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Packman81? Terry? Domer? Lumberpack? All you guys bring up so much interesting stuff. Bottom line is though one of you may be close. Of course they should know. People when this all said plus being done count on this. NOTRE DAME will have what they want. Down the road the Irish will have a conference that fits them. Well may also the others in this very distinquished club. Look for this . The qualifiers.

Texas
FSU
Navy
BYU(why you think ACC counting them now)
USC
Stanford
Purdue
Mich State.
Penn State
UNC
Duke

Now I cannot tell you whom would join in. Think about what NBC will pay for that league when it happens. Few more will be added to the club for travel(betterment) pods. A UCLA maybe(dunno)? UVA? Time will tell. It all depends on what espn will pay. NBC is coming and be ready. Oh ND and the likes of Texas will make more. Don't you think they know this already. People the timeline is the thing. Things are happening for sure. When you take peak at some of potential teams. Make sure you know who ND wants to play mostly are on there. It is a must and NBC knows this.


I will comeback one day with how I think this really all shakes. SEC i give clue will change some but not much. The others well they will.
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Ummm thanks to the Penguin Fan out there in leftfield join BE4eva and his expanding collection of friends.
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You saying people in Youngstown don't have people in the know? Know people at NBC? LOL

Terry is close. Packman I think is bit off. Still NBC is lurking around. ACC has some decent inventory they would like to have. NBC getting really involved. May take a bit due to GOR's! Still can't a company flirt?
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Thx for the invaluable information ECU fan.....

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Interesting. Well at minimum I will say welcome to you and God loves you. :)
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(03-13-2015 09:16 AM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  Thx for the invaluable information ECU fan.....

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It is a ND thing. Why you think people suck up to them. L'pack mentioned a closer tie ND/VT for a scheduling matter with Purdue. Call it the Navy factor.
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OK. So what's your point?
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(03-13-2015 09:22 AM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  OK. So what's your point?

He thinks that I rock. :)

The only thing about Youngstown is that the DeBartolo family (big ND boosters) are from there.

Does that mean anything ? Does anything ever mean anything?

He implies that Texas and NBC are key and are involved? Who knows?

I will say that the Big East's approach to trying to snag ND football was all wrong.

It was "share some of your football money with us and help save us, it will benefit ND's other sports."

That was always a non-starter.

The only hope for the ACC to snag ND football is to make it so the move massively benefits ND.

ND is not looking to give up independence to benefit the ACC, sorry.

The price of giving up independence would be very high.

Bring in Texas and come up with a way to greatly, greatly improve/benefit ND, particularly ND football.

Then, you might have something.

My thinking is still that this is all rumor and peyote smoke, though.
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(03-13-2015 09:57 AM)TerryD Wrote:  [quote='ClairtonPanther' pid='11870564' dateline='1426256546']
OK. So what's your point?

He thinks that I rock. :)

The only thing about Youngstown is that the DeBartolo family (big ND boosters) are from there.

Does that mean anything ? Does anything ever mean anything?

He implies that Texas and NBC are key and are involved? Who knows?



Take a few PODS from each existing conference less SEC and you get a liking of the Irish. They like I said above will get more while others will be taken cared of better then now. SEE FSU. Notre Dame will still have INDY of whom they play. Make HUGE bucks. Hurt the BIG 10. Plus say they rule the day!
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(03-13-2015 10:08 AM)Thomas J. Crumpecker Wrote:  
(03-13-2015 09:57 AM)TerryD Wrote:  [quote='ClairtonPanther' pid='11870564' dateline='1426256546']
OK. So what's your point?

He thinks that I rock. :)

The only thing about Youngstown is that the DeBartolo family (big ND boosters) are from there.

Does that mean anything ? Does anything ever mean anything?

He implies that Texas and NBC are key and are involved? Who knows?



Take a few PODS from each existing conference less SEC and you get a liking of the Irish. They like I said above will get more while others will be taken cared of better then now. SEE FSU. Notre Dame will still have INDY of whom they play. Make HUGE bucks. Hurt the BIG 10. Plus say they rule the day!


Ok, that is not going to happen, but nice idea anyway.

The only thing close to that I see ever having a remote chance is for Texas and ND to both refuse to renew their respective GOR's, bust up both the Big 12 and the ACC, then create their own conference from the best of both conferences.

The others would then have to band together in another new conference or find other conference homes.
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(03-13-2015 10:16 AM)TerryD Wrote:  
(03-13-2015 10:08 AM)Thomas J. Crumpecker Wrote:  
(03-13-2015 09:57 AM)TerryD Wrote:  [quote='ClairtonPanther' pid='11870564' dateline='1426256546']
OK. So what's your point?

He thinks that I rock. :)

The only thing about Youngstown is that the DeBartolo family (big ND boosters) are from there.

Does that mean anything ? Does anything ever mean anything?


Not far off from what I am saying. What your are leaving out IMHO is NBC and more content. NBC also has issue of wanting East Coast, Central and West Coast time zones. ND will play along due to money and of course NBC will ask them to. plies that Texas and NBC are key and are involved? Who knows?



Take a few PODS from each existing conference less SEC and you get a liking of the Irish. They like I said above will get more while others will be taken cared of better then now. SEE FSU. Notre Dame will still have INDY of whom they play. Make HUGE bucks. Hurt the BIG 10. Plus say they rule the day!


Ok, that is not going to happen, but nice idea anyway.

The only thing close to that I see ever having a remote chance is for Texas and ND to both refuse to renew their respective GOR's, bust up both the Big 12 and the ACC, then create their own conference from the best of both conferences.

The others would then have to band together in another new conference or find other conference homes.
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(03-13-2015 10:21 AM)Thomas J. Crumpecker Wrote:  
(03-13-2015 10:16 AM)TerryD Wrote:  
(03-13-2015 10:08 AM)Thomas J. Crumpecker Wrote:  
(03-13-2015 09:57 AM)TerryD Wrote:  [quote='ClairtonPanther' pid='11870564' dateline='1426256546']
OK. So what's your point?

He thinks that I rock. :)

The only thing about Youngstown is that the DeBartolo family (big ND boosters) are from there.

Does that mean anything ? Does anything ever mean anything?


Not far off from what I am saying. What your are leaving out IMHO is NBC and more content. NBC also has issue of wanting East Coast, Central and West Coast time zones. ND will play along due to money and of course NBC will ask them to. plies that Texas and NBC are key and are involved? Who knows?



Take a few PODS from each existing conference less SEC and you get a liking of the Irish. They like I said above will get more while others will be taken cared of better then now. SEE FSU. Notre Dame will still have INDY of whom they play. Make HUGE bucks. Hurt the BIG 10. Plus say they rule the day!


Ok, that is not going to happen, but nice idea anyway.

The only thing close to that I see ever having a remote chance is for Texas and ND to both refuse to renew their respective GOR's, bust up both the Big 12 and the ACC, then create their own conference from the best of both conferences.

The others would then have to band together in another new conference or find other conference homes.


Terry the thing we disagree on is at current moment of ND. If they do not do something of the above then they will be forced to either save ACC or lose it. If they do as I have been led to believe they shape whom they want from ACC. Plus collect others to form this national alliance. NBC and ND calling shots for the Irish future IMHO. Enough from me today. LOL
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(03-13-2015 10:25 AM)Thomas J. Crumpecker Wrote:  
(03-13-2015 10:21 AM)Thomas J. Crumpecker Wrote:  
(03-13-2015 10:16 AM)TerryD Wrote:  
(03-13-2015 10:08 AM)Thomas J. Crumpecker Wrote:  
(03-13-2015 09:57 AM)TerryD Wrote:  [quote='ClairtonPanther' pid='11870564' dateline='1426256546']
OK. So what's your point?

He thinks that I rock. :)

The only thing about Youngstown is that the DeBartolo family (big ND boosters) are from there.

Does that mean anything ? Does anything ever mean anything?


Not far off from what I am saying. What your are leaving out IMHO is NBC and more content. NBC also has issue of wanting East Coast, Central and West Coast time zones. ND will play along due to money and of course NBC will ask them to. plies that Texas and NBC are key and are involved? Who knows?



Take a few PODS from each existing conference less SEC and you get a liking of the Irish. They like I said above will get more while others will be taken cared of better then now. SEE FSU. Notre Dame will still have INDY of whom they play. Make HUGE bucks. Hurt the BIG 10. Plus say they rule the day!


Ok, that is not going to happen, but nice idea anyway.

The only thing close to that I see ever having a remote chance is for Texas and ND to both refuse to renew their respective GOR's, bust up both the Big 12 and the ACC, then create their own conference from the best of both conferences.

The others would then have to band together in another new conference or find other conference homes.


Terry the thing we disagree on is at current moment of ND. If they do not do something of the above then they will be forced to either save ACC or lose it. If they do as I have been led to believe they shape whom they want from ACC. Plus collect others to form this national alliance. NBC and ND calling shots for the Irish future IMHO. Enough from me today. LOL


That is just it, though. ND can ride it out with the ACC until the latter is destroyed, then pick up the pieces and move on from there. That is indeed an option.

There is no way the listing of schools in your first post can come together.

Too many GOR's, too much Big Ten money, too many moving parts.......

What I can see happen is for Texas to bring five to seven friends (Oklahoma, Baylor, Kansas, Kansas State, TCU, Oklahoma State) and ND bring five to seven friends (FSU, Miami, Georgia Tech, North Carolina, Duke, Pitt ) and form a new conference after those two GOR's expire.

That brings together Texas and ND, two of the most powerful and valuable franchises, and gives ND coverage over the Northeast, Southeast and Southwest and far as exposure goes.

Not as good as having seven games a year to control, but not bad if ND just HAS to join a football conference.
Again, I give all of this a snowball's chance, though.
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That's pretty wild. IF i were going with the wild concept it would be a merger of the acc and big 12 post football champ game deregulation where the end is basically 3 leagues under the acc banner.

Atlantic: UNC, Duke, NC state, Wake, UVA, V tech, Clem, Gtech, FSU

Coastal: BC, Uconn, Cuse, Pitt, WVU, Cincy, Lville, Miami, ND*

Central: Texas, Texas tech, TCU, Baylor, OU, Ok state, KU, K state, I state

format: Football 8-0-0, basketball 16-0-0, thus no cross over games. Any desired cross over games would be considered non-conference. As for ND football, they would play 4 rotated coastal division games each year h/a. BYU would play 4 h/a that balances ND so 8 games are booked in the coastal division school's. The football title game would be the 2 highest ranked school's from the pool of the 3 division winners. Rule change to get each division to host hoop/olympic sports tourney is requested. LHN converts into ACCN.
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Somebody call Narcotics Anonymous... we need to do an intervention here!
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(03-13-2015 11:21 AM)bluesox Wrote:  That's pretty wild. IF i were going with the wild concept it would be a merger of the acc and big 12 post football champ game deregulation where the end is basically 3 leagues under the acc banner.

Atlantic: UNC, Duke, NC state, Wake, UVA, V tech, Clem, Gtech, FSU

Coastal: BC, Uconn, Cuse, Pitt, WVU, Cincy, Lville, Miami, ND*

Central: Texas, Texas tech, TCU, Baylor, OU, Ok state, KU, K state, I state

format: Football 8-0-0, basketball 16-0-0, thus no cross over games. Any desired cross over games would be considered non-conference. As for ND football, they would play 4 rotated coastal division games each year h/a. BYU would play 4 h/a that balances ND so 8 games are booked in the coastal division school's. The football title game would be the 2 highest ranked school's from the pool of the 3 division winners. Rule change to get each division to host hoop/olympic sports tourney is requested. LHN converts into ACCN.


Less "dead weight" my way. Less mouths to feed. More valuable properties all grouped together.

Again, I am not doing opium today, so I don't believe any of this has any chance in the real world.

But, if I was running ND and had to join for football, this is the Machiaveillan way I would try to do it.

No emotional ties. No grandfathering. All business. Texas and ND team up to form their own, hand picked conference.

If two existing conferences have to be destroyed and some schools left behind or have to join other, existing conferences because of this move, so it goes.....
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(03-13-2015 11:27 AM)TerryD Wrote:  
(03-13-2015 11:21 AM)bluesox Wrote:  That's pretty wild. IF i were going with the wild concept it would be a merger of the acc and big 12 post football champ game deregulation where the end is basically 3 leagues under the acc banner.

Atlantic: UNC, Duke, NC state, Wake, UVA, V tech, Clem, Gtech, FSU

Coastal: BC, Uconn, Cuse, Pitt, WVU, Cincy, Lville, Miami, ND*

Central: Texas, Texas tech, TCU, Baylor, OU, Ok state, KU, K state, I state

format: Football 8-0-0, basketball 16-0-0, thus no cross over games. Any desired cross over games would be considered non-conference. As for ND football, they would play 4 rotated coastal division games each year h/a. BYU would play 4 h/a that balances ND so 8 games are booked in the coastal division school's. The football title game would be the 2 highest ranked school's from the pool of the 3 division winners. Rule change to get each division to host hoop/olympic sports tourney is requested. LHN converts into ACCN.


Less "dead weight" my way. Less mouths to feed. More valuable properties all grouped together.

Again, I am not doing opium today, so I don't believe any of this has any chance in the real world.

But, if I was running ND and had to join for football, this is the Machiaveillan way I would try to do it.

No emotional ties. No grandfathering. All business. Texas and ND team up to form their own, hand picked conference.

If two existing conferences have to be destroyed and some schools left behind or have to join other, existing conferences because of this move, so it goes.....

ACC has some issues. That being how you feed FSU. They leave ACC is in dilemna. SO.....
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Its nice to know that ND is willing to ride out the ACC until it is destroyed. Sounds like they would be willing to help destroy it. Such great partners!

A time will come when ND will have to decide what's in their best interest. If the ACC is destroyed there would be no other conference that would allow a partial membership.

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(03-13-2015 11:53 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  Its nice to know that ND is willing to ride out the ACC until it is destroyed. Sounds like they would be willing to help destroy it. Such great partners!

A time will come when ND will have to decide what's in their best interest. If the ACC is destroyed there would be no other conference that would allow a partial membership.

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Our best interest is status quo, we have no interest an any other conference(Real or fantasy). If we did every one already knows where we will go and eveything else is just off-season gibberish(No offense op).
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(03-13-2015 11:53 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  Its nice to know that ND is willing to ride out the ACC until it is destroyed. Sounds like they would be willing to help destroy it. Such great partners!

A time will come when ND will have to decide what's in their best interest. If the ACC is destroyed there would be no other conference that would allow a partial membership.

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Well, ND rode out the Big East in just such a fashion. I view conferences (the Big East and the ACC) as temporary or expedient business arrangements, at best.

I don't want any of this to happen. It is not me who keeps pushing for ND to join a football conference. But, I have no personal allegiance to any conference and never will.

My scenario is not about partial membership. It is about the idea of ND HAVING to join a conference for football.

I don't want it or like it, but....

But, it must massively benefit ND to cause it to move. I am looking at a business partnership with Texas as the best way to do it.

Two divisions, six to eight valuable pieces in each. Championship game to alternate between Atlanta, Indianapolis and Dallas. :)

New conference, new conference network, brand new TV deal. Conference championship game. Big money with both Texas and ND involved to anchor it.

Or...we can just forget all this nonsense and carry on as is indefinitely.
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