(02-24-2015 08:26 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(02-24-2015 01:37 AM)Underdog Wrote:  

(02-24-2015 01:33 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(02-24-2015 01:26 AM)Underdog Wrote:  

(02-24-2015 01:15 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  A better idea: The SEC keeps its own network. Why is the ACC's problem of any concern to the SEC?

How is a joint venture that would make both conferences more money a problem? The best football conference would join forces with the best basketball conference... but I guess you can’t “SEA” the vision....

Football is far more valuable than basketball, so the SEC would lose a lot by trading its superior football appeal for the ACC's superior basketball appeal. From the SEC perspective, it's a loser deal.

I guess this concept is "two deep" for you to “SEA”....

You have not explained how the SEC would benefit by trading its superior football appeal for the ACC's superior basketball appeal. It makes no sense on its face, so an explanation is warranted.

You must be missing the puns. Society as a whole is benefiting.

(02-24-2015 08:26 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(02-24-2015 01:37 AM)Underdog Wrote:  

(02-24-2015 01:33 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(02-24-2015 01:26 AM)Underdog Wrote:  

(02-24-2015 01:15 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  A better idea: The SEC keeps its own network. Why is the ACC's problem of any concern to the SEC?

How is a joint venture that would make both conferences more money a problem? The best football conference would join forces with the best basketball conference... but I guess you can’t “SEA” the vision....

Football is far more valuable than basketball, so the SEC would lose a lot by trading its superior football appeal for the ACC's superior basketball appeal. From the SEC perspective, it's a loser deal.

I guess this concept is "two deep" for you to “SEA”....

You have not explained how the SEC would benefit by trading its superior football appeal for the ACC's superior basketball appeal. It makes no sense on its face, so an explanation is warranted.

Demanding a explanation from me is unwarranted because you don’t have the authority to demand anything from me. With that said, I will respond to you anyway because I do like exchanging dialogue with you and have expressed this in a previous thread: “Is the Big 12 overpaid?” thread if you don’t remember.

Your response indicates that you don’t understand what a joint venture is by using the term “trading.” Adding ACC football content to a “joint network” does not diminish the SEC’s “superior football appeal” any more than adding SEC basketball to a “joint network” would diminish the ACC’s “superior basketball appeal.” For example: GT playing Alabama on a “joint network” in football does not diminish, tarnish, stigmatize, etc… Alabama’s football program and it doesn’t damage the “appeal” of SEC football. Instead, it provides more content and interesting matchups that a “joint network” would be able to provide as oppose to showing less attractive content (because of limited choices) over two different networks. The same principal would apply to ACC and SEC basketball. You obviously missed the point that I made in post #49 that states, “Both conferences [could] play each other more often in ooc games….” This would be a mutual agreement from both conferences in order to provide more content for a “joint network.” Furthermore, I would assume the “joint network” could get more $ per household than the current SECN does in many ACC markets (but I could be wrong about the additional $).....

(02-24-2015 08:42 AM)Maize Wrote:  The SEC would not do a "Joint Venture" and really the ACC would not need it as long as it has the backing of ESPN...But in reality the ACC Network at best will not launch for at the earliest for another 2 Seasons.

The ACC does have a network (that’s what appears on my TV screen). It’s on the same crappy channel that the old SEC Network used on Directv in my area. In fact, it looks exactly like the old SEC Network platform: It has poor broadcasting quality and less interesting matchups. It’s a paid for advertising channel that is used to show ACC games that aren’t aired by ESPN.

(02-24-2015 09:47 AM)nzmorange Wrote:  You must be missing the puns. Society as a whole is benefiting.

Benefiting from your puns? Or was the sentence I highlighted the pun?

(02-24-2015 10:40 AM)Underdog Wrote:  

(02-24-2015 08:26 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(02-24-2015 01:37 AM)Underdog Wrote:  

(02-24-2015 01:33 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(02-24-2015 01:26 AM)Underdog Wrote:  How is a joint venture that would make both conferences more money a problem? The best football conference would join forces with the best basketball conference... but I guess you can’t “SEA” the vision....

Football is far more valuable than basketball, so the SEC would lose a lot by trading its superior football appeal for the ACC's superior basketball appeal. From the SEC perspective, it's a loser deal.

I guess this concept is "two deep" for you to “SEA”....

You have not explained how the SEC would benefit by trading its superior football appeal for the ACC's superior basketball appeal. It makes no sense on its face, so an explanation is warranted.

Demanding a explanation from me is unwarranted because you don’t have the authority to demand anything from me. With that said, I will respond to you anyway because I do like exchanging dialogue with you and have expressed this in a previous thread: “Is the Big 12 overpaid?” thread if you don’t remember.

Your response indicates that you don’t understand what a joint venture is by using the term “trading.” Adding ACC football content to a “joint network” does not diminish the SEC’s “superior football appeal” any more than adding SEC basketball to a “joint network” would diminish the ACC’s “superior basketball appeal.” For example: GT playing Alabama on a “joint network” in football does not diminish, tarnish, stigmatize, etc… Alabama’s football program and it doesn’t damage the “appeal” of SEC football. Instead, it provides more content and interesting matchups that a “joint network” would be able to provide as oppose to showing less attractive content (because of limited choices) over two different networks. The same principal would apply to ACC and SEC basketball. You obviously missed the point that I made in post #49 that states, “Both conferences [could] play each other more often in ooc games….” This would be a mutual agreement from both conferences in order to provide more content for a “joint network.” Furthermore, I would assume the “joint network” could get more $ per household than the current SECN does in many ACC markets (but I could be wrong about the additional $).....

Did it make you feel good to falsely claim that I had "demanded" that you explain all this?

Beyond that, let's look at your explanation:

1) You are wrong in claiming my use of "trading" implies diminishment of either ACC basketball or SEC football. The term referred to what each side distinctively brings to the table that the other has less of, SEC football and ACC basketball.

2) What would be diminished is the amount of money the SEC makes. Here's why. Let's say ACC basketball is worth $4 million media money per team per year, and SEC basketball is worth $2 million per team per year. Combine them, and since both conferences have the same # of members, the value falls to the average, or $3 million per school. Yes, a combined deal would get some new high-value matchups, like Kentucky vs Duke, that you might not otherwise get, but you also get a whole pile of crap, mainly provided by the bad low-value SEC teams, like Mississippi State vs Miami, that nobody wants to see but still has to be paid for and aired. The overall average value of a game drops below what the value of the ACC is but above what the value of the SEC is, so the SEC benefits but the ACC suffers.

Now regarding football, let's say SEC football is worth $25 million per school per year and ACC football is worth $15 million. The same logic applies: Yes, thanks to an SEA we might get FSU vs LSU, but then we also get tons of crap games, mainly thanks to bad, low-value ACC teams, so the combined value is $ 22.5m per school per year.

Thus we see why your SEA works for the ACC but not the SEC. Going it alone, the ACC would make $19m from an ACC network, but $23m from an SEA. But, the SEC would make $27m from its SECN, only $23m from an SEA.

That's why the ACC would be happy to have a JV network with the SEC, but not vice-versa.

(02-24-2015 01:45 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(02-24-2015 09:47 AM)nzmorange Wrote:  You must be missing the puns. Society as a whole is benefiting.

Benefiting from your puns? Or was the sentence I highlighted the pun?

I didn't make any puns.

(02-24-2015 01:53 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(02-24-2015 01:45 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(02-24-2015 09:47 AM)nzmorange Wrote:  You must be missing the puns. Society as a whole is benefiting.

Benefiting from your puns? Or was the sentence I highlighted the pun?

I didn't make any puns.

Well now, this is a conundrum of epic proportions. They're missing puns that were never made?

Hmmm. This is a very interesting dilemma. I must ponder the implications here.

More detail as to what Tanner said:


http://thetandd.com/sports/1ef12246-7037...77372.html

Quote:If the $5 million figure holds, each SEC school should expect a payout of approximately $26 million when the league conducts its annual spring meetings in Destin, Fla., in late May.

"When we first started talking about the SEC Network, they said we would probably realize a benefit in Year 3," Tanner told the Intercollegiate Athletics Committee. "Obviously, it has been more successful than that. This summer, the distribution should be at least $5 million."

As the SEC Network grows, so will ESPN's influence over league matters. In basketball, that means control over tipoff times. Monday night's huge clash between the USC and Tennessee women's team, which will likely decide the SEC regular season title, tips at 9 p.m. ET.

Because of a mounting outcry over late tipoffs, particularly for schools located in the Eastern time zone, Tanner said discussions are ongoing to minimize the number of 9 p.m. tipoffs each school must face each season.

"Conversations ensued before I became AD and they continue to exist," Tanner said. "There has been some action taken to try to limit the number of times a team could appear (at 9 p.m. ET). Last night, Dawn (Staley and the USC women's team) was in the Central time zone (at Arkansas). That game ended at 11 p.m. Eastern, so it was a late night getting home and they were expected to be in class today. We are certainly going to have those conversations going forward at the AD meetings.

"I will continue to try to encourage we avoid that whenever possible."

On a side note, could someone explain to me what SEC Network Plus is?

(02-24-2015 05:58 PM)Dasville Wrote:  On a side note, could someone explain to me what SEC Network Plus is?

The SEC network has 2 alternate channels that are available with the plus package.

(02-24-2015 08:02 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(02-24-2015 05:58 PM)Dasville Wrote:  On a side note, could someone explain to me what SEC Network Plus is?

The SEC network has 2 alternate channels that are available with the plus package.

Does the BiG have something similar?

(02-24-2015 09:07 PM)Dasville Wrote:  

(02-24-2015 08:02 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(02-24-2015 05:58 PM)Dasville Wrote:  On a side note, could someone explain to me what SEC Network Plus is?

The SEC network has 2 alternate channels that are available with the plus package.

Does the BiG have something similar?

Yes. They have overflow channels.

(02-24-2015 05:58 PM)Dasville Wrote:  More detail as to what Tanner said:


http://thetandd.com/sports/1ef12246-7037...77372.html

Quote:If the $5 million figure holds, each SEC school should expect a payout of approximately $26 million when the league conducts its annual spring meetings in Destin, Fla., in late May.

"When we first started talking about the SEC Network, they said we would probably realize a benefit in Year 3," Tanner told the Intercollegiate Athletics Committee. "Obviously, it has been more successful than that. This summer, the distribution should be at least $5 million."

As the SEC Network grows, so will ESPN's influence over league matters. In basketball, that means control over tipoff times. Monday night's huge clash between the USC and Tennessee women's team, which will likely decide the SEC regular season title, tips at 9 p.m. ET.

Because of a mounting outcry over late tipoffs, particularly for schools located in the Eastern time zone, Tanner said discussions are ongoing to minimize the number of 9 p.m. tipoffs each school must face each season.

"Conversations ensued before I became AD and they continue to exist," Tanner said. "There has been some action taken to try to limit the number of times a team could appear (at 9 p.m. ET). Last night, Dawn (Staley and the USC women's team) was in the Central time zone (at Arkansas). That game ended at 11 p.m. Eastern, so it was a late night getting home and they were expected to be in class today. We are certainly going to have those conversations going forward at the AD meetings.

"I will continue to try to encourage we avoid that whenever possible."

On a side note, could someone explain to me what SEC Network Plus is?

(02-24-2015 09:08 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(02-24-2015 09:07 PM)Dasville Wrote:  

(02-24-2015 08:02 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(02-24-2015 05:58 PM)Dasville Wrote:  On a side note, could someone explain to me what SEC Network Plus is?

The SEC network has 2 alternate channels that are available with the plus package.

Does the BiG have something similar?

Yes. They have overflow channels.

Thank you! Are they on a different tier then the basic channel? Is the SECN Network Plus and B1G overflow channels in the same package for most service providers?

(02-24-2015 09:19 PM)Dasville Wrote:  

(02-24-2015 05:58 PM)Dasville Wrote:  More detail as to what Tanner said:


http://thetandd.com/sports/1ef12246-7037...77372.html

Quote:If the $5 million figure holds, each SEC school should expect a payout of approximately $26 million when the league conducts its annual spring meetings in Destin, Fla., in late May.

"When we first started talking about the SEC Network, they said we would probably realize a benefit in Year 3," Tanner told the Intercollegiate Athletics Committee. "Obviously, it has been more successful than that. This summer, the distribution should be at least $5 million."

As the SEC Network grows, so will ESPN's influence over league matters. In basketball, that means control over tipoff times. Monday night's huge clash between the USC and Tennessee women's team, which will likely decide the SEC regular season title, tips at 9 p.m. ET.

Because of a mounting outcry over late tipoffs, particularly for schools located in the Eastern time zone, Tanner said discussions are ongoing to minimize the number of 9 p.m. tipoffs each school must face each season.

"Conversations ensued before I became AD and they continue to exist," Tanner said. "There has been some action taken to try to limit the number of times a team could appear (at 9 p.m. ET). Last night, Dawn (Staley and the USC women's team) was in the Central time zone (at Arkansas). That game ended at 11 p.m. Eastern, so it was a late night getting home and they were expected to be in class today. We are certainly going to have those conversations going forward at the AD meetings.

"I will continue to try to encourage we avoid that whenever possible."

On a side note, could someone explain to me what SEC Network Plus is?

(02-24-2015 09:08 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(02-24-2015 09:07 PM)Dasville Wrote:  

(02-24-2015 08:02 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(02-24-2015 05:58 PM)Dasville Wrote:  On a side note, could someone explain to me what SEC Network Plus is?

The SEC network has 2 alternate channels that are available with the plus package.

Does the BiG have something similar?

Yes. They have overflow channels.

Thank you! Are they on a different tier then the basic channel? Is the SECN Network Plus and B1G overflow channels in the same package for most service providers?

In Baton Rouge, the SEC plus channel is on the same tier.

SEC Plus comes with the sports package in Knoxville too. All SECN channels come with the sports package in SEC country.

I'd imagine it's the same with the BTN in B1G country.

(02-24-2015 09:07 PM)Dasville Wrote:  Thank you! Are they on a different tier then the basic channel? Is the SECN Network Plus and B1G overflow channels in the same package for most service providers?

Can't speak for the sec network since I have sports tiered package, but I used to have a more basic package when I had cable and the big ten alternative channels were on the same tier, expanded basic. I live outside of the big ten marker but right in the border.