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New paper finds climate models violate the 'basic physics' of the 2nd law
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New paper finds climate models violate the 'basic physics' of the 2nd law
http://hockeyschtick.blogspot.com/2014/0...olate.html

A paper published today in the Quarterly Journal of the Royal Meteorological Society finds climate models violate the 'basic physics' of the Second Law of Thermodynamics with respect to simulating conventional turbulent heat flow, one of the most important mechanisms of heat transfer in the atmosphere.

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"...Both test cases indicate that negative thermal dissipation can occur for the conventional heat flux. Obviously, the additional energy made available by this negative dissipation to the resolved turbulence is later on dissipated by friction, so that the total dissipation is again comparable [for the wrong physical reasons], at least for the boundary layer experiment."

In other words, the computer models falsely claim that entropy can decrease, heat can "negatively dissipate" [i.e. concentrate itself], and that "additional energy [a violation of the 1st law of thermodynamics] is made available by this "negative dissipation" [a violation of the 2nd law of thermodynamics]." Thus, the climate models violate the basic physics of both the 1st and 2nd laws of thermodynamics.
03-10-2015 12:30 PM
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Yet we are supposed to pump untold billions into recommendations based on studies that don't even build models in accordance with physical laws of nature.
03-10-2015 04:17 PM
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"To hell with science since it contradicts what we want to be true," scream the liberals while bashing the Catholic Church at the same time. Idiots.

*BTW, the Catholic Church believes science and truth are complimentary, not contradictory. The Catholic Church even owns the Vatican Observatory in AZ:

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Vatican Observatory Homepage

"Welcome to the website of the Vatican Observatory, known in Italian as the Specola Vaticana. The Observatory is one of the oldest astronomical research institutions in the world. Its headquarters are at the Pope’s summer residence in Castel Gandolfo, just outside of Rome. Its dependent research center, the Vatican Observatory Research Group, is hosted by Steward Observatory at the University of Arizona, Tucson, USA. From these two centers, at Castel Gandolfo and Tucson, the Observatory conducts ongoing research programs and fosters international collaboration in astronomy.

The Observatory’s unique mission, in service of the Holy See, is to exploring the universe while bearing witness to the Catholic Church’s commitment to dialogue with the sciences.

The exploration of the Universe is a journey open to all people of good will, not just to the Vatican astronomers. I hope that you will join us on that journey!

Father José G. Funes, S.J., Director, Vatican Observatory"
03-11-2015 09:20 AM
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RE: New paper finds climate models violate the 'basic physics' of the 2nd law
(03-11-2015 09:20 AM)GoodOwl Wrote:  "To hell with science since it contradicts what we want to be true," scream the liberals while bashing the Catholic Church at the same time. Idiots.

*BTW, the Catholic Church believes science and truth are complimentary, not contradictory. The Catholic Church even owns the Vatican Observatory in AZ:

from their website:

Vatican Observatory Homepage

"Welcome to the website of the Vatican Observatory, known in Italian as the Specola Vaticana. The Observatory is one of the oldest astronomical research institutions in the world. Its headquarters are at the Pope’s summer residence in Castel Gandolfo, just outside of Rome. Its dependent research center, the Vatican Observatory Research Group, is hosted by Steward Observatory at the University of Arizona, Tucson, USA. From these two centers, at Castel Gandolfo and Tucson, the Observatory conducts ongoing research programs and fosters international collaboration in astronomy.

The Observatory’s unique mission, in service of the Holy See, is to exploring the universe while bearing witness to the Catholic Church’s commitment to dialogue with the sciences.

The exploration of the Universe is a journey open to all people of good will, not just to the Vatican astronomers. I hope that you will join us on that journey!

Father José G. Funes, S.J., Director, Vatican Observatory"

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03-11-2015 06:05 PM
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