Planets were called "wandering stars" in ancient times. This was because all other stars in the sky do not move or change position. They are all one giant background that moves as one thing.

The 5 visible planets are the only "stars" that ever changed position in the night sky. They pass through the same 12 constellations the sun does as seen from earth. The bible calls this the "Mazzaroth", secularists and pagans renamed it the "zodiac".

These 5 visible planets are all that changes in the night sky, other than the sun and moon. 2 of them are inside our orbit, so they appear from earth to orbit the sun very tightly like almost like moons. We only seem them in the low horizon at dusk or dawn, and they fall below view quickly.

The other 3 (Mars, Jupiter, Saturn) are all outside our orbit and dance across all 12 constellations and the whole night sky.

These 3 will come to a complete stop and move backwards for weeks at a time, then stand still for days and slowly begin to move forward again. Their movements are massively complicated.

This is why they were called "wandering" stars in Greek and Roman times. They seemed to wander aimlessly and almost randomly through the 12 constellations.

Understanding these things will help you see how there are only 12 possible constellations the sun, moon and planets pass through, and there is only one woman in those 12. Virgo is also identified woman in ancient Roman, Greek, Hebrew, Egyptian, Sumerian, etc. Its one of the largest constellations in the sky that moves across the night sky every spring and summer.

The text specifically refers to a SIGN of a WOMAN in the SKY, and specifically points to the SUN, THE MOON and the STARS.

Curious Eric, is this a weekly subject of discussion at your church or among your friends?

And a few other questions:
- How do you know that the woman mentioned in Revelation is referring to a constellation?
- And wasn't the constellation Virgo first cataloged by the Greek astronomer Ptolemy in the 2nd century? Revelation was reportedly written sometime between 69-96 in the first century.
- And don't constellations (which aren't really things anyway other than basically mnemonics to remember star locations by and/or to help farmers determining planting/reaping cycles) change over time? The current constellations were formally drawn in 1929 by the International Astronomical Union (IAU) which adopted official constellation boundaries that defined the 88 official constellations that exist today.

(09-05-2017 01:57 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Curious Eric, is this a weekly subject of discussion at your church or among your friends?

And a few other questions:
- How do you know that the woman mentioned in Revelation is referring to a constellation?
- And wasn't the constellation Virgo first cataloged by the Greek astronomer Ptolemy in the 2nd century? Revelation was reportedly written sometime between 69-96 in the first century.
- And don't constellations (which aren't really things anyway other than basically mnemonics to remember star locations by and/or to help farmers determining planting/reaping cycles) change over time? The current constellations were formally drawn in 1929 by the International Astronomical Union (IAU) which adopted official constellation boundaries that defined the 88 official constellations that exist today.

1- There is no other woman in the sky that can be clothed in the sun, moon at her feet and a crown of stars at her head. For anyone with a basic background in astronomy, its blatantly obvious. The text itself even says its a sign in the sky. Gen 1:14 says YHWH put the sun, moon and stars in the heavens for SIGNS.

2- The constellation Virgo has been known by Sumerians, Babylonians, Egyptians, Greeks, Romans, etc. They all identified her as a woman. Its one of the most famous and well known constellations in history.

3- No, the constellations themselves have not changed in all of human history. Man has changed his views of based on different cultures and pagan astrology, but the most famous constellations stick out like a sore thumb, particularity the 12 the sun, moon and planets pass through.


In other words, Virgo is not something we just made up in recent times to fit this bible verse, its been known in all major cultures for 5000 years.

Much like the constellation Orion which the pyramids were based upon 4500 years ago.

(09-05-2017 02:27 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(09-05-2017 01:57 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Curious Eric, is this a weekly subject of discussion at your church or among your friends?

And a few other questions:
- How do you know that the woman mentioned in Revelation is referring to a constellation?
- And wasn't the constellation Virgo first cataloged by the Greek astronomer Ptolemy in the 2nd century? Revelation was reportedly written sometime between 69-96 in the first century.
- And don't constellations (which aren't really things anyway other than basically mnemonics to remember star locations by and/or to help farmers determining planting/reaping cycles) change over time? The current constellations were formally drawn in 1929 by the International Astronomical Union (IAU) which adopted official constellation boundaries that defined the 88 official constellations that exist today.

1- There is no other woman in the sky that can be clothed in the sun, moon at her feet and a crown of stars at her head. For anyone with a basic background in astronomy, its blatantly obvious. The text itself even says its a sign in the sky. Gen 1:14 says YHWH put the sun, moon and stars in the heavens for SIGNS.

2- The constellation Virgo has been known by Sumerians, Babylonians, Egyptians, Greeks, Romans, etc. They all identified her as a woman. Its one of the most famous and well known constellations in history.

3- No, the constellations themselves have not changed in all of human history. Man has changed his views of based on different cultures and pagan astrology, but the most famous constellations stick out like a sore thumb, particularity the 12 the sun, moon and planets pass through.


In other words, Virgo is not something we just made up in recent times to fit this bible verse, its been known in all major cultures for 5000 years.

Much like the constellation Orion which the pyramids were based upon 4500 years ago.

Eric, I'm going to address this as kindly as I can. I am a Christian. I have no doubt about what will happen to my soul when I die.

That said you aren't an authority on prophecy. You should be careful what you post. The Bible says we can't know the time or day. I know you haven't but you are getting close to predictions with your calculations.

Also, unless I missed it you haven't addressed Tom's question. There's no guarantee that Rev 12 is referencing a constellation. It's an intriguing interpretation, I'll give you that much. I even forwarded the original videos to a friend who is really into prophecy.

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(08-28-2017 02:47 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(08-28-2017 02:28 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Haven't you gone to painstaking detail to assert that this is not some sign of the end times? Sure seems like you're showing a different take with these comments.

quite the opposite

You are confusing signs of the last days with date setting a rapture/tribulation.

closely related though, no? what's 7 years in the grand scheme?

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(09-06-2017 04:12 PM)Hood-rich Wrote:  Eric, I'm going to address this as kindly as I can. I am a Christian. I have no doubt about what will happen to my soul when I die.

That said you aren't an authority on prophecy. You should be careful what you post. The Bible says we can't know the time or day. I know you haven't but you are getting close to predictions with your calculations.

Also, unless I missed it you haven't addressed Tom's question. There's no guarantee that Rev 12 is referencing a constellation. It's an intriguing interpretation, I'll give you that much. I even forwarded the original videos to a friend who is really into prophecy.

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Well I am a Christian too and I am going to respond as kind as I can as well my friend, as always.

Its really silly for you to even bring up the day and hour stuff when you already know I have said 1000 times here I am not predicting the day and hour of anything.

Now lets get 100% HONEST here.....

There is no 100% "guarantee" that you can point to that Christ is real or is coming back, You looked at the evidence and now believe what you believe based on the facts, evidence and faith. Whether its 100% guaranteed is NOT the issue here. The issue is the overwhelming evidence.

We don't have to create some fancy interpretation to understand there is a woman in the sky clothed with the sun and the moon at her feet.

That is simply what the text says WORD for WORD.

In fact, you would need to come up with some REALLY fancy interpretation to make it mean anything other that what it says.....A woman in the sky, clothed with the sun and the moon at her feet.

I'm not the one who said its a SIGN involving the SUN, MOON and STARS.

That is what the text of Rev 12:1 says WORD FOR WORD. That is also one of the signs Christ told us to look for WORD for WORD.

The burden is on YOU to come up with a reason why its NOT a sign in the SUN, MOON, and STARS just like the text says. And its going to need to be a SERIOUS whopper to change the text that dramatically.


EDIT---Turns out you a big fat lying troll who is not remotely a Christian at all. You are massive pathological liar and a troll. And everyone on the beard now knows that.

I don't think any of us are arguing that it wasn't a sign seen in the heavens by the author of Revelation. We just can't say with 100% certainly that it was the constellation Virgo. And while Virgo may have been known by some people 2,000 years ago, I think it's tenuous to assume the writer was without a doubt referring to it.

That's all.

(09-07-2017 09:05 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  I don't think any of us are arguing that it wasn't a sign seen in the heavens by the author of Revelation. We just can't say with 100% certainly that it was the constellation Virgo. And while Virgo may have been known by some people 2,000 years ago, I think it's tenuous to assume the writer was without a doubt referring to it.

That's all.

As was just said in the previous comment, no one is arguing about anything being 100%.

That is just a straw man and deflection.

(09-07-2017 01:09 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(09-07-2017 09:05 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  I don't think any of us are arguing that it wasn't a sign seen in the heavens by the author of Revelation. We just can't say with 100% certainly that it was the constellation Virgo. And while Virgo may have been known by some people 2,000 years ago, I think it's tenuous to assume the writer was without a doubt referring to it.

That's all.

As was just said in the previous comment, no one is arguing about anything being 100%.

That is just a straw man and deflection.

Fine, but you sure seem to be digging in your heels quite a bit for something that's not 100%.

(09-07-2017 01:31 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(09-07-2017 01:09 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(09-07-2017 09:05 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  I don't think any of us are arguing that it wasn't a sign seen in the heavens by the author of Revelation. We just can't say with 100% certainly that it was the constellation Virgo. And while Virgo may have been known by some people 2,000 years ago, I think it's tenuous to assume the writer was without a doubt referring to it.

That's all.

As was just said in the previous comment, no one is arguing about anything being 100%.

That is just a straw man and deflection.

Fine, but you sure seem to be digging in your heels quite a bit for something that's not 100%.

Your darn right I am digging my heels in on the evidence now. Its been YEARS now and here we are 3 weeks away. And no one can refute or debunk ANY of it, and there is an overwhelming amount of evidence and facts.

Still, nothing is 100%. Even if its sitting at 99.99999999%

(09-07-2017 01:48 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(09-07-2017 01:31 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(09-07-2017 01:09 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(09-07-2017 09:05 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  I don't think any of us are arguing that it wasn't a sign seen in the heavens by the author of Revelation. We just can't say with 100% certainly that it was the constellation Virgo. And while Virgo may have been known by some people 2,000 years ago, I think it's tenuous to assume the writer was without a doubt referring to it.

That's all.

As was just said in the previous comment, no one is arguing about anything being 100%.

That is just a straw man and deflection.

Fine, but you sure seem to be digging in your heels quite a bit for something that's not 100%.

Your darn right I am digging my heels in on the evidence now. Its been YEARS now and here we are 3 weeks away. And no one can refute or debunk ANY of it, and there is an overwhelming amount of evidence and facts.

Still, nothing is 100%. Even if its sitting at 99.99999999%

It's not.

(09-07-2017 02:13 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(09-07-2017 01:48 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(09-07-2017 01:31 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(09-07-2017 01:09 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(09-07-2017 09:05 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  I don't think any of us are arguing that it wasn't a sign seen in the heavens by the author of Revelation. We just can't say with 100% certainly that it was the constellation Virgo. And while Virgo may have been known by some people 2,000 years ago, I think it's tenuous to assume the writer was without a doubt referring to it.

That's all.

As was just said in the previous comment, no one is arguing about anything being 100%.

That is just a straw man and deflection.

Fine, but you sure seem to be digging in your heels quite a bit for something that's not 100%.

Your darn right I am digging my heels in on the evidence now. Its been YEARS now and here we are 3 weeks away. And no one can refute or debunk ANY of it, and there is an overwhelming amount of evidence and facts.

Still, nothing is 100%. Even if its sitting at 99.99999999%

It's not.

That's cool. We can just agree to disagree about all of it.

Nibiru related at all?

(09-09-2017 01:17 AM)DexterDevil Wrote:  Nibiru related at all?

Can't really say unless the Dragon is what people call Nibiru.

There is an unexplained object at Virgo's feet. And it looks like it will be literally face to face with Jupiter on the day of the sign. Google sky is blocking it out and now so is NASA on its public sky view programs.

Anyone can pull up google sky, click the infared button and see this being blocked themselves.

https://godinanutshell.com/2017/01/17/red-dragon/







Its impossible to know how far out this is from the sun relative to Jupiter, but they will be face to face in a few weeks in the night sky.

It could be absolutely nothing, then again it could be the Dragon of Rev 12.

Its seems rather impossible that there is this one unexplained object out of the entire sky and its right in this exact spot.

(09-09-2017 02:49 AM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(09-09-2017 01:17 AM)DexterDevil Wrote:  Nibiru related at all?

Can't really say unless the Dragon is what people call Nibiru.

There is an unexplained object at Virgo's feet. And it looks like it will be literally face to face with Jupiter on the day of the sign. Google sky is blocking it out and now so is NASA on its public sky view programs.

Anyone can pull up google sky, click the infared button and see this being blocked themselves.

https://godinanutshell.com/2017/01/17/red-dragon/







Its impossible to know how far out this is from the sun relative to Jupiter, but they will be face to face in a few weeks in the night sky.

It could be absolutely nothing, then again it could be the Dragon of Rev 12.

Its seems rather impossible that there is this one unexplained object out of the entire sky and its right in this exact spot.

Some conspiracy theorists make the comparison of nibiru and its dwarf brown star to revelations, also involves Sumerians, the pyramids, and a 3,600 year cycle.

(09-09-2017 03:23 AM)DexterDevil Wrote:  

(09-09-2017 02:49 AM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(09-09-2017 01:17 AM)DexterDevil Wrote:  Nibiru related at all?

Can't really say unless the Dragon is what people call Nibiru.

There is an unexplained object at Virgo's feet. And it looks like it will be literally face to face with Jupiter on the day of the sign. Google sky is blocking it out and now so is NASA on its public sky view programs.

Anyone can pull up google sky, click the infared button and see this being blocked themselves.

https://godinanutshell.com/2017/01/17/red-dragon/







Its impossible to know how far out this is from the sun relative to Jupiter, but they will be face to face in a few weeks in the night sky.

It could be absolutely nothing, then again it could be the Dragon of Rev 12.

Its seems rather impossible that there is this one unexplained object out of the entire sky and its right in this exact spot.

Some conspiracy theorists make the comparison of nibiru and its dwarf brown star to revelations, also involves Sumerians, the pyramids, and a 3,600 year cycle.

Being a bible believing Christian, I don't put much value in secular or Sumerian conspiracy theories, but there is no doubt the bible lays out major celestial based catastrophes in the end times.

There is some evidence that the Pyramid and the bible are connected based on some OT prophecies. And there is an alignment with Jupiter and the Pyramid star shafts on 9-20, 3 days before the Rev 12 alignment.

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