(02-19-2015 02:27 PM)ken d Wrote: (02-19-2015 02:26 PM)nzmorange Wrote: (02-19-2015 02:21 PM)CommuterBob Wrote: http://www.landgrantholyland.com/2015/2/...basketball
for both football and men's hoops. Would be an interesting challenge to the NBA's one-and-done rule.
http://www.sbnation.com/college-basketba...1424372900
I am 100% behind this rule.
If I could be more than 100% behind it, I would.
if you are from chicago or Louisiana you can be behind it 100% * how many times you vote
and I am 100% for this rule eve if it is for P5 only
most of the one and done players turn out to be knuckleheads IMO anyway
everyone remembers the ones that manage to play for a year and somehow stay out of jail and then get drafted, but few remember or even really know about all the ones that went to college ball with the intention of being a "one and done" (because dey mad skillz fo ril!) and then 20 games into the first season either could not keep out of trouble or could not remain academically eligible for the next season and either had to take a seat on the bench the next season, went to jail or failed out or "transferred" to somewhere else
those are the "players" I have no interest in ever seeing set foot on a college campus
also this rule will probably end up a disaster for G5 teams if they decide to NOT implement it while the P5 DOES imperilment it
take a look at two very different coaches and two programs that are dissimilar, but that COULD be similar
UT and Indiana
Bobby Knight while at Indiana (and even at Texas Tech) actively worked to AVOID AT ALL COST one and done players and would not even talk to most of them
at Indiana he ran a complex system that relied one coaching and TEAMWORK and he was able to obtain and sustain success by getting young raw players that would stay FOR THE LONG TERM and working them into a well oiled system as soon as they were ready
Rick Barnes at UT has had some very good recruits over the years like Kevin Durant, LaMarcus Aldridge and DJ Augistine and Daniel Gibson, but he was never able to keep then for more than 2 seasons or 1 season for Durant
two of those were 05-06 and one was 07 and one was 07-08
if he had been able to keep all of them for at least three (much less 4 or 5) years he would have had something especially in 07 with all 4 of them on the team
and Texas is not able to do like Kentucky or even Kansas or others and recruit 3-4 of those players in a single class and hopefully hang on to at least a couple of them for longer than a year or two.....so they never get over the hump
and that is at TEXAS
now imagine that for a G5 program and the sheer number of G5 programs and kids wanting to stay close to home for their single college season ect
there will be VERY FEW if any G5 teams that will be able to draw enough of those players for the short term REPEATEDLY to have an impact for the long term and few of those programs will be able to weather the storm of failouts and plain knuckleheads that comes with "one and done" players
I do not have the stats and I am not going to try and compile them, but I would guess (and I may well be wrong) that of one could look at programs and players that were true "one and done" (much less those with the one and done attitude and questionable actual skills) the reality is the vast majority of "one and done" players would be bust and or grade issues or even crime issues and G5 programs are not going to be able to work against that tide of players like that over the long term
then you add in the case of a "one and done" that turns out to be good, but not a true "one and done", but that is "done" in the classroom or that is "done" as far as second chances and 3rd chances and 5th chances for "personal issues" at their current school, but is not "going to the big time" because they still have WORK (as in actual work not crime) to do and so they either make the mistake of "going small time" in Europe or they go to community college or to a lower division to get their grades and or "issues" in order......those players are NOT going back to a G5 school when the get their grades and or personal life squared away.....they are going to go to KU or UK or Duke or UNC or elsewhere that is "big time" for their last season or two
so in effect the G5 school will have had all the bad side of that player and none of the benefit of that player when they mature and get it together for chance number (infinity)
and as for the pros the reason the veterans are against players right out of HS is because they know as much as anyone that NBA owners and their check books are their own worst enemy
they are just like a college team dealing with "one and dones"......they will take a chance on a draft choice.......many will be a bust.....and many more will show "just enough" to get a big contract while they are still young, but the VAST majority instead of being Dirk Nortwitzie or kobe bryant will turn out to be an idiot that gets lazy after their big second contract and they will be a long term expensive bust......and 100% of them money they get will be at the expense of a player that has either worked hard the whole time and remained in the league or that woke up late in life and realized if they did more work they could get a decent to big 3rd contract or even get a 4th or 5th contract for decent money instead of being a salary cap hit to make way for a "potential" (most likely bust) very young and still raw and immature second contract player
the LONG TERM players and the SEASONED veterans run the players association and they have seen enough young guys come in as rookies and bust out without a second contract (and the damage that did to their team) and enough young guys that did just enough to get a big second contract (before they busted out and the MAJOR damage that did to the teams and the veterans that got CUT to make room for that fool) to know that they do not want to let NBA owners and GMs (and their check book) anywhere near young guys with "potential" because that money and potential comes at the expense of a veteran and a guy that has worked hard to remain in the league