Some folks infatuation with unions seems almost cult like. I mean, be friends with folks only if said folks are union? Not saying that's good/bad, just an observation.

It's a cultural thing.

(02-27-2015 08:13 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  

(02-27-2015 08:06 PM)Paul M Wrote:  So unions are your god. Swell.

Most union folk it's
1) Union
2) Political Party (always democrat)
3) Nation
4) god
5) family

I'd say it's more like:

1) Union is indistinguishable from Political party (democrat) and that's what they worship (god)
2) family
3) nation
4) about 10,000 other things
5) fellow man

If you want to talk about greed, it is nowhere present more than among union members. I want, I want, I want, and the hell with how anybody else is affected.

(02-28-2015 08:01 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  It's a cultural thing.

It's a cultural thing with you because you've allowed it to be.

I come from a family with coal miners on one side and teachers on the other, so I am well versed it the Union thing. I've been a member of a Union.

What I've come to understand and realize over the last 40 years is that while Unions started out as protectors of the average working man , they have morphed into something far beyond their original charter.

They are corrupt and political at the top end, and at the bottom end do little other than protect the lazy/incompetent of their membership. There are enough laws on the books now that for things like safety, work rules, etc. - they really no longer deal with those important things - they are already legislated.

You've been a proud union member for 20 years or so now - give me instances where they have saved your job - or where they have protected your safety. Further, tell me how they protected your 30 years and out retirement and pension pay.

Oh yeah, I forgot - they didn't stop the revamping of your pension system and since I think you're a good teacher, they haven't actually had to protect your job either - so what exactly has your union done for you personally?

BTW, I'm not against collective bargaining - it's just that the Unions of today spend their time and your dues doing things unrelated to that, and oh yeah - protecting people that have attendance issue or are lazy or just incompetent. They do that.

Union members are the most racist, homophobic and misogynistic people I've ever known. They basically are physically grown bullies who haven't matured intellectually.

(02-28-2015 12:30 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Again you will have to ask him why he made the comparison.

I think the more valid question is why the union spokesperson made the comparison.

This is just sour grapes from the union. They lost. Now they are looking for any excuse to bash Walker. I understand their hatred of him..but..this dog won't hunt.

(02-28-2015 08:46 AM)QuestionSocratic Wrote:  Union members are the most racist, homophobic and misogynistic people I've ever known. They basically are physically grown bullies who haven't matured intellectually.

One word -- GREED.

(02-28-2015 08:46 AM)QuestionSocratic Wrote:  Union members are the most racist, homophobic and misogynistic people I've ever known. They basically are physically grown bullies who haven't matured intellectually.

There was a time when unionization was necessary. That time has past. Most of the positive things they forced businesses to do in the past is now covered by laws.

(02-28-2015 09:26 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(02-28-2015 08:46 AM)QuestionSocratic Wrote:  Union members are the most racist, homophobic and misogynistic people I've ever known. They basically are physically grown bullies who haven't matured intellectually.

One word -- GREED.

I have no problem with greed...but...not when it involves violence and coercion.

A union's only goal is to extort higher wages than could be obtained in a free and open market.

$$$$$$$$

It's less extorting from companies for their members now than extorting from their members to the leaders.

(02-28-2015 09:36 AM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  A union's only goal is to extort higher wages than could be obtained in a free and open market.

$$$$$$$$

There was a time when they pushed for safer working conditions...ect. We have laws now that insure these things.

I agree...Todays union's are simply organized extortion.

(02-27-2015 08:20 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  I can tell you've never been a part of a union family. It's

1) Family

2) Extended Family

3). Neighborhood Family as long as they are a part of the Union.

4). Democratic Party

5) the church used to be a big part of my life growing up, but then they turned political and became an arm of the GOP. They have lost influence without a doubt.

(02-27-2015 08:33 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  6). Nation but we really like it when a D is President.

The fact that you put party above nation and then initially forgot about nation and had to put it in a second post explains everything about you. And then your caveat of "really like it when a D is president" is even more compelling. I am a pol-mil analyst and the last nation that I can remember where leaders put party above country was...oh yeah, Ba'athists in Syria.

(02-26-2015 10:06 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  How much hate must you have in your heart to compare Unions to ISIS. That or the Koch money fattening your pockets. Absolutely disgusting. What an absolute horrible human being.

Jimmy Hoffa agrees with your assessment.....

Walker is the most divisive Republican running. If he divided WI, he'll divide America.

(02-28-2015 01:36 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  Walker is the most divisive Republican running. If he divided WI, he'll divide America.

Impossible to divide it any further than Obama. He's the right Republican, cause democrats seem to be terrified of him.

(02-28-2015 01:42 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  

(02-28-2015 01:36 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  Walker is the most divisive Republican running. If he divided WI, he'll divide America.

Impossible to divide it any further than Obama. He's the right Republican, cause democrats seem to be terrified of him.

Yes ... dividing America was not collateral damage from Obama's policies, it was the *goal* of Obama's policies. Divide and conquer. Fundamental change.

(02-28-2015 01:48 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  

(02-28-2015 01:42 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  

(02-28-2015 01:36 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  Walker is the most divisive Republican running. If he divided WI, he'll divide America.

Impossible to divide it any further than Obama. He's the right Republican, cause democrats seem to be terrified of him.

Yes ... dividing America was not collateral damage from Obama's policies, it was the *goal* of Obama's policies. Divide and conquer. Fundamental change.

No. Obama tried to bring Americans together, remember "there is no black America and no White America, only the United States of America"? Your racism toward Obama is what has divided America.

(02-28-2015 01:51 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  No. Obama tried to bring Americans together, remember "there is no black America and no White America, only the United States of America"? Your racism toward Obama is what has divided America.

Any examples of that you could share with the rest of us?

Throw in an accomplishment of Hillary's also if you want.

If I had yo guess, Mach is more upset about this than the ISIS comment:

AWESOME! Scott Walker’s Reforms Crushing Wisconsin’s Powerful Public Sector Unions, Revenue From Dues Down 40%…

Public sector unions are one step above organized crime. The Democrats give the unions absurdly generous contracts that private sector workers wouldn’t dream of and in return they pour millions of dollars into their campaigns, and the taxpayers get stuck with the bill.

Via The Capital Times:

The latest tax documents available show yet again that Gov. Scott Walker’s efforts to curb the power of the state’s public sector unions have been very successful.

While Walker and supporters of Act 10, which all but ended collective bargaining for most public workers, framed the bill as a way to help local governments reduce the costs of employee benefits, the legislation also included measures aimed at weakening unions financially by ending automatic dues deductions.

The bill appears to have hit the American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees (AFSCME) particularly hard.

Among Wisconsin unions, AFSCME is second only to the Wisconsin Education Association Council in members, and it has long been a powerful player in state politics, funneling money directly to campaigns and running independent TV ads in support of pro-labor candidates, as well as providing a legion of employees and member volunteers who made sure that their union brethren got to the polls on Election Day.

In 2011, the year Act 10 was approved, the four councils that make up the state organization reported a combined income of $14.9 million. In 2012, the first full year that the law was in place, the revenue had dropped roughly 45 percent, to $8.3 million.

While AFSCME’s income occasionally fluctuates to reflect infusions of cash it receives from other labor groups that support its political agenda, most of its money comes directly from member dues.

If we look specifically at dues revenue, the picture is also ugly. In total, dues revenue for the groups dropped 40 percent, from $12 million to $7.1 million.

Dues revenue for AFSCME Council 24, which largely represents employees of state government, peaked at nearly $5 million in 2010 and then dropped to $3.5 million in 2011 and again to $1.7 million in 2012. The particularly steep decline is at least partially due to the fact that, whereas some municipal governments rushed through new labor contracts with unions before Act 10 took effect, the GOP-controlled state government did not ratify any new contracts.

Dues for AFSCME Council 40, a union that represents thousands of county and municipal employees around the state, have plummeted from nearly $7.2 million in 2010 to $4.6 million in 2012. For AFSCME Council 48, which represents government workers in Milwaukee County, dues income declined from $1.9 million in 2011 to $920,000 in 2012.

http://weaselzippers.us/169641-awesome-s...s-down-40/