cuseroc Wrote:

panite Wrote:

Brick City Pirate Wrote:panite, I can see your scenerio playing out, but don't sell ECU short. At this moment & for the near future, ECU's football program is ahead of Memphis & UCF. I know it's basketball season, but it's football that will be driving the bus if a split occurs. ECU is now on the upswing in all sports except basketball. I'd bet UCF & Memphis would take a football only if they know ECU would. Why take the chance of getting left out post split?

Don't worry BCP. I am not selling ECU short. As a matter of fact I think the school administration is playing their hand the best way possible. Pushing the FB program along with the great following it has first is the way best for them to go. If ECU can place its other teams in the A-10 until they can get them into the BE or split BE at a later date that will help them too with N. Eastern and Tidal Basin exposure and recruiting. Your AD and and administration are doing a good job with their efforts. My post was not meant to put ECU down but meant to show what direction Trained Goose will go in an effort to save the BE as is. Personally I would not mind seeing the situation work out this way and it would benefit all concerned at this time.

Personally, I think that if there is indeed a split, it will be 2 schools invited. Those 2 schools imo will be ECU, with its football on the upswing, and the great traveling fanbase that they bring to the table. They are closer to many of the bowls than the northeastern schools and will better travel and support bowls like the Charlotte and others.

Memphis will be the other school since they bring a great bb program and and we will probably need another program to replace the loss of GTown and Nova. Also, the Liberty Bowl seems to be somewhat interested in staying with whatever league that Memphis is in. Their fans seem to travel decently as well, which could help secure other bowls. Not only do I think this scenario, would play out, but I hope it does play out if the BE is not able to lure another higher profile program, which does not seem to be a realistic goal at this time.

ECU is a myth and a detriment to any league they are in. This great 'traveling fan base' never matriculated to Louisville in any sport. For the basketball tournaments you could always count their fans on one hand. UCF and Memphis if it's 10. UCF is making the investment, is in Orlando and only an hour or so drive to the USF campus and Memphis has the branding and resources along with a nice bowl in their portfolio.

Give me a list of BE ADs and presidents who want to take a smaller bcs share and tv revenue share to add memphis state and ecu.Also which of them wants to have a worse bb tv package to add memphis st and ecu.

CatsClaw Wrote:

Jackson1011 Wrote:Tranghese must be furious that Boehiem said this publicly...wow..bet there are some angery people in Providece today

Jackson

Agreed. But if they have a problem with it in Providence they know where to find him. What are they going to do, kick Syracuse out? I guarantee the 'Cuse will have 7 schools following them out the door if they pulled that stunt.

Oh you said it. And Rutgers won't even be back to unpack the desk.

time wil tell as it says in the article we hve three more years at 16. after that we will see whaat happens.
What MT doesnt discuss in that article is that a big reason for the 16 team league was not only to strengten the basketball only schools but because the football schools were unsure of their BCS status. Once that was cleared it relieved a big reason for them to stay put.

WHY DOES THE THREAD HAVE TO DEGENIRATE INTO AN EXPANSION THREAD?

THe original post included this quote:
"I've said this since the league went to 16, we're not going to get more than six or seven teams in," he said. "If we had two eight-team leagues, we would've gotten eight teams in. But we don't. We have a 16-team league and I don't believe we'll ever get more than six or seven teams in the tournament."

The quote is attributed to Boeheim although I can't confirm a source.

To me, this addresses a split, not an expansion. Expansion discussion simply clouds the issue.

I believe a split is justified. If expansion occurs following a split, it is a separate issue. Do not let posters opposed to a split throw red herrings across the trail of thought processes.

Would the present 8 FB schools be better off in an all-sports conference or not? That is the question. Address that without the expansion question first.

Jim

JIM15068 Wrote:WHY DOES THE THREAD HAVE TO DEGENIRATE INTO AN EXPANSION THREAD?

THe original post included this quote:
"I've said this since the league went to 16, we're not going to get more than six or seven teams in," he said. "If we had two eight-team leagues, we would've gotten eight teams in. But we don't. We have a 16-team league and I don't believe we'll ever get more than six or seven teams in the tournament."

The quote is attributed to Boeheim although I can't confirm a source.

To me, this addresses a split, not an expansion. Expansion discussion simply clouds the issue.

I believe a split is justified. If expansion occurs following a split, it is a separate issue. Do not let posters opposed to a split throw red herrings across the trail of thought processes.

Would the present 8 FB schools be better off in an all-sports conference or not? That is the question. Address that without the expansion question first.

Jim

You can't seperate one from the other. If and when the split happens there will be expansion. There are too many reasons to add another program for that not to happen, schedualing and television market share not the least of them.

I like the idea of keeping Novan and Gtown. I think that solves a lot of the squeemishness associated with a clean split.

On a side note Tranghese's song and dance is getting old in the face of criticism from within the league.

We'll keep doing our part to make Conference USA be the best it can be, but you tell us who to write a check to, and we'll have it FedEx'd by morning.

Memphis, Cincinnati, and Louisville belong together. It'll happen again someday.

You reunite that trio, along with Syracuse, UConn, Pitt, WVU...that'd just about be the best basketball league in the nation.

And I LOVE the idea of bringing along ND, Georgetown, and Villanova.

JIM15068 Wrote:WHY DOES THE THREAD HAVE TO DEGENIRATE INTO AN EXPANSION THREAD?

THe original post included this quote:
"I've said this since the league went to 16, we're not going to get more than six or seven teams in," he said. "If we had two eight-team leagues, we would've gotten eight teams in. But we don't. We have a 16-team league and I don't believe we'll ever get more than six or seven teams in the tournament."

The quote is attributed to Boeheim although I can't confirm a source.

To me, this addresses a split, not an expansion. Expansion discussion simply clouds the issue.

I believe a split is justified. If expansion occurs following a split, it is a separate issue. Do not let posters opposed to a split throw red herrings across the trail of thought processes.

Would the present 8 FB schools be better off in an all-sports conference or not? That is the question. Address that without the expansion question first.

Jim

Finally, you understand. It was always about the split. And the reason to split is not so much about find another member as it was to go for a smaller more manageable conference size.

It

L-yes Wrote:

JIM15068 Wrote:WHY DOES THE THREAD HAVE TO DEGENIRATE INTO AN EXPANSION THREAD?

THe original post included this quote:
"I've said this since the league went to 16, we're not going to get more than six or seven teams in," he said. "If we had two eight-team leagues, we would've gotten eight teams in. But we don't. We have a 16-team league and I don't believe we'll ever get more than six or seven teams in the tournament."

The quote is attributed to Boeheim although I can't confirm a source.

To me, this addresses a split, not an expansion. Expansion discussion simply clouds the issue.

I believe a split is justified. If expansion occurs following a split, it is a separate issue. Do not let posters opposed to a split throw red herrings across the trail of thought processes.

Would the present 8 FB schools be better off in an all-sports conference or not? That is the question. Address that without the expansion question first.

Jim

You can't seperate one from the other. If and when the split happens there will be expansion. There are too many reasons to add another program for that not to happen, schedualing and television market share not the least of them.

I like the idea of keeping Novan and Gtown. I think that solves a lot of the squeemishness associated with a clean split.

On a side note Tranghese's song and dance is getting old in the face of criticism from within the league.

I agree that expansion probably will occur after any split. However, when we start talking teams, posters use that to take away from the issue. The need for at least one more FB team is one of the reasons to divide.

The issue, I feel, is that a split would be an improvement, even without expansion. I have my 2 favorite teams, but even without them, I think a split would be beneficial.

Jim

We will have an all sports conference! Yes, we will start at nine and grow to 12.

UConn
Syracuse
Rutgers
Pittsburgh
West Virginia
South Florida
Cincinnati
Louisville
Memphis.

And Guppy, you can not stop it!

CollegeCard Wrote:

bluesox Wrote:play 12 divison (4 teams twice, 4 teams once) games, 4 non-division (1 team twice, 2 teams once) games. 16 teams go to NYC for conf tourney, which would be the quite the event, 4 days of games.

I can't get behind that plan. I think the committee has made clear that they go above and beyond what they should when it relates to penalizing teams who don't play in leagues with at least semi equal schedules. Skipping 2 teams, as we currently do, was bad enough. We thankfully are getting rid of that and will now play everyone. Skipping 4 teams is not a league, it'd be a joke of a confederation.

I will never understand that way of thinking. Divisions would not be needed in an 18-team Big East. Just play everyone once and your most traditional rival a second time. That is 18 league games, which we will have starting next season anyway, and - voila - problem solved.

An 18-team Big East would solve our scheduling problems in both football and basketball but, because people would start crying that it is too many teams, it would probably never happen. I fail to see a significant size difference in a 16-team league and an 18-team league.

If Connecticut and Syracuse jump to the ACC for a 14 team league and the $$$$$ that would be waiting for them, The BE football would be down to six and needing some teams quick. That would then lead to Memphis, UCF, and ECU all coming at once.

OUBOBCATJOHN Wrote:If Connecticut and Syracuse jump to the ACC for a 14 team league and the $$$$$ that would be waiting for them, The BE football would be down to six and needing some teams quick. That would then lead to Memphis, UCF, and ECU all coming at once.

Connecticut and Syracuse aren't going to the ACC. The ACC isn't expanding to 14. Period. End of discussion.

Wilkie01 Wrote:We will have an all sports conference! Yes, we will start at nine and grow to 12.

UConn
Syracuse
Rutgers
Pittsburgh
West Virginia
South Florida
Cincinnati
Louisville
Memphis.

And Guppy, you can not stop it!

The question has been asked, would the current 8 FB schools be better off on their own or continue in this 16-teams conference? Because going for more members for the sake of scheduling problem is not a strong enough reason to split. Not everyone have that problem. But we all can see there are too many members for one conference. Getting 8 or more teams into NCCA tournament on the annual bases is not possible. Getting 4-6 teams from one conference is more likely to be acceptable by the committee. TV contract is the biggest BS in the world to continue conference beyond 2010. We can get better basketball TV contract with our current 8 school than this 16-school league because we would have football to bargain with which we can

Krocker Krapp Wrote:I will never understand that way of thinking. Divisions would not be needed in an 18-team Big East. Just play everyone once and your most traditional rival a second time. That is 18 league games, which we will have starting next season anyway, and - voila - problem solved.

An 18-team Big East would solve our scheduling problems in both football and basketball but, because people would start crying that it is too many teams, it would probably never happen. I fail to see a significant size difference in a 16-team league and an 18-team league.

Krock, 16 is already too many. Six bids per 16 teams (.375). It'd be worse for 18 teams - 6/18 (.333). I think these last two years have made it clear that there is an implicit limit to the number of BE bids to the NCAA tourney.

Now, someone suggested two leagues under the same management, contract, etc. Two auto bids, no possible backlash in either league about excessive number of bids. Each league plays a balanced schedule. What would be wrong with that?

OUBOBCATJOHN Wrote:If Connecticut and Syracuse jump to the ACC for a 14 team league and the $$$$$ that would be waiting for them, The BE football would be down to six and needing some teams quick. That would then lead to Memphis, UCF, and ECU all coming at once.

The ACC isnt going to 14... thats just plain dumb... If u are all sports.. there is no reason to go past 12... once u have the champ game ... adding schools loses $$$$ and its all about $$$$. Conn and Cuse are going nowhere.. unless and until there is a split.. then they will go with the rest of the FB members.

SO#1 Wrote:[quote="Wilkie01"]We will have an all sports conference! Yes, we will start at nine and grow to 12.

UConn
Syracuse
Rutgers
Pittsburgh
West Virginia
South Florida
Cincinnati
Louisville
Memphis.

And Guppy, you can not stop it!

The question has been asked, would the current 8 FB schools be better off on their own or continue in this 16-teams conference? Because going for more members for the sake of scheduling problem is not a strong enough reason to split. Not everyone have that problem. But we all can see there are too many members for one conference. Getting 8 or more teams into NCCA tournament on the annual bases is not possible. Getting 4-6 teams from one conference is more likely to be acceptable by the committee. TV contract is the biggest BS in the world to continue conference beyond 2010. We can get better basketball TV contract with our current 8 school than this 16-school league because we would have football to bargain with which we can

tigersharktwo Wrote:[quote="SO#1"][quote="Wilkie01"]We will have an all sports conference! Yes, we will start at nine and grow to 12.

UConn
Syracuse
Rutgers
Pittsburgh
West Virginia
South Florida
Cincinnati
Louisville
Memphis.

And Guppy, you can not stop it!

The question has been asked, would the current 8 FB schools be better off on their own or continue in this 16-teams conference? Because going for more members for the sake of scheduling problem is not a strong enough reason to split. Not everyone have that problem. But we all can see there are too many members for one conference. Getting 8 or more teams into NCCA tournament on the annual bases is not possible. Getting 4-6 teams from one conference is more likely to be acceptable by the committee. TV contract is the biggest BS in the world to continue conference beyond 2010. We can get better basketball TV contract with our current 8 school than this 16-school league because we would have football to bargain with which we can

Quote:[quote="tigersharktwo"]Has the president of Syracuse or the AD of Syracuse said any thing on a BE split? NO NO

"It's only a flesh wound", right Guppy? You are in denial.

Gray Avenger Wrote:

Quote:[quote="tigersharktwo"]Has the president of Syracuse or the AD of Syracuse said any thing on a BE split? NO NO

"It's only a flesh wound", right Guppy? You are in denial.

Your school memphis state is not joining the BE.Its destiny is southward.(SUN BELT)Jimmy b is mad because his team did not get an ncaa bid.He shot his mouth off.However,the AD or President of Syracuse said nothing on BE split.