(03-18-2015 07:32 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(03-18-2015 07:28 PM)ODUChm Wrote:  

(03-18-2015 07:05 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  I'm sorry but this story is just complete bull****. Yes, perhaps this player was worried about head injuries but so is EVERY player. Just look at the situation in the 49er camp. This guy probably wanted to get traded away, much like many other players there. The older guys have the easy excuse of retirement. This guy though, he must have zero belief in the new "Yes Man" regime at San Fran and they much be rigidly against trading any of these guys away.

The General Manager at San Fran needs to be fired ASAP or we may see the 49er brand drop to a level of obscurity equal to that of their rivals across the bay.

I think your hypothesis is complete bull****. Youre telling me a 24 year old after his rookie season wanted to be traded, and instead of going public about the demand, he chose to walk away from the money in his contract and any future earnings, then on top of that lied and claimed he was walking away in his inital statement and subsequent interviews due to the possibility of concussions and CTE?

Theres a lot assumptions you are making in that statement, where as the acutal reason requires no assumptions other than trusting his word. So occam's razor would tell us he quit out of fear of concussions.

Oh please, everyone uses Occam's razor now as part of their "explanation". Unfortunately you are not looking at the bigger picture of all the "retirements" and free agents that refuse to resign with the 49ers. So I am sorry but you are just ignorant. You have horse blinders on and are only seeing one issue amongst a Sea of connected issues that actually makes up the bigger picture. How about that Razor?


If the 49er camp wasn't so ****** up right now, he wouldn't be quitting. His defensive line is going to be terrible and their linebacker leader just retired too.

So you are the type that believes bull**** excuses, good to know.

Occam Razor has nothing to due with my explanation, I have no explanation. All occam's razor states is among competing hyptohesis the one that claims the least amount assumptions is generally the correct one.

Your assumptions:
1. He wanted to be traded
2. He chose to remain private about those demands
3. He chose to retire because he couldn't be traded
4. He lied, and used CTE as an excuse

Everyone elses assumptions:
1. He is telling the truth

The simplest explanation is usually the correct one

Do you have any proof that he wanted to be traded?
Why didn't he go public and hold out?
Why did he choose to lie about his reason for retiring?

(03-18-2015 07:41 PM)ODUChm Wrote:  

(03-18-2015 07:32 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(03-18-2015 07:28 PM)ODUChm Wrote:  

(03-18-2015 07:05 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  I'm sorry but this story is just complete bull****. Yes, perhaps this player was worried about head injuries but so is EVERY player. Just look at the situation in the 49er camp. This guy probably wanted to get traded away, much like many other players there. The older guys have the easy excuse of retirement. This guy though, he must have zero belief in the new "Yes Man" regime at San Fran and they much be rigidly against trading any of these guys away.

The General Manager at San Fran needs to be fired ASAP or we may see the 49er brand drop to a level of obscurity equal to that of their rivals across the bay.

I think your hypothesis is complete bull****. Youre telling me a 24 year old after his rookie season wanted to be traded, and instead of going public about the demand, he chose to walk away from the money in his contract and any future earnings, then on top of that lied and claimed he was walking away in his inital statement and subsequent interviews due to the possibility of concussions and CTE?

Theres a lot assumptions you are making in that statement, where as the acutal reason requires no assumptions other than trusting his word. So occam's razor would tell us he quit out of fear of concussions.

Oh please, everyone uses Occam's razor now as part of their "explanation". Unfortunately you are not looking at the bigger picture of all the "retirements" and free agents that refuse to resign with the 49ers. So I am sorry but you are just ignorant. You have horse blinders on and are only seeing one issue amongst a Sea of connected issues that actually makes up the bigger picture. How about that Razor?


If the 49er camp wasn't so ****** up right now, he wouldn't be quitting. His defensive line is going to be terrible and their linebacker leader just retired too.

So you are the type that believes bull**** excuses, good to know.

Occam Razor has nothing to due with my explanation, I have no explanation. All occam's razor states is among competing hyptohesis the one that claims the least amount assumptions is generally the correct one.

Your assumptions:
1. He wanted to be traded
2. He chose to remain private about those demands
3. He chose to retire because he couldn't be traded
4. He lied, and used CTE as an excuse

Everyone elses assumptions:
1. He is telling the truth

The simplest explanation is usually the correct one

Do you have any proof that he wanted to be traded?
Why didn't he go public and hold out?
Why did he choose to lie about his reason for retiring?

No, the simplest explanation isn't usually the correct one. It is just the one sold to the simple minds, as is "Occam's Razor". To see people like you use Occam's Razor in such a way is amusing at best. That concept isn't even relevant in a situation where you don't know what you are talking about and I do. You hold onto the simple explanation because it is simple and you understand it. Someone like me comes along with something more "complicated" and simply because it is more "complicated" you say that makes it unlikely to be true.

It is sad how the movie Idiocracy truly is becoming prophetic in nature.

Do I have proof? What do you want me to give you? A taped recording of him in his talks with the General Manager? How the hell is a player with only one year of experience supposed to "hold out"? Why would he lie? Maybe because telling the truth would get him blacklisted?

Seriously man, just sit back and take notes instead of trying to act like you know what you are doing here.

(03-18-2015 07:44 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(03-18-2015 07:41 PM)ODUChm Wrote:  

(03-18-2015 07:32 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(03-18-2015 07:28 PM)ODUChm Wrote:  

(03-18-2015 07:05 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  I'm sorry but this story is just complete bull****. Yes, perhaps this player was worried about head injuries but so is EVERY player. Just look at the situation in the 49er camp. This guy probably wanted to get traded away, much like many other players there. The older guys have the easy excuse of retirement. This guy though, he must have zero belief in the new "Yes Man" regime at San Fran and they much be rigidly against trading any of these guys away.

The General Manager at San Fran needs to be fired ASAP or we may see the 49er brand drop to a level of obscurity equal to that of their rivals across the bay.

I think your hypothesis is complete bull****. Youre telling me a 24 year old after his rookie season wanted to be traded, and instead of going public about the demand, he chose to walk away from the money in his contract and any future earnings, then on top of that lied and claimed he was walking away in his inital statement and subsequent interviews due to the possibility of concussions and CTE?

Theres a lot assumptions you are making in that statement, where as the acutal reason requires no assumptions other than trusting his word. So occam's razor would tell us he quit out of fear of concussions.

Oh please, everyone uses Occam's razor now as part of their "explanation". Unfortunately you are not looking at the bigger picture of all the "retirements" and free agents that refuse to resign with the 49ers. So I am sorry but you are just ignorant. You have horse blinders on and are only seeing one issue amongst a Sea of connected issues that actually makes up the bigger picture. How about that Razor?


If the 49er camp wasn't so ****** up right now, he wouldn't be quitting. His defensive line is going to be terrible and their linebacker leader just retired too.

So you are the type that believes bull**** excuses, good to know.

Occam Razor has nothing to due with my explanation, I have no explanation. All occam's razor states is among competing hyptohesis the one that claims the least amount assumptions is generally the correct one.

Your assumptions:
1. He wanted to be traded
2. He chose to remain private about those demands
3. He chose to retire because he couldn't be traded
4. He lied, and used CTE as an excuse

Everyone elses assumptions:
1. He is telling the truth

The simplest explanation is usually the correct one

Do you have any proof that he wanted to be traded?
Why didn't he go public and hold out?
Why did he choose to lie about his reason for retiring?

No, the simplest explanation isn't usually the correct one. It is just the one sold to the simple minds, as is "Occam's Razor". To see people like you use Occam's Razor in such a way is amusing at best. That concept isn't even relevant in a situation where you don't know what you are talking about and I do. You hold onto the simple explanation because it is simple and you understand it. Someone like me comes along with something more "complicated" and simply because it is more "complicated" you say that makes it unlikely to be true.

It is sad how the movie Idiocracy truly is becoming prophetic in nature.

Do I have proof? What do you want me to give you? A taped recording of him in his talks with the General Manager. How the hell is a player with only one year of experience supposed to "hold out"? Why would he lie? Maybe because telling the truth would get him blacklisted?

Seriously man, just sit back and take notes instead of trying to act like you know what you are doing here.

So now your adding assumptions to your assumptions.
Players hold at all the time, blacklisted? This isnt 1898 in a factory town.

And as a rookie why would he quit when he has his whole career ahead of him, just because the team may suck? Why wouldnt he just finish out his current contract, build up his stats, then head to a winning team?

All you've done is create a bunch of assumptions in yourhead then connected the dots, because you can't accept that a player that young would retire out of his fear of head trauma. And when called out about those assumptions you respond with insults.

Simple minds dont use occam's razor, they make things more complicated, just go ask a 5 year old why the sun comes up.

The kind of people who regularly need to apply occam's razor are engineers, mathematicians, philosophers, scientist, etc. I wouldn't classify any of those as simple minds. Now go ask one them why the sun comes up. Their[/b] answer will be straight forward and correct.

Actually I havn't but if you have to tell yourself all this in order to keep your "simple" definition of reality then by all means Mr. Idiocracy, you do that.

Yes, I am insulting you personally. Why? Because you deserve it. You havn't done your homework about what is going on with the 49ers. I have.

Nice try with the creative sentence about 5 year olds but just like the rest of your boring drivel, it is meaningless in the conversation. It is amusing though to watch you talk about me insulting you while at the same time trying to compare me to a 5 year old. Your statement is wrong though. Smart folks don't just leap to a simple explanation that is fed to them.

The Sun coming up has nothing to do with how messed up the 49ers are right now and how no one wants to be there except for people like Dockett that want to get revenge against the team that let him go. Unfortunately he is going to get steamrolled twice a year by the team that let him go because the 49ers are a wreck and he let his anger and desire for revenge get the best of him.


As I said already, you are clueless in this conversation. You are trying hard to say a bunch of things that bear zero relevancy to the conversation in order to show that you are the sharper wit but really you are just making my Idiocracy comment more relevant by the sentence.

It is an issue...Woriolds, Locker and now this...3 Young Stars Quitting...not to mention what is currently happening to Hall of Fame RB Tony Dorsett-(has CTE) and Junior Seau:

“I’ve thought about what I could accomplish in football, but for me personally, when you read about Mike Webster and Dave Duerson and Ray Easterling, you read all these stories and to be the type of player I want to be in football, I think I’d have to take on some risks that as a person I don’t want to take on,” Borland told ESPN.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/dandiamond/2...y-the-nfl/

(03-18-2015 08:05 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  Actually I havn't but if you have to tell yourself all this in order to keep your "simple" definition of reality then by all means Mr. Idiocracy, you do that.

Yes, I am insulting you personally. Why? Because you deserve it. You havn't done your homework about what is going on with the 49ers. I have.

Nice try with the creative sentence about 5 year olds but just like the rest of your boring drivel, it is meaningless in the conversation. It is amusing though to watch you talk about me insulting you while at the same time trying to compare me to a 5 year old. Your statement is wrong though. Smart folks don't just leap to a simple explanation that is fed to them.

The Sun coming up has nothing to do with how messed up the 49ers are right now and how no one wants to be there except for people like Dockett that want to get revenge against the team that let him go. Unfortunately he is going to get steamrolled twice a year by the team that let him go because the 49ers are a wreck and he let his anger and desire for revenge get the best of him.


As I said already, you are clueless in this conversation. You are trying hard to say a bunch of things that bear zero relevancy to the conversation in order to show that you are the sharper wit but really you are just making my Idiocracy comment more relevant by the sentence.

I don't need to know what is going on with the 49ers, because it doesnt matter. He quit out of fear of head trauma.

Again I will ask:
If he is not happy with the direction of the 49ers, why didn't he demand a trade or at the very least finish up his contract then become a free agent?

If he quit and walked away from the sport because of the issues facing the 49ers why didnt he tell us he quit for that reason?

Why did he feel the need to lie?

Why did he feel the need in his lie to use and exploit a real problem/concern facing the NFL: football causes head trauma or the perception that football causes head trauma, depending how you look at it.

You shouldn't have to insult a person when debating, if your position is credible it should stand on it owns. But because its filled with assumptions that require more assumptions to answer the question that arise from them, its not a credible position. Its just speculation.

The remarkable this is his Peers on the 49ers and around the league applaud his decision...Scott Fuijta almost did the same but said in his own words he "Chickened Out"

As usual, former New Orleans Saints and Cleveland Browns linebacker Scott Fujita weighed in with some compelling insight in the wake of San Francisco 49ers linebacker Chris Borland's surprising decision to retire at age 24.

Fujita told the MMQB's Peter King that he also considered retiring after he suffered a concussion during the Saints' Super Bowl win against the Indianapolis Colts in February 2010 -- but he "chickened out."

"A week or so before free agency, everything cleared up, I felt good, and I realized I still wanted to play," said Fujita, who went on to sign a lucrative contract with the Browns and play three more seasons that were hampered by various injuries. "You think you've got one last chance for a bite at the apple, and you feel good enough, and you figure you should take it.

http://espn.go.com/blog/new-orleans-sain...is-borland

(03-18-2015 09:08 PM)ODUChm Wrote:  

(03-18-2015 08:05 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  Actually I havn't but if you have to tell yourself all this in order to keep your "simple" definition of reality then by all means Mr. Idiocracy, you do that.

Yes, I am insulting you personally. Why? Because you deserve it. You havn't done your homework about what is going on with the 49ers. I have.

Nice try with the creative sentence about 5 year olds but just like the rest of your boring drivel, it is meaningless in the conversation. It is amusing though to watch you talk about me insulting you while at the same time trying to compare me to a 5 year old. Your statement is wrong though. Smart folks don't just leap to a simple explanation that is fed to them.

The Sun coming up has nothing to do with how messed up the 49ers are right now and how no one wants to be there except for people like Dockett that want to get revenge against the team that let him go. Unfortunately he is going to get steamrolled twice a year by the team that let him go because the 49ers are a wreck and he let his anger and desire for revenge get the best of him.


As I said already, you are clueless in this conversation. You are trying hard to say a bunch of things that bear zero relevancy to the conversation in order to show that you are the sharper wit but really you are just making my Idiocracy comment more relevant by the sentence.

I don't need to know what is going on with the 49ers, because it doesnt matter. He quit out of fear of head trauma.

Again I will ask:
If he is not happy with the direction of the 49ers, why didn't he demand a trade or at the very least finish up his contract then become a free agent?

If he quit and walked away from the sport because of the issues facing the 49ers why didnt he tell us he quit for that reason?

Why did he feel the need to lie?

Why did he feel the need in his lie to use and exploit a real problem/concern facing the NFL: football causes head trauma or the perception that football causes head trauma, depending how you look at it.

You shouldn't have to insult a person when debating, if your position is credible it should stand on it owns. But because its filled with assumptions that require more assumptions to answer the question that arise from them, its not a credible position. Its just speculation.

I have already answered your questions previously but if you are too dull to realize such then I am not responsible for slowing down for you. If you realize such but are purposefully repeating the questions to try and portray that I haven't responded then that too is reason for me to simply roll my eyes at you.

You are insulting me right now by saying my point isn't credible and stands on it's own. Perhaps it doesn't in your feeble mind but that isn't my problem. Me calling your mind feeble isn't an insult by the way, it is just a simple scientific statement considering your inability to follow.

Have fun being simple and thinking everything is simple. You are boring me though.

(03-18-2015 09:12 PM)Maize Wrote:  The remarkable this is his Peers on the 49ers and around the league applaud his decision...Scott Fuijta almost did the same but said in his own words he "Chickened Out"

As usual, former New Orleans Saints and Cleveland Browns linebacker Scott Fujita weighed in with some compelling insight in the wake of San Francisco 49ers linebacker Chris Borland's surprising decision to retire at age 24.

Fujita told the MMQB's Peter King that he also considered retiring after he suffered a concussion during the Saints' Super Bowl win against the Indianapolis Colts in February 2010 -- but he "chickened out."

"A week or so before free agency, everything cleared up, I felt good, and I realized I still wanted to play," said Fujita, who went on to sign a lucrative contract with the Browns and play three more seasons that were hampered by various injuries. "You think you've got one last chance for a bite at the apple, and you feel good enough, and you figure you should take it.

http://espn.go.com/blog/new-orleans-sain...is-borland

Lots of guys think about it. That isn't news. The fact that this guy is actually doing it is news. The real story is why he is though. For people to think this has nothing to do with the mudpit that is the 49ers are either foolish or entirely dependent upon being told such by an officially sanctioned parrot.

All the locker room leaders of The 49ers are either retiring or making it clear they wont resign with The 49ers.

That ODU guy only looks at life as a series of individual events. He thinks nothing is connected. I know you are not that simple Maize.

(03-18-2015 09:47 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(03-18-2015 09:12 PM)Maize Wrote:  The remarkable this is his Peers on the 49ers and around the league applaud his decision...Scott Fuijta almost did the same but said in his own words he "Chickened Out"

As usual, former New Orleans Saints and Cleveland Browns linebacker Scott Fujita weighed in with some compelling insight in the wake of San Francisco 49ers linebacker Chris Borland's surprising decision to retire at age 24.

Fujita told the MMQB's Peter King that he also considered retiring after he suffered a concussion during the Saints' Super Bowl win against the Indianapolis Colts in February 2010 -- but he "chickened out."

"A week or so before free agency, everything cleared up, I felt good, and I realized I still wanted to play," said Fujita, who went on to sign a lucrative contract with the Browns and play three more seasons that were hampered by various injuries. "You think you've got one last chance for a bite at the apple, and you feel good enough, and you figure you should take it.

http://espn.go.com/blog/new-orleans-sain...is-borland

Lots of guys think about it. That isn't news. The fact that this guy is actually doing it is news. The real story is why he is though. For people to think this has nothing to do with the mudpit that is the 49ers are either foolish or entirely dependent upon being told such by an officially sanctioned parrot.

All the locker room leaders of The 49ers are either retiring or making it clear they wont resign with The 49ers.

That ODU guy only looks at life as a series of individual events. He thinks nothing is connected. I know you are not that simple Maize.

Maybe...but the issue is now it came with and the Retirement of Worilds-(maybe the reason was different from Borland he still walked away from at least $15 Million Guaranteed) but still shocking and Locker...that and the new information that is out there it is a shot across at the Sport of Football at the NFL Level and the College Level.

(03-18-2015 09:43 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(03-18-2015 09:08 PM)ODUChm Wrote:  

(03-18-2015 08:05 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  Actually I havn't but if you have to tell yourself all this in order to keep your "simple" definition of reality then by all means Mr. Idiocracy, you do that.

Yes, I am insulting you personally. Why? Because you deserve it. You havn't done your homework about what is going on with the 49ers. I have.

Nice try with the creative sentence about 5 year olds but just like the rest of your boring drivel, it is meaningless in the conversation. It is amusing though to watch you talk about me insulting you while at the same time trying to compare me to a 5 year old. Your statement is wrong though. Smart folks don't just leap to a simple explanation that is fed to them.

The Sun coming up has nothing to do with how messed up the 49ers are right now and how no one wants to be there except for people like Dockett that want to get revenge against the team that let him go. Unfortunately he is going to get steamrolled twice a year by the team that let him go because the 49ers are a wreck and he let his anger and desire for revenge get the best of him.


As I said already, you are clueless in this conversation. You are trying hard to say a bunch of things that bear zero relevancy to the conversation in order to show that you are the sharper wit but really you are just making my Idiocracy comment more relevant by the sentence.

I don't need to know what is going on with the 49ers, because it doesnt matter. He quit out of fear of head trauma.

Again I will ask:
If he is not happy with the direction of the 49ers, why didn't he demand a trade or at the very least finish up his contract then become a free agent?

If he quit and walked away from the sport because of the issues facing the 49ers why didnt he tell us he quit for that reason?

Why did he feel the need to lie?

Why did he feel the need in his lie to use and exploit a real problem/concern facing the NFL: football causes head trauma or the perception that football causes head trauma, depending how you look at it.

You shouldn't have to insult a person when debating, if your position is credible it should stand on it owns. But because its filled with assumptions that require more assumptions to answer the question that arise from them, its not a credible position. Its just speculation.

I have already answered your questions previously but if you are too dull to realize such then I am not responsible for slowing down for you. If you realize such but are purposefully repeating the questions to try and portray that I haven't responded then that too is reason for me to simply roll my eyes at you.

You are insulting me right now by saying my point isn't credible and stands on it's own. Perhaps it doesn't in your feeble mind but that isn't my problem. Me calling your mind feeble isn't an insult by the way, it is just a simple scientific statement considering your inability to follow.

Have fun being simple and thinking everything is simple. You are boring me though.

Im not insulting you by attacking your position, thats what you do when you debate, you attack and take apart the other persons argument. I haven't called you stupid, or simple, Mr. Idiocracy, nor do I think youre any of that.

What I have done is called you out on your speculation that is without base, but we don't need to speculate because we've heard from the man himself why he retired. So not only are you speculating, you're questioning the man's integrity, without any credible evidence to back up that accusation.

Borland was just on CNN bashing the NFL. He is a brain injury expert and says neurolgists don't understand what he understands.


The dude appears to have an agenda and has started his press tour.

If he doesn't have an agenda...than he is a willing pawn of the NPR ban football crowd... I just love progressive amerika.

(03-18-2015 09:08 PM)ODUChm Wrote:  

(03-18-2015 08:05 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  Actually I havn't but if you have to tell yourself all this in order to keep your "simple" definition of reality then by all means Mr. Idiocracy, you do that.

Yes, I am insulting you personally. Why? Because you deserve it. You havn't done your homework about what is going on with the 49ers. I have.

Nice try with the creative sentence about 5 year olds but just like the rest of your boring drivel, it is meaningless in the conversation. It is amusing though to watch you talk about me insulting you while at the same time trying to compare me to a 5 year old. Your statement is wrong though. Smart folks don't just leap to a simple explanation that is fed to them.

The Sun coming up has nothing to do with how messed up the 49ers are right now and how no one wants to be there except for people like Dockett that want to get revenge against the team that let him go. Unfortunately he is going to get steamrolled twice a year by the team that let him go because the 49ers are a wreck and he let his anger and desire for revenge get the best of him.


As I said already, you are clueless in this conversation. You are trying hard to say a bunch of things that bear zero relevancy to the conversation in order to show that you are the sharper wit but really you are just making my Idiocracy comment more relevant by the sentence.

I don't need to know what is going on with the 49ers, because it doesnt matter. He quit out of fear of head trauma.

Again I will ask:
If he is not happy with the direction of the 49ers, why didn't he demand a trade or at the very least finish up his contract then become a free agent?

If he quit and walked away from the sport because of the issues facing the 49ers why didnt he tell us he quit for that reason?

Why did he feel the need to lie?

Why did he feel the need in his lie to use and exploit a real problem/concern facing the NFL: football causes head trauma or the perception that football causes head trauma, depending how you look at it.

You shouldn't have to insult a person when debating, if your position is credible it should stand on it owns. But because its filled with assumptions that require more assumptions to answer the question that arise from them, its not a credible position. Its just speculation.

Borland quit. I don't know his motives. I know his stated motives... big difference.

(03-19-2015 09:11 AM)ODUChm Wrote:  

(03-18-2015 09:43 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(03-18-2015 09:08 PM)ODUChm Wrote:  

(03-18-2015 08:05 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  Actually I havn't but if you have to tell yourself all this in order to keep your "simple" definition of reality then by all means Mr. Idiocracy, you do that.

Yes, I am insulting you personally. Why? Because you deserve it. You havn't done your homework about what is going on with the 49ers. I have.

Nice try with the creative sentence about 5 year olds but just like the rest of your boring drivel, it is meaningless in the conversation. It is amusing though to watch you talk about me insulting you while at the same time trying to compare me to a 5 year old. Your statement is wrong though. Smart folks don't just leap to a simple explanation that is fed to them.

The Sun coming up has nothing to do with how messed up the 49ers are right now and how no one wants to be there except for people like Dockett that want to get revenge against the team that let him go. Unfortunately he is going to get steamrolled twice a year by the team that let him go because the 49ers are a wreck and he let his anger and desire for revenge get the best of him.


As I said already, you are clueless in this conversation. You are trying hard to say a bunch of things that bear zero relevancy to the conversation in order to show that you are the sharper wit but really you are just making my Idiocracy comment more relevant by the sentence.

I don't need to know what is going on with the 49ers, because it doesnt matter. He quit out of fear of head trauma.

Again I will ask:
If he is not happy with the direction of the 49ers, why didn't he demand a trade or at the very least finish up his contract then become a free agent?

If he quit and walked away from the sport because of the issues facing the 49ers why didnt he tell us he quit for that reason?

Why did he feel the need to lie?

Why did he feel the need in his lie to use and exploit a real problem/concern facing the NFL: football causes head trauma or the perception that football causes head trauma, depending how you look at it.

You shouldn't have to insult a person when debating, if your position is credible it should stand on it owns. But because its filled with assumptions that require more assumptions to answer the question that arise from them, its not a credible position. Its just speculation.

I have already answered your questions previously but if you are too dull to realize such then I am not responsible for slowing down for you. If you realize such but are purposefully repeating the questions to try and portray that I haven't responded then that too is reason for me to simply roll my eyes at you.

You are insulting me right now by saying my point isn't credible and stands on it's own. Perhaps it doesn't in your feeble mind but that isn't my problem. Me calling your mind feeble isn't an insult by the way, it is just a simple scientific statement considering your inability to follow.

Have fun being simple and thinking everything is simple. You are boring me though.

Im not insulting you by attacking your position, thats what you do when you debate, you attack and take apart the other persons argument. I haven't called you stupid, or simple, Mr. Idiocracy, nor do I think youre any of that.

What I have done is called you out on your speculation that is without base, but we don't need to speculate because we've heard from the man himself why he retired. So not only are you speculating, you're questioning the man's integrity, without any credible evidence to back up that accusation.

Yes, I am attacking him in regards to whether or not he is telling us everything. More often than not, we are not told everything. If this was just an anomalous event then I wouldn't be saying what I am saying alright? There isn't just smoke coming from the 49er camp, it is an outright raging inferno.

So, that makes it much more easy for a guy to "make a stand" such as what this Borland guy is doing. There are other guys who feel the same way he does but don't go on a crusade. Why? Because they aren't angry. This guy is angry and it isn't necessarily head protection that causes his internal fire to set off. This guy was just a rookie last year right and he is going off on a crusade? He could easily finish his rookie contract, get the real money and then go on such a crusade when his name means more and people will care what he has to say.

Right now he is just a quitter leaving a team that is in shambles. He doesn't want to say that though, he wants to look good in this so San Fran will let him go. If he was to state his actual intentions, as I propose, then he would be immediately blacklisted. Having only been in the league for one year, he is expected to finish out his rookie contract and that is an expectation that ALL of the teams would expect of him. So yes, he needs an excuse.

(03-18-2015 10:18 AM)Maize Wrote:  He made more money in Hollywood as an Actor then as a Cleveland Brown.

Indeed.

No sane person would choose professional football, given the choice between that or some other career that causes no physical abuse to their body yet makes the same amount of money.

(03-18-2015 10:28 AM)ODUChm Wrote:  And why is that?

Maurice Clarrett, of all people, had some very though provoking tweets on that very subject. He argued that for many players they've been conditioned all their lives to only know football as the way to succeed, and everything else (aka a college education) is something you have to get through in order to succeed (as opposed to football being the catalyst for a college education).

It's no different from any other average Joe who isn't qualified to do much: they didn't care about formal schooling and they didn't take advantage of vocational opportunities.

It's also very possible they could have diagnosed learning impediments and were just passed along.

I think he is telling the truth and there is no ulterior motive here. In the interviews, his reasons are well thought out and reasoned. Seems like the straightforward "what you see is what you get type". I like how he isn't on a soapbox telling others what to do, other than get all the information they can to make an informed decision about their future.

(03-19-2015 10:30 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(03-18-2015 10:18 AM)Maize Wrote:  He made more money in Hollywood as an Actor then as a Cleveland Brown.

Indeed.

No sane person would choose professional football, given the choice between that or some other career that causes no physical abuse to their body yet makes the same amount of money.

Yeah but this guy was already there. Just a couple more years and he could have gotten a great contract. There was a lot of buzz about that guy. He already put in the high school work and college work to get to that point. What other option does he have to get any amount of money that is relatively similar?

He isn't famous yet, although he sure seems willing to try, so he cant garner big money elsewhere.

(03-18-2015 09:47 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  Lots of guys think about it. That isn't news. The fact that this guy is actually doing it is news. The real story is why he is though. For people to think this has nothing to do with the mudpit that is the 49ers are either foolish or entirely dependent upon being told such by an officially sanctioned parrot.

All the locker room leaders of The 49ers are either retiring or making it clear they wont resign with The 49ers.

That ODU guy only looks at life as a series of individual events. He thinks nothing is connected. I know you are not that simple Maize.

If the 49ers were looking to be a championship organization this season, with Harbaugh still the coach - would Borland still have retired?

Undoubtedly yes.

He's walking away from millions of dollars in contract money alone, not to mention endorsements and the fame that goes along with all of that, along with accolades like Pro-Bowls and who knows what else.

At least he's bringing attention to something that needs to be brought out in the public, on his way out. He could've just kept quiet and retired for "personal reasons", but he's being a whistle blower.

Guy deserves a medal.

(03-19-2015 09:26 AM)No Bull Wrote:  Borland was just on CNN bashing the NFL. He is a brain injury expert and says neurolgists don't understand what he understands.


The dude appears to have an agenda and has started his press tour.

If he doesn't have an agenda...than he is a willing pawn of the NPR ban football crowd... I just love progressive amerika.

Plenty of NPR listeners and progressives have no wish for a ban on American Football.

There will be no more discussion on this. Thanks.