(03-07-2015 06:43 AM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  I didn't see "The American" listed, but I'm pretty sure USF and UCF have never danced and I'm not sure about ECU...

I think USF danced when in the Big East, but don't quote me.

USF played in the First Four in 2012, I believe. They won big that game if my recollection is correct.

(03-06-2015 11:52 PM)jdgaucho Wrote:  UC Davis did win the D2 national championship in '98 and UC Riverside reached a D2 final so technically they have both played in an NCAA Tournament. (Unless you are only counting D1 appearances).

Obviously he is, not to sound anal. Heck, technically any tournament in any sport sanctioned by the NCAA perhaps except the NIT is called the "NCAA Tournament" but the D-1 men's basketball is so popular that it has become synonymous with the term.

(03-07-2015 06:43 AM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  I didn't see "The American" listed, but I'm pretty sure USF and UCF have never danced and I'm not sure about ECU...

ECU went in 1993 and USF was there and even winning games only 3 years ago under Stan Heath. UCF has been 4-5 times I think, including 2-3 straight when they were in the Atlantic Sun just prior to their move to C-USA.

You can erase UC-Irvine and SUNY-Buffalo off that list also.

The fact that Northwestern has never made the NCAA's out of the B1G is mindboggling.

Oh and I almost forget that North Florida needs to be taken off that list.

(03-15-2015 02:38 AM)Kittonhead Wrote:  The fact that Northwestern has never made the NCAA's out of the B1G is mindboggling.

Northwestern really isn't much of a basketball player's school.

(03-07-2015 10:13 AM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  USF played in the First Four in 2012, I believe. They won big that game if my recollection is correct.

Not only did they win USF made it to the 3rd Round. But, USF also made their first Dance appearance in 1990.

(03-07-2015 09:27 AM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  

(03-07-2015 06:43 AM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  I didn't see "The American" listed, but I'm pretty sure USF and UCF have never danced and I'm not sure about ECU...

I think USF danced when in the Big East, but don't quote me.

USF danced when they were members of the Sun Belt Conference in 1990.

(03-15-2015 02:52 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(03-15-2015 02:38 AM)Kittonhead Wrote:  The fact that Northwestern has never made the NCAA's out of the B1G is mindboggling.

Northwestern really isn't much of a basketball player's school.

So? You'd figure they'd accidently put a good basketball team together over the decades. It didn't help that the B1G didn't a tournament until the late 90's.

(03-15-2015 02:52 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(03-15-2015 02:38 AM)Kittonhead Wrote:  The fact that Northwestern has never made the NCAA's out of the B1G is mindboggling.

Northwestern really isn't much of a basketball player's school.

It's a Big Ten athletic department with a $68 million annual budget. Northwestern has ridiculously huge resources compared to many programs that make NCAA tournaments regularly, and far more resources than any of those other programs that have never played in an NCAA tournament.

(03-15-2015 02:38 AM)Kittonhead Wrote:  The fact that Northwestern has never made the NCAA's out of the B1G is mindboggling.

You figure about 50% of Big Ten teams make the tourney every year since the expansion to 64 teams in 1984. Thats 30 years with 50/50 chance of making the tourney. The odds of a Big Ten team of never making the tourney in the last 30 years 1 out of 1,073,741,824, or a liitle more than1 in a billion.

Even if you figure their odds are 1 in 10 each year for NW, the odds of never making it are 1 out of 23. You would figure at least once they would break through.

It truly does boggle the mind. How is it possible NW has never made the tourney?

How much emphasis have they put on the success of their basketball team and athletic teams in general historically? I know in the last 10 years it seems NW has made an effort to put a competitive basketball team on the court, while still maintaining their academic integrity, but just havent been able to get over that NCAA tourney hump. Were they doing the same in the 80s and 90s?

Like I said, you'd figure once, they'd make it through accidently, regardless of their commitment. A broken clock is right twice every day and even a blind squirrel can find a nut.

(03-15-2015 03:39 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(03-15-2015 02:52 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(03-15-2015 02:38 AM)Kittonhead Wrote:  The fact that Northwestern has never made the NCAA's out of the B1G is mindboggling.

Northwestern really isn't much of a basketball player's school.

It's a Big Ten athletic department with a $68 million annual budget. Northwestern has ridiculously huge resources compared to many programs that make NCAA tournaments regularly, and far more resources than any of those other programs that have never played in an NCAA tournament.

The comparison isn't between Northwestern and "many programs that make the tournament". The comparison is between Northwestern and the rest of the Big Ten programs. Compared to them, Northwestern itself isn't going to appeal to basketball players. Ever seen the girls at Northwestern? Compared to the rest of the State schools of The Big Ten there is an obvious difference and YES that matters when it comes to recruiting high school ball players.

Northwestern is at a serious disadvantage in The Big Ten when it comes to basketball. They do well in football because it is more of a team sport than basketball is.

(03-15-2015 04:37 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(03-15-2015 03:39 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(03-15-2015 02:52 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(03-15-2015 02:38 AM)Kittonhead Wrote:  The fact that Northwestern has never made the NCAA's out of the B1G is mindboggling.

Northwestern really isn't much of a basketball player's school.

It's a Big Ten athletic department with a $68 million annual budget. Northwestern has ridiculously huge resources compared to many programs that make NCAA tournaments regularly, and far more resources than any of those other programs that have never played in an NCAA tournament.

The comparison isn't between Northwestern and "many programs that make the tournament". The comparison is between Northwestern and the rest of the Big Ten programs. Compared to them, Northwestern itself isn't going to appeal to basketball players. Ever seen the girls at Northwestern? Compared to the rest of the State schools of The Big Ten there is an obvious difference and YES that matters when it comes to recruiting high school ball players.

Northwestern is at a serious disadvantage in The Big Ten when it comes to basketball. They do well in football because it is more of a team sport than basketball is.

So on one hand you have the, "ugly girl" excuse and on the other hand you have the, "we have to spend every dime on football just to NOT be as bad as IU/Purdue on the field" excuse.

Which one could it be?

(03-15-2015 04:36 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  Like I said, you'd figure once, they'd make it through accidently, regardless of their commitment. A broken clock is right twice every day and even a blind squirrel can find a nut.

But at-large teams dont make it into the tourney by accident. They make it because they were good, and in major conferences rarely do you see one of the bad teams get hot and steal the auto tourney bid.

Just looking at their year by year record, it seems only after hiring Bill Carmody did they seem to get competitive. Grant it, I know thats not the best way to judge them as each record needs to be held in the context of its season.

He got the basketball and football comparison backwards. It's actually much easier to win at basketball as a private school as opposed to football.

But it is what it is, Northwestern has lacked whatever in basketball.

(03-15-2015 04:46 PM)Dasville Wrote:  

(03-15-2015 04:37 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(03-15-2015 03:39 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(03-15-2015 02:52 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(03-15-2015 02:38 AM)Kittonhead Wrote:  The fact that Northwestern has never made the NCAA's out of the B1G is mindboggling.

Northwestern really isn't much of a basketball player's school.

It's a Big Ten athletic department with a $68 million annual budget. Northwestern has ridiculously huge resources compared to many programs that make NCAA tournaments regularly, and far more resources than any of those other programs that have never played in an NCAA tournament.

The comparison isn't between Northwestern and "many programs that make the tournament". The comparison is between Northwestern and the rest of the Big Ten programs. Compared to them, Northwestern itself isn't going to appeal to basketball players. Ever seen the girls at Northwestern? Compared to the rest of the State schools of The Big Ten there is an obvious difference and YES that matters when it comes to recruiting high school ball players.

Northwestern is at a serious disadvantage in The Big Ten when it comes to basketball. They do well in football because it is more of a team sport than basketball is.

So on one hand you have the, "ugly girl" excuse and on the other hand you have the, "we have to spend every dime on football just to NOT be as bad as IU/Purdue on the field" excuse.

Which one could it be?

Both. The girls matter more though. Remember what Oklahoma State got punished for?

(03-15-2015 04:53 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  He got the basketball and football comparison backwards. It's actually much easier to win at basketball as a tough private schools as opposed to football.

But it is what it is, Northwestern has lacked whatever in basketball.

I'm sorry but this is The Big Ten. Your statement is false.