(02-23-2015 09:14 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  you want to dance you got to pay the band...if the other G5's don't want to or can't, too bad. That's life.

That's the reality of it. I still think it's unfortunate that college football has got to this point, but my best wishes don't change the fact that what you said is correct.

Every school regardless of conference has to decide if they want to shell out the money and try to keep up or if it's better for them to drop to FCS. Like I said this happened before in 1978. Marshall decided to play with the big boys and then in 1981 decided to drop from 1-A to 1-AA. It's time for everyone to make that decision again.

It isn't the end of the world either way and it isn't necessarily a permanent decision either, as evidenced by the fact that after dropping to 1-AA Marshall made the jump back up to 1-A in 1997.

What Landon writes has nothing to do with Marshall's plans. He is a columnists. He is not a representative of the University or even a beat writer for the Herd. Marshall has already stated that it would and can afford to pay it's players as needed to keep up.

What Landon did do is get a lot of hits to his article from people that aren't even fans of schools in the same conference. So, thanks for validating that hack and making it possible for us to have to read more of his drivel in the future.

To associate what he writes as somehow coming from the school, the players, or the fans is asinine and ignorant.

PS I don't blame schools in the AAC from being afraid to play us. Give our AD a call when your ADs sack up.

It's not that were afraid to play with you we just don't want to associate with you

(02-23-2015 11:05 PM)MUther Wrote:  What Landon writes has nothing to do with Marshall's plans. He is a columnists. He is not a representative of the University or even a beat writer for the Herd. Marshall has already stated that it would and can afford to pay it's players as needed to keep up.

What Landon did do is get a lot of hits to his article from people that aren't even fans of schools in the same conference. So, thanks for validating that hack and making it possible for us to have to read more of his drivel in the future.

To associate what he writes as somehow coming from the school, the players, or the fans is asinine and ignorant.

PS I don't blame schools in the AAC from being afraid to play us. Give our AD a call when your ADs sack up.

Speaking as a UCF fan alone, why in the world would we be afraid to play marshall?

More importantly why would we want to play marshall?

When we take over your precious, self proclaimed "master of the G5" title next year, will the fact that we only play 4 games against CUSA be your excuse?

I think a UC-Marshall series could be an asset... Close travel, good fan base...

The trouble is, from a UC standpoint, we don't have room in the schedule. We already have a regular OOC game with a MAC level school (MoO), and need a guaranteed home date (usually an FCS rent-a-game), and then we need OOC power match-ups. So, unless Marshall wants to play all the time at Nippert...

(02-23-2015 11:05 PM)MUther Wrote:  What Landon writes has nothing to do with Marshall's plans. He is a columnists. He is not a representative of the University or even a beat writer for the Herd. Marshall has already stated that it would and can afford to pay it's players as needed to keep up.

What Landon did do is get a lot of hits to his article from people that aren't even fans of schools in the same conference. So, thanks for validating that hack and making it possible for us to have to read more of his drivel in the future.

To associate what he writes as somehow coming from the school, the players, or the fans is asinine and ignorant.

PS I don't blame schools in the AAC from being afraid to play us. Give our AD a call when your ADs sack up.

Don't want to play Marshall. Might catch something

(02-23-2015 11:50 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  I think a UC-Marshall series could be an asset... Close travel, good fan base...

The trouble is, from a UC standpoint, we don't have room in the schedule. We already have a regular OOC game with a MAC level school (MoO), and need a guaranteed home date (usually an FCS rent-a-game), and then we need OOC power match-ups. So, unless Marshall wants to play all the time at Nippert...

Here's a question, would you rather play Louisville or marshall?

Louisville... Traditional rival, longstanding series. But UC runs into the same problem...only in reverse...with Louisville. Barring UC being in the ACC, I don't foresee a resumption of the UC-UL game.

(02-24-2015 12:27 AM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  Louisville... Traditional rival, longstanding series. But UC runs into the same problem...only in reverse...with Louisville. Barring UC being in the ACC, I don't foresee a resumption of the UC-UL game.

Louisville is playing us

(02-23-2015 11:05 PM)MUther Wrote:  What Landon writes has nothing to do with Marshall's plans. He is a columnists. He is not a representative of the University or even a beat writer for the Herd. Marshall has already stated that it would and can afford to pay it's players as needed to keep up.

What Landon did do is get a lot of hits to his article from people that aren't even fans of schools in the same conference. So, thanks for validating that hack and making it possible for us to have to read more of his drivel in the future.

To associate what he writes as somehow coming from the school, the players, or the fans is asinine and ignorant.

PS I don't blame schools in the AAC from being afraid to play us. Give our AD a call when your ADs sack up.

we will call you when you can hold western kentucky to under 60 points.

(02-23-2015 11:05 PM)MUther Wrote:  What Landon writes has nothing to do with Marshall's plans. He is a columnists. He is not a representative of the University or even a beat writer for the Herd. Marshall has already stated that it would and can afford to pay it's players as needed to keep up.

What Landon did do is get a lot of hits to his article from people that aren't even fans of schools in the same conference. So, thanks for validating that hack and making it possible for us to have to read more of his drivel in the future.

To associate what he writes as somehow coming from the school, the players, or the fans is asinine and ignorant.

PS I don't blame schools in the AAC from being afraid to play us. Give our AD a call when your ADs sack up.

LOLOL Oh look! Another Marshall fan blaming us for their problems. They can't keep up and they say it's our fault. They have to read articles from hacks and they say it's our fault... Talk about needing to sack up.

(02-23-2015 01:26 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  http://www.herald-dispatch.com/sports/x2...g.comments

Quote:The problem appears to be the American Athletic Conference. For some reason it still believes it could join the P5 cartel. So, the AAC definitely is going to fund the cost of attendance allotments.

But that's easier for the AAC because it's the biggest of the G5 leagues with an average enrollment of 38,747 among its eight public universities. The AAC has five of the six biggest schools in the G5, enrollment-wise....

Compare the student fees UCF reaps from its 60,810 enrollment compared to Marshall's at 12,350. That's why MU is falling farther and farther behind.

The USA Today database shows Marshall was in the black during 2006-2011 with a subsidy of only 45.5 percent. But in 2012-13, MU's athletic department was in deficit despite a heightened subsidy rate of 52.42 percent.

Nobody needs to ask that other Chuck named Schwab if the cost of attendance is a bad idea for the Group of Five, in general, and Marshall, in particular.

It's obvious.

The G5 is trying to live a champagne lifestyle on a beer budget.

It can't cash a reality check.

Marshall is so butthurt it's funny...

Don't equate Marshall with Chuck Landon. They are two very separate entities even though Landon may appear to be a huge Herd fan at times in his writings.

(02-23-2015 11:05 PM)MUther Wrote:  What Landon writes has nothing to do with Marshall's plans. He is a columnists. He is not a representative of the University or even a beat writer for the Herd. Marshall has already stated that it would and can afford to pay it's players as needed to keep up.

What Landon did do is get a lot of hits to his article from people that aren't even fans of schools in the same conference. So, thanks for validating that hack and making it possible for us to have to read more of his drivel in the future.

To associate what he writes as somehow coming from the school, the players, or the fans is asinine and ignorant.

PS I don't blame schools in the AAC from being afraid to play us. Give our AD a call when your ADs sack up.

Well, we agree on one thing, MUther: Landon and Marshall are separate from each other. I'm surprised Landon is still at the Herald-Dispatch. I remember him writing for Marshall when UCF was in the MAC.

I'd welcome a home-and-home series with Marshall in football. Bring them on. I'd be fine with taking Furman off our 2015 schedule and playing the Herd as long as the game was at Bright House Networks Stadium (can't have three OOC road games).

(02-24-2015 04:17 AM)Golden Jedi Knight Wrote:  

(02-23-2015 11:05 PM)MUther Wrote:  What Landon writes has nothing to do with Marshall's plans. He is a columnists. He is not a representative of the University or even a beat writer for the Herd. Marshall has already stated that it would and can afford to pay it's players as needed to keep up.

What Landon did do is get a lot of hits to his article from people that aren't even fans of schools in the same conference. So, thanks for validating that hack and making it possible for us to have to read more of his drivel in the future.

To associate what he writes as somehow coming from the school, the players, or the fans is asinine and ignorant.

PS I don't blame schools in the AAC from being afraid to play us. Give our AD a call when your ADs sack up.

Well, we agree on one thing, MUther: Landon and Marshall are separate from each other. I'm surprised Landon is still at the Herald-Dispatch. I remember him writing for Marshall when UCF was in the MAC.

I'd welcome a home-and-home series with Marshall in football. Bring them on. I'd be fine with taking Furman off our 2015 schedule and playing the Herd as long as the game was at Bright House Networks Stadium (can't have three OOC road games).

To be honest, I'm surprised Landon is still there also. He's said a lot of things in recent years that simply isn't true and would get most people fired. Trust me when I say that he doesn't get the "inside" source from Marshall anymore. That goes to the Charleston papers instead.

Landon is the guy that said Ruffin McNeill had no class a few years ago. That's all you need to know about him.

(02-24-2015 07:48 AM)Chappy Wrote:  Landon is the guy that said Ruffin McNeill had no class a few years ago. That's all you need to know about him.

Yep...right here...

http://www.herald-dispatch.com/sports/x7...-low-class

McNeill wanted to retain possession of the ball so Marshall couldn't have it back in the 4th quarter...and Landon labeled that classless.

Landon is a terrible columnist that could only survive in a place like Huntington WV.

As for his point...I'm pretty sure that Marshall and every other G5 school are receiving about $800K more from the college football playoff than they did just a year ago. That in itself should pay for the increased cost of attendance for its athletes. So, in reality, just like in the McNeill case...he doesn't have a clue.

(02-23-2015 11:05 PM)MUther Wrote:  What Landon writes has nothing to do with Marshall's plans. He is a columnists. He is not a representative of the University or even a beat writer for the Herd. Marshall has already stated that it would and can afford to pay it's players as needed to keep up.

What Landon did do is get a lot of hits to his article from people that aren't even fans of schools in the same conference. So, thanks for validating that hack and making it possible for us to have to read more of his drivel in the future.

To associate what he writes as somehow coming from the school, the players, or the fans is asinine and ignorant.

PS I don't blame schools in the AAC from being afraid to play us. Give our AD a call when your ADs sack up.

We'll stick to Mississippi and Kansas, thanks.

(02-23-2015 01:25 PM)oldtiger Wrote:  I don't disagree with anything in that article except student body size. The "problem" is indeed the AAC. The conference members are fully committed to doing whatever is necessary to keep up.....or at least from a public view perspective. We've got the same issues/challenges as every other G5 conference has, but we each have (on the average for public universities) larger student bodies over which to spread the cost. We're just not running out our front door crying "wolf".

Regarding student body size, Landon forgot that the USA database, which we've all used and perhaps he's just now discovered, only includes public universities. I believe that the AAC may have the smallest FBS playing student body in the NCAA in Tulsa.

We also have a higher revenue stream in general than the CUSA crowd. TV money, attendance, bowl revenue, basketball credits, war chest money all exceed the other G5s. It's not our problem. it's theirs. Yes, we have some common interests with them, but we're also different in many ways. Problem is Marshall is the one with eyes too big for their stomach. Not AAC programs. Most of CUSA would be too.

(02-23-2015 01:07 PM)pcm0103 Wrote:  As to the reason why other G5 schools can't afford to adopt the full cost of attendance scholarship allotment. Marshall in particular.

http://www.herald-dispatch.com/sports/x2...g.comments

Landon is a moron and has no clue what is going on within the Marshall athletic department. You guys should know better by now to not rely on anything he says. Marshall announced last week that they fully support COA and will provide that to every student athlete on campus.

Chucks best butthurt work:

Quote:Chuck Landon: Special treatment for Tigers sickening
Feb. 26, 2012 @ 12:19 AM
CHUCK LANDON

I am sick of Memphis.

I am sick of the preferential treatment the Tigers’ basketball program receives.

I am sick of Memphis being the only Conference USA basketball program that gets a home-court advantage on the road.

I am sick of the Tigers’ arrogance.

I am sick of watching officiating crews assess technical fouls on opposing players who are frustrated because they aren’t getting the same calls as Memphis players.

I am sick of the Tigers getting away with traveling nearly every time they make a move to the hoop as though the Memphis on their jerseys means Grizzlies and they are permitted NBA steps.

I am sick of Memphis players and coaches getting away with taunting and chest bumping and grabbing opposing players while officiating crews act like three blind mice.

I am sick of C-USA’s coordinator of officials assigning inept crews to officiate games as significant and as emotional as Marshall vs. Memphis was Saturday at the Henderson Center.

What caused all this bile to boil over?

What else?

It obviously was Marshall’s 87-67 loss to Memphis Saturday before 8,252 fans at the Henderson Center.
Now, having said that permit me to make one point abundantly clear. It in no way, shape or form cost Marshall the game. Memphis deserved to win and the Herd most definitely deserved to lose.

But this isn’t about winning or losing. Instead, this is about right and wrong. And let’s face it. Everybody in C-USA knows Memphis gets away with a lot of wrongs.

Take the MU-Memphis game on Saturday, for example.

With 10:12 remaining, Marshall’s DeAndre Kane fouled Memphis’ Joe Jackson hard on a layup attempt. After hitting the floor, Jackson popped forcefully to his feet with apparent bad intent.
That’s when everything broke loose.

Memphis star Will Barton chest-bumped Kane. Tigers’ head coach Josh Pastner ran onto the floor and put his hands on Marshall players, including Kane. Memphis’ strength and conditioning coach also left the bench area and ran onto the floor.

After the officiating crews watched the videotape on the court-side monitor, they assessed Kane with a flagrant foul. That’s all. Barton got away with his chest-bump. Pastner got away with his breach of coaching etiquette. Memphis got away with everything just like always.

Never mind that Kane’s foul wasn’t flagrant. Never mind that Barton had fouled Kane in exactly the same fashion during the first half and wasn’t called for a flagrant foul. Never mind that Barton also taunted Marshall’s Dennis Tinnon, yet wasn’t punished.

Such is life when a team plays Memphis at home or on the road. It isn’t fair. It isn’t right. But it’s reality.

Again, did that beat Marshall Saturday?

Absolutely not.

This statistic says it all: Marshall allowed 13 slam dunks.

“That’s outrageous,” said Tinnon, after learning of the total. “I’ve played a lot of basketball and I’ve never been in a game where my team gave up 13 dunks.”

Thirteen!

OK, Tom Herrion, when is the last time one of your teams got dunked on 13 times?

“Never,” he replied.

One of his teams probably never played so poorly defensively that the opponent shot 69.2 percent (27-for-39) on two-point field goals, either. But Memphis did Saturday.

So, no, all the preferential treatment didn’t cost MU the game. But it’s still wrong. It’s still unfair. It’s still frustrating.

And I’m still sick of it.

Chuck Landon is a columnist for The Herald-Dispatch. Call him at 304-526-2827 or email him at clandon@herald-dispatch.com.

http://www.herald-dispatch.com/sports/ma...-sickening