(03-15-2015 07:45 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(03-15-2015 06:45 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  

(03-15-2015 06:30 PM)RaiderRed Wrote:  

(03-15-2015 06:25 PM)Cnelson203 Wrote:  

(03-15-2015 05:23 PM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  The little schools are getting robbed! They are matching up the mid-majors with each other. I am starting to disassociate myself with college athletics. It would be easier if I had friends/or liked the social life.

Hey,my team deserves nothing in basketball, so this isn't personal sour grapes, but surely you have come to the conclusion by now that the big boys are trying to destroy the G5. It seems more and more obvious to me.

It is obvious and it is the right choice. The G5 are free to schedule their own tourney and lets see how many watch it. Fans and money matter and if you have neither-- don't cry.

Umm.....UCONN has many fans, many more than whatever crap school you root for. They had money, but the P5 are trying their damndest to take that away, and they're on the outside. While sh*t P5 schools get handies from the committee and losers like you.

You had a home court advantage and couldn't get it done...The NIT made you a 4 seed...I'd say there were quite a few schools ahead of you. UConn killed themselves with their awful run midseason.

That's not even remotely my point. Congrats on taking an opportunity to get your shots in on UCONN and their fans, though. 3 years in the P5 and you act as arrogantly as the clown I put on blast.

(03-15-2015 07:41 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(03-15-2015 06:41 PM)ODUChm Wrote:  

(03-15-2015 06:28 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(03-15-2015 06:25 PM)ODUChm Wrote:  It seems odd that the committee would have a bias towards the p5 schools when you consider the committee is mostly reps from mid majors schools/conferences, so if there is a conspiracy the other conferences are in on it.

To be in on it all you have to be is an academic leader at a G5 or lower who wants a promotion. Being a faculty officer is an upwardly mobile condition. If you play the game in a manner that appeals to larger state schools, and more importantly their political allies, you win.

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

'So Mr. Smith you've been an admiinistrator for he past 20 years at Murray State, what can you add by being a member of UCLA?'

'Well sir I always made sure to select UCLA in the NCAA tourney over my own school'

'HIRED!!!!'

Yah, I dont think it works like that, thats a pretty big assumption that counter the initial idea that the committee picks the best 36 at larges based on resume.

If there was a conspiracy against mid majors, then Iona wouldnt have gotten in a coupe years ago, VCU wouldnt have been picked in 2011, GMU and Air Force in 06. Those are just the most notable midmajor bubble teams getting picked, Im sure theres a few more Im forgetting. And most certainly Virginia Tech would have been on the right side of the bubble all those years.

As you can tell by my screen name Im a mid major fan, and a fan of a team that was on the bubble, and I really wanted them in, but when I compared their rpi, sagarin, bpi, and kenpom ratings I just couldnt pick them as in, and using those 4 ratings is how I picked my field this year, and out of the 36 teams I picked, the NCAA agreed on 36 of those.

When I was breaking it down, I was a little surprised that UCLA was in my top 36 (I think I had them at 32 out of 36) but I just couldnt ignore their numbers compared to the other bubble teams. I thought it was a risky pick but evidently the committee agreed. Either that or all those metrics are also in on the conspiracy.

Famous quotes by P.T. Barnum come to mind.

Ill take a Carl Sagan quote over a PT Barnum any day of the week

(03-15-2015 07:50 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  

(03-15-2015 07:45 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(03-15-2015 06:45 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  

(03-15-2015 06:30 PM)RaiderRed Wrote:  

(03-15-2015 06:25 PM)Cnelson203 Wrote:  Hey,my team deserves nothing in basketball, so this isn't personal sour grapes, but surely you have come to the conclusion by now that the big boys are trying to destroy the G5. It seems more and more obvious to me.

It is obvious and it is the right choice. The G5 are free to schedule their own tourney and lets see how many watch it. Fans and money matter and if you have neither-- don't cry.

Umm.....UCONN has many fans, many more than whatever crap school you root for. They had money, but the P5 are trying their damndest to take that away, and they're on the outside. While sh*t P5 schools get handies from the committee and losers like you.

You had a home court advantage and couldn't get it done...The NIT made you a 4 seed...I'd say there were quite a few schools ahead of you. UConn killed themselves with their awful run midseason.

That's not even remotely my point. Congrats on taking an opportunity to get your shots in on UCONN and their fans, though. 3 years in the P5 and you act as arrogantly as the clown I put on blast.

You are like a 2 year old lashing out at everyone and everything...

Where did I take a shot at UConn and their fans in the this thread?
You guys had too big a hole dug...you had to win it all.

(03-15-2015 07:14 PM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  I kind of thought Texas had the number of shots versus top RPI squads that would make it too hard to overlook them, even if they were duds in most of them. Their inclusion would have also validated their conference's place as the top one in terms of RPI. It's UCLA, BYU, Indiana, and Ole Miss that really make this field blow.

Oddly enough, called Ohio State getting a low seed. Strangely, one of the few they got right.

One could say UNI may have deserved a little more love (probably one of the toughest 12-seed draws, would that make them one of the weakest 5's?)...I always liked where the 5-line was, and between a well-disciplined UNI team and a Louisville squad who looks like they're close to rudderless, they've got a shot. Villanova-UNI could be an amazing game, two very well disciplined teams. Villanova hasn't seen that kind of discipline in their conference play...hope they're ready for that.

Texas did ok in those games, but I thought they would miss because they slumped at the end of the season and were 8-10 in conference. Thought they needed 2 wins in the Big 12 tourney.

I thought there was some chance SEC ends up with 2 teams. LSU and Ole Miss got upset in the conference tourney. Georgia's best win all season was Ole Miss. Don't think they beat anyone else in the tourney.

(03-15-2015 07:54 PM)ODUChm Wrote:  

(03-15-2015 07:41 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(03-15-2015 06:41 PM)ODUChm Wrote:  

(03-15-2015 06:28 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(03-15-2015 06:25 PM)ODUChm Wrote:  It seems odd that the committee would have a bias towards the p5 schools when you consider the committee is mostly reps from mid majors schools/conferences, so if there is a conspiracy the other conferences are in on it.

To be in on it all you have to be is an academic leader at a G5 or lower who wants a promotion. Being a faculty officer is an upwardly mobile condition. If you play the game in a manner that appeals to larger state schools, and more importantly their political allies, you win.

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

'So Mr. Smith you've been an admiinistrator for he past 20 years at Murray State, what can you add by being a member of UCLA?'

'Well sir I always made sure to select UCLA in the NCAA tourney over my own school'

'HIRED!!!!'

Yah, I dont think it works like that, thats a pretty big assumption that counter the initial idea that the committee picks the best 36 at larges based on resume.

If there was a conspiracy against mid majors, then Iona wouldnt have gotten in a coupe years ago, VCU wouldnt have been picked in 2011, GMU and Air Force in 06. Those are just the most notable midmajor bubble teams getting picked, Im sure theres a few more Im forgetting. And most certainly Virginia Tech would have been on the right side of the bubble all those years.

As you can tell by my screen name Im a mid major fan, and a fan of a team that was on the bubble, and I really wanted them in, but when I compared their rpi, sagarin, bpi, and kenpom ratings I just couldnt pick them as in, and using those 4 ratings is how I picked my field this year, and out of the 36 teams I picked, the NCAA agreed on 36 of those.

When I was breaking it down, I was a little surprised that UCLA was in my top 36 (I think I had them at 32 out of 36) but I just couldnt ignore their numbers compared to the other bubble teams. I thought it was a risky pick but evidently the committee agreed. Either that or all those metrics are also in on the conspiracy.

Famous quotes by P.T. Barnum come to mind.

Ill take a Carl Sagan quote over a PT Barnum any day of the week

Okay, "Somewhere, something incredible is waiting to be known." But, until then, "A sucker is born every minute."

So what's this BPI thing? Or: is this BPI thing anything other than the ESPN-designed nonsense number with a secret methodology designed to fudge things in a certain direction that it appears to be?

(03-15-2015 08:13 PM)justinslot Wrote:  So what's this BPI thing? Or: is this BPI thing anything other than the ESPN-designed nonsense number with a secret methodology designed to fudge things in a certain direction that it appears to be?

It's so secret the four-letter network wrote an article to explain it:

http://m.espn.go.com/ncb/story?storyId=7...rc=desktop

A 16 seed will win a game this year. Book it:




This is not a signature

- Georgetown a 4 seed?
- Dayton a home game for the play-in?
- Manhattan team #67?


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(03-15-2015 08:30 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  

(03-15-2015 08:13 PM)justinslot Wrote:  So what's this BPI thing? Or: is this BPI thing anything other than the ESPN-designed nonsense number with a secret methodology designed to fudge things in a certain direction that it appears to be?

It's so secret the four-letter network wrote an article to explain it:

http://m.espn.go.com/ncb/story?storyId=7...rc=desktop

http://btn.com/2013/03/05/big-ten-geeks-...pi-please/

Like the 5th link when you google bpi espn methodology.

Oh hey I should go to page 2 of the google results:

http://netprophetblog.blogspot.com/2014/...index.html

There's some secret sauce in this hoagie.

(03-15-2015 08:30 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  

(03-15-2015 08:13 PM)justinslot Wrote:  So what's this BPI thing? Or: is this BPI thing anything other than the ESPN-designed nonsense number with a secret methodology designed to fudge things in a certain direction that it appears to be?

It's so secret the four-letter network wrote an article to explain it:

http://m.espn.go.com/ncb/story?storyId=7...rc=desktop

It's ESPN tying in statistics and analytics with water-cooler talk, and they jam it down you like it's a legit stat. The most embarrassing part is when they try to legitimize it when talking to other coaches.

"Do you think because you didn't have <>, you should get more consideration?"
"Do you think that because you beat <> by <>, you should be considered..."

After a year like this, who knows. The committee disregarded numbers and logic for selfish gains. This stat might as well be as good as any...

(03-15-2015 06:22 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(03-15-2015 05:59 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  

(03-15-2015 05:53 PM)stever20 Wrote:  Temple got knocked out by Wyoming.

Rough year for the AAC. Finishes third in G5 rankings and only gets two in compared to six for BE and four for A10.

A10 only got 3 in, not 4. And if UConn had won, it would have been AAC 3 A10 2(Dayton last team in).

Come on Stever, you know better than that. While it's true had UCONN won the score would have been 3-2 AAC, that's not because the committee felt the AAC deserved three, but rather were forced to put them in at Dayton's expense. UCONN's 4 seed in the NIT shows where the committee valued them. All things being equal, the committee felt three A10 teams deserved in, and two from the AAC. Somebody sneaking in and stealing a bid doesn't mean a league deserved the bid. However, I do think Temple got screwed and deserved to get in over several teams, although not ahead of Dayton, who was also undervalued.

UConn's seeding in the NIT means nothing and all of its seedings should be taken with a grain of salt.

(03-15-2015 09:16 PM)hoops22 Wrote:  

(03-15-2015 06:22 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(03-15-2015 05:59 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  

(03-15-2015 05:53 PM)stever20 Wrote:  Temple got knocked out by Wyoming.

Rough year for the AAC. Finishes third in G5 rankings and only gets two in compared to six for BE and four for A10.

A10 only got 3 in, not 4. And if UConn had won, it would have been AAC 3 A10 2(Dayton last team in).

Come on Stever, you know better than that. While it's true had UCONN won the score would have been 3-2 AAC, that's not because the committee felt the AAC deserved three, but rather were forced to put them in at Dayton's expense. UCONN's 4 seed in the NIT shows where the committee valued them. All things being equal, the committee felt three A10 teams deserved in, and two from the AAC. Somebody sneaking in and stealing a bid doesn't mean a league deserved the bid. However, I do think Temple got screwed and deserved to get in over several teams, although not ahead of Dayton, who was also undervalued.

Temple actually was the team that got screwed for Wyoming getting in.

(03-15-2015 06:30 PM)RaiderRed Wrote:  

(03-15-2015 06:25 PM)Cnelson203 Wrote:  

(03-15-2015 05:23 PM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  The little schools are getting robbed! They are matching up the mid-majors with each other. I am starting to disassociate myself with college athletics. It would be easier if I had friends/or liked the social life.

Hey,my team deserves nothing in basketball, so this isn't personal sour grapes, but surely you have come to the conclusion by now that the big boys are trying to destroy the G5. It seems more and more obvious to me.

It is obvious and it is the right choice. The G5 are free to schedule their own tourney and lets see how many watch it. Fans and money matter and if you have neither-- don't cry.

Fans watch for Cinderella, too. Call me when Texas Tech can become proficient at basketball without Bobby Knight.

Any gripes about Duke getting a #1 seed over Virginia despite Virginia having a better record and winning the ACC regular season championship?

(03-15-2015 09:40 PM)Hokie4Skins Wrote:  Any gripes about Duke getting a #1 seed over Virginia despite Virginia having a better record and winning the ACC regular season championship?

regular season championships in a conference the size of the ACC doesn't mean much. that's just a matter of who you play 2x and who you don't.

Still think conference championship matters (and not quite as huge given you only have a couple teams you end up playing twice anymore).

(03-15-2015 09:51 PM)ohio1317 Wrote:  Still think conference championship matters (and not quite as huge given you only have a couple teams you end up playing twice anymore).

let's look-
Virginia played 2x NC State 10-8, Virginia Tech 2-16, Louisville 12-6, and Wake Forest 5-13- finished 16-2
Duke played 2x Wake Forest 5-13, Notre Dame 14-4, UNC 11-7, and Syracuse 9-9- finished 15-3.
combined record of UVA's 2x opponents- 29-43
combined record of Duke's 2x opponents- 39-33
plus Duke beat Virginia

yeah- pretty easy to see why regular season title in a conference the size of the ACC doesn't matter. Now in the Big 12- it does matter as it's a double round robin. So that's why Kansas ahead of Iowa St.

(03-15-2015 07:58 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(03-15-2015 07:50 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  

(03-15-2015 07:45 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(03-15-2015 06:45 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  

(03-15-2015 06:30 PM)RaiderRed Wrote:  It is obvious and it is the right choice. The G5 are free to schedule their own tourney and lets see how many watch it. Fans and money matter and if you have neither-- don't cry.

Umm.....UCONN has many fans, many more than whatever crap school you root for. They had money, but the P5 are trying their damndest to take that away, and they're on the outside. While sh*t P5 schools get handies from the committee and losers like you.

You had a home court advantage and couldn't get it done...The NIT made you a 4 seed...I'd say there were quite a few schools ahead of you. UConn killed themselves with their awful run midseason.

That's not even remotely my point. Congrats on taking an opportunity to get your shots in on UCONN and their fans, though. 3 years in the P5 and you act as arrogantly as the clown I put on blast.

You are like a 2 year old lashing out at everyone and everything...

Where did I take a shot at UConn and their fans in the this thread?
You guys had too big a hole dug...you had to win it all.

The bold is shot 1, the underlined is shot 2. Don't even try and convince me it wasn't an insult towards UCONN and their fans. 3 years in the P5 and 'Cuse fans are doubling down on the arrogance.