(02-09-2015 02:15 PM)MUsince96 Wrote: I used to root for both until the constant Marshall bashing, which is borderline angry and aggressive, just got too annoying.
I'm pretty indifferent these days. I don't root against them, but I'm not rooting for them either. Unless I'm around an obnoxious fan then I'd like to see them lose.
I know Marshall had a pretty good showing in Dallas when they played SMU. They brought more fans than we expected.
(02-08-2015 12:55 AM)AntiG Wrote: Rutgers and Syracuse I suppose, but it was never much of one because Rutgers stunk when Syracuse was relevant, and Syracuse has stunk ever since Rutgers became relevant in the early 2000s. The fanbases pretty much despise each other though.
As hard as it is to believe as poor as it typically is but the Big 10 is still a P5 conference.
(02-09-2015 12:00 PM)Sparkster Wrote: I still love the Syracuse/Rutgers post. My original reply was deleted. Those basically are two G5 programs. Who knows where the Syracuse hoops program would be without cheating.
Sure buddy...and UCLA is so virtuous. UCLA is one of the dirtiest programs in history.
"If the UCLA teams of the late 1960s and early 1970s were subjected to the kind of scrutiny Jerry Tarkanian and his players have been, UCLA would probably have to forfeit about eight national titles and be on probation for the next 100 years." Who would so slander UCLA, particularly during the era of saintly coach John Wooden? Their own legendary center, Bill Walton. Booster Sam Gilbert funneled so much money to players that NCAA probationary poster boy Jerry Tarkanian quipped, "The only team with a higher payroll was the Lakers." The NCAA didn't take action until 1981, by which point Wooden and his ten titles had been retired for six years.
UCLA, 1995: The Bruins Are Back
How quickly the stained can become clean and then stained again. In 1981, the NCAA finally ordered UCLA to cut all ties with Sam Gilbert, leading to fourteen mediocre seasons. In 1995, however, coach Jim Harrick won the school's eleventh (and first non-Wooden) title, with nary a hint of scandal even allowing for star Ed O'Bannon having transferred from UNLV after the Rebels went on probation. A year later, Harrick was fired. Why? He lied to the university about an expense report. Harrick quickly lost all sense of ethics and settled at Georgia University, where it was revealed his son Jim Jr. taught players a class featuring exam questions like this one: "How many points does a three-point field goal account for?" Even worse: It was a multiple-choice test. The players got A's, while Harrick received a $254,166 severance package.
(02-08-2015 10:14 AM)johnbragg Wrote: VT-ECU is signed for about ten years, but I don't think anyone in Hokies Nation considers ECU a rival or vice versa. It's a good nonconference game, but I think VT fans feel about the same as if VT had signed a 7-games-in-10-years series with Tennessee or Pitt or West Virginia or Iowa. (Am I wrong? Did VT and ECU play every year pre-Big East Football Conference, or just pretty regularly as most southern/eastern independents did?)
ECU and VT have played fairly regularly since 1987.
We played every year from 87 to 94, then played in 96, 98 & 2000, and then from 2007-11 and 2013-present.
It was a pretty even series until the birth of the BCS, which hampered our ability to recruit.
9 games have been played in Blacksburg, 8 have been played in Greenville, and 1 in Charlotte. VT leads the series 13-6.
Even though the schools combined to bring 72,000 fans to Charlotte (I'll remind people unfamiliar with North Carolina that Charlotte is a 4-hour drive from Greenville and a shade under 3-hours from Blacksburg) , I wouldn't consider it a rivalry. It's a good relationship and they are one of our bigger draws, but there's not the same level of bad blood or family division as there is with us and NC State.
NC State played us every season from 1970 to 1987, ALWAYS in Raleigh. We were 6-12 in those games despite playing on the road EVERY SINGLE TIME. After some bad behavior, the series was suspended and we didn't meet again until the 1992 Peach Bowl, a game ECU came from behind to win.
Not long after that, the series was resumed in 1996 partially because of legislative threats but mainly because both schools like to make money. The series resumed in Charlotte in front of 70,000 wet fans (it rained and rained and rained), which at the time was the largest crowd to watch a college football game in the state of North Carolina.
Since that game, we've played 4 times in Raleigh and 3 times in Greenville (also 1 more time in Charlotte). The Wolfpack only lead the Pirates 16-12 in the series, which is impressive given how many more resources the Wolfpack have and the high percentage of games in Raleigh.
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(02-09-2015 12:00 PM)Sparkster Wrote: I still love the Syracuse/Rutgers post. My original reply was deleted. Those basically are two G5 programs. Who knows where the Syracuse hoops program would be without cheating.
Sure buddy...and UCLA is so virtuous. UCLA is one of the dirtiest programs in history.
"If the UCLA teams of the late 1960s and early 1970s were subjected to the kind of scrutiny Jerry Tarkanian and his players have been, UCLA would probably have to forfeit about eight national titles and be on probation for the next 100 years." Who would so slander UCLA, particularly during the era of saintly coach John Wooden? Their own legendary center, Bill Walton. Booster Sam Gilbert funneled so much money to players that NCAA probationary poster boy Jerry Tarkanian quipped, "The only team with a higher payroll was the Lakers." The NCAA didn't take action until 1981, by which point Wooden and his ten titles had been retired for six years.
UCLA, 1995: The Bruins Are Back
How quickly the stained can become clean and then stained again. In 1981, the NCAA finally ordered UCLA to cut all ties with Sam Gilbert, leading to fourteen mediocre seasons. In 1995, however, coach Jim Harrick won the school's eleventh (and first non-Wooden) title, with nary a hint of scandal even allowing for star Ed O'Bannon having transferred from UNLV after the Rebels went on probation. A year later, Harrick was fired. Why? He lied to the university about an expense report. Harrick quickly lost all sense of ethics and settled at Georgia University, where it was revealed his son Jim Jr. taught players a class featuring exam questions like this one: "How many points does a three-point field goal account for?" Even worse: It was a multiple-choice test. The players got A's, while Harrick received a $254,166 severance package.
A little sensitive. The guilt must lead you to post this. I know it hurts that this will be coach lemon's legacy. You might get your reputation back in twenty five years.
(02-08-2015 10:14 AM)johnbragg Wrote: Going through the wikipedia list, the only P5-G5 rivalries with games scheduled are
ECU-NC STate qualifies, with games scheduled for 2016 and 2019
Utah-Utah State
and SMU-TCU, Utah-BYU and Navy-Notre DAme
I'm probably missing some because they didn't get put on the wikipedia list.
I'm not sure an "every now and then" game counts as a rivalry. VT-ECU is signed for about ten years, but I don't think anyone in Hokies Nation considers ECU a rival or vice versa. It's a good nonconference game, but I think VT fans feel about the same as if VT had signed a 7-games-in-10-years series with Tennessee or Pitt or West Virginia or Iowa. (Am I wrong? Did VT and ECU play every year pre-Big East Football Conference, or just pretty regularly as most southern/eastern independents did?)
BC and UConn fans hate each other, but they don't play, so :shrug:
If it's not important enough that the fanbase pressures the AD to schedule the game, it's not a rivalry. WVU-Marshall was less a rivalry than a (forced?) act of local charity.
Yeah ECU-VT isn't a rivalry. We did play annually or nearly annually before they joined the Big East, and we have played a bunch recently and going forward, but there's no hate on either side. ECU-NC State is a rivalry, and some State fans try to pretend it isn't and try to pretend they don't care but they absolutely do and it burns them up inside. ECU-UNC is a one sided thing from the ECU side. NC State fans try to pretend they don't care about ECU, but UNC fans truly don't care. ECU fans desperately want to beat UNC and UNC fans really couldn't care less.
For instance Clemson and Furman have met more often than some of Clemson's longtime ACC foes such as North Carolina. I am sure that is a product mostly of the older pre-ACC Southern Conference, but their meetings were very regular even through the mid 1960's.
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(02-09-2015 07:50 AM)CardFan1 Wrote: While it would sure help Their cause to get a P5 upgrade possibly in the Big 12 or maybe an ACC invite , Louisville Vs Cincinnati and Memphis have had a long term rivalry together. I'm sure games here and there are in the future, They would greatly increase the chances with P5 invites for both of Them.
Louisville v Memphis was an awesome rivalry. It goes back to the MVC days. I don't know the full history, but Dana Kirk was an assistant at Louisville. He left for Memphis, and apparently soured things so much on his way out the door that it jacked the dislike through the roof. Another thing about it in the old Metro days was that so many games had these really crazy or bizarre finishes. Kentucky was Louisville's biggest rival, but most of the time the games weren't down to the last minute affairs where you saw four or five lead changes in the final thirty seconds. It seems like there were several games in a row where that was the case for Louisville v Memphis.
When the two met in the CUSA Championship in 2005, it was a fitting way for those two to go out with the freethrows. I hated to see the series end, because the games were always so much fun. They really should have kept playing each other, but the two athletic departments were at odds (at least that's what I understand). Some Louisville fans with more knowledge may correct me, but Memphis felt like Louisville was leaving them behind, and actually worked against them to keep them out of the Big East. Memphis then delayed Louisville (or at the very least complicated things for Louisville) when they tried to leave CUSA for the Big East. The two resented each other, and simply didn't play.
I believe they are starting a ten year series in basketball next year. That's cool, but it's not the same. There are OOC rivalries, but it's not the same as a conference rivalry.
As for Cincinnati, I always considered that more of a showcase game than a rivalry. It was a good game and series, but I don't think those two really hated each other the way Louisville and Memphis did. I actually don't think UL and UC hated each other at all.
I'm more basketball than football, but here are some non-rivalries that would instantly be rivalries....
Wichita State v Kansas (or Kansas State)
Cincinnati v Ohio State
Maryland v Georgetown - this one has a funny, almost childish history to it as to why they haven't played in over twenty years. Some people have long memories. So long that they're still pissed about something that happened before any of the current players were even born.
Indiana v Butler (although they don play fairly regularly now)
Gonzaga v Washington - another series that ended because of stupid logic
SMU v Texas (in basketball, of course)
Buffalo v Syracuse. I don't know if this one would have any traction as a rivalry or not, but I find it amusing that Syracuse likes to market itself as New York's college team, and Buffalo is now literally trying to not just market itself, but CALL itself "New York." Their jerseys and courts now say "New York" instead of "Buffalo." Buffalo ain't bad either. They're getting better under Hurley, and could be the kind of team you see that can make the NCAA Tournament without having to win the conference tournament in a very short time.
Xavier v Ohio State. This one may be a one way rivalry because I don't think Ohio State would resent Xavier as much as Xavier would resent them, but XU is still pissed at Thad Matta for leaving, even though it was ten years ago. They don't like it when you leave the family, I guess. Still more often than not both programs are NCAA Tournament caliber teams. They really should play at least occasionally.
Southern Miss v Ole Miss or Mississippi State. This would have been more relevant when Southern Miss was actually better than both schools in both football and basketball. They've kind of fallen off the face of the Earth though.
(02-10-2015 05:34 PM)David HD Wrote: I'm more basketball than football, but here are some non-rivalries that would instantly be rivalries....
Wichita State v Kansas (or Kansas State)
Cincinnati v Ohio State
Maryland v Georgetown - this one has a funny, almost childish history to it as to why they haven't played in over twenty years. Some people have long memories. So long that they're still pissed about something that happened before any of the current players were even born.
Indiana v Butler (although they don play fairly regularly now)
Gonzaga v Washington - another series that ended because of stupid logic
SMU v Texas (in basketball, of course)
Buffalo v Syracuse. I don't know if this one would have any traction as a rivalry or not, but I find it amusing that Syracuse likes to market itself as New York's college team, and Buffalo is now literally trying to not just market itself, but CALL itself "New York." Their jerseys and courts now say "New York" instead of "Buffalo." Buffalo ain't bad either. They're getting better under Hurley, and could be the kind of team you see that can make the NCAA Tournament without having to win the conference tournament in a very short time.
Xavier v Ohio State. This one may be a one way rivalry because I don't think Ohio State would resent Xavier as much as Xavier would resent them, but XU is still pissed at Thad Matta for leaving, even though it was ten years ago. They don't like it when you leave the family, I guess. Still more often than not both programs are NCAA Tournament caliber teams. They really should play at least occasionally.
Southern Miss v Ole Miss or Mississippi State. This would have been more relevant when Southern Miss was actually better than both schools in both football and basketball. They've kind of fallen off the face of the Earth though.
LOL at Ohio State ever getting the balls to play an in state team that could beat them.
(02-09-2015 07:50 AM)CardFan1 Wrote: While it would sure help Their cause to get a P5 upgrade possibly in the Big 12 or maybe an ACC invite , Louisville Vs Cincinnati and Memphis have had a long term rivalry together. I'm sure games here and there are in the future, They would greatly increase the chances with P5 invites for both of Them.
Louisville v Memphis was an awesome rivalry. It goes back to the MVC days. I don't know the full history, but Dana Kirk was an assistant at Louisville. He left for Memphis, and apparently soured things so much on his way out the door that it jacked the dislike through the roof. Another thing about it in the old Metro days was that so many games had these really crazy or bizarre finishes. Kentucky was Louisville's biggest rival, but most of the time the games weren't down to the last minute affairs where you saw four or five lead changes in the final thirty seconds. It seems like there were several games in a row where that was the case for Louisville v Memphis.
When the two met in the CUSA Championship in 2005, it was a fitting way for those two to go out with the freethrows. I hated to see the series end, because the games were always so much fun. They really should have kept playing each other, but the two athletic departments were at odds (at least that's what I understand). Some Louisville fans with more knowledge may correct me, but Memphis felt like Louisville was leaving them behind, and actually worked against them to keep them out of the Big East. Memphis then delayed Louisville (or at the very least complicated things for Louisville) when they tried to leave CUSA for the Big East. The two resented each other, and simply didn't play.
I believe they are starting a ten year series in basketball next year. That's cool, but it's not the same. There are OOC rivalries, but it's not the same as a conference rivalry.
As for Cincinnati, I always considered that more of a showcase game than a rivalry. It was a good game and series, but I don't think those two really hated each other the way Louisville and Memphis did. I actually don't think UL and UC hated each other at all.
For the most part you are right about UC and Louisville. As an alum and fan of Cincinnati, I always viewed the series between the schools as a "sibling rivalry" more than anything else. It got heatetd when the two schools played but when the other school played someone else you would have their back.
A big reason for this is the two schools share similar profiles, are 100 miles apart, both have been dragged through several failed conferences and have to deal with UK fans (UC also has Ohio State to deal with as well).
(02-09-2015 07:50 AM)CardFan1 Wrote: While it would sure help Their cause to get a P5 upgrade possibly in the Big 12 or maybe an ACC invite , Louisville Vs Cincinnati and Memphis have had a long term rivalry together. I'm sure games here and there are in the future, They would greatly increase the chances with P5 invites for both of Them.
Louisville v Memphis was an awesome rivalry. It goes back to the MVC days. I don't know the full history, but Dana Kirk was an assistant at Louisville. He left for Memphis, and apparently soured things so much on his way out the door that it jacked the dislike through the roof. Another thing about it in the old Metro days was that so many games had these really crazy or bizarre finishes. Kentucky was Louisville's biggest rival, but most of the time the games weren't down to the last minute affairs where you saw four or five lead changes in the final thirty seconds. It seems like there were several games in a row where that was the case for Louisville v Memphis.
When the two met in the CUSA Championship in 2005, it was a fitting way for those two to go out with the freethrows. I hated to see the series end, because the games were always so much fun. They really should have kept playing each other, but the two athletic departments were at odds (at least that's what I understand). Some Louisville fans with more knowledge may correct me, but Memphis felt like Louisville was leaving them behind, and actually worked against them to keep them out of the Big East. Memphis then delayed Louisville (or at the very least complicated things for Louisville) when they tried to leave CUSA for the Big East. The two resented each other, and simply didn't play.
I believe they are starting a ten year series in basketball next year. That's cool, but it's not the same. There are OOC rivalries, but it's not the same as a conference rivalry.
As for Cincinnati, I always considered that more of a showcase game than a rivalry. It was a good game and series, but I don't think those two really hated each other the way Louisville and Memphis did. I actually don't think UL and UC hated each other at all.
That's just about what I've heard. There was also an ESPN rivalry commercial that had UofL/UofM in it. So, if they recognized it, it was most likely legit.
(02-10-2015 05:34 PM)David HD Wrote: I'm more basketball than football, but here are some non-rivalries that would instantly be rivalries....
Wichita State v Kansas (or Kansas State)
Cincinnati v Ohio State
Maryland v Georgetown - this one has a funny, almost childish history to it as to why they haven't played in over twenty years. Some people have long memories. So long that they're still pissed about something that happened before any of the current players were even born.
Indiana v Butler (although they don play fairly regularly now)
Gonzaga v Washington - another series that ended because of stupid logic
SMU v Texas (in basketball, of course)
Buffalo v Syracuse. I don't know if this one would have any traction as a rivalry or not, but I find it amusing that Syracuse likes to market itself as New York's college team, and Buffalo is now literally trying to not just market itself, but CALL itself "New York." Their jerseys and courts now say "New York" instead of "Buffalo." Buffalo ain't bad either. They're getting better under Hurley, and could be the kind of team you see that can make the NCAA Tournament without having to win the conference tournament in a very short time.
Xavier v Ohio State. This one may be a one way rivalry because I don't think Ohio State would resent Xavier as much as Xavier would resent them, but XU is still pissed at Thad Matta for leaving, even though it was ten years ago. They don't like it when you leave the family, I guess. Still more often than not both programs are NCAA Tournament caliber teams. They really should play at least occasionally.
Southern Miss v Ole Miss or Mississippi State. This would have been more relevant when Southern Miss was actually better than both schools in both football and basketball. They've kind of fallen off the face of the Earth though.
LOL at Ohio State ever getting the balls to play an in state team that could beat them.
(02-10-2015 05:34 PM)David HD Wrote: I'm more basketball than football, but here are some non-rivalries that would instantly be rivalries....
Wichita State v Kansas (or Kansas State)
Cincinnati v Ohio State
Maryland v Georgetown - this one has a funny, almost childish history to it as to why they haven't played in over twenty years. Some people have long memories. So long that they're still pissed about something that happened before any of the current players were even born.
Indiana v Butler (although they don play fairly regularly now)
Gonzaga v Washington - another series that ended because of stupid logic
SMU v Texas (in basketball, of course)
Buffalo v Syracuse. I don't know if this one would have any traction as a rivalry or not, but I find it amusing that Syracuse likes to market itself as New York's college team, and Buffalo is now literally trying to not just market itself, but CALL itself "New York." Their jerseys and courts now say "New York" instead of "Buffalo." Buffalo ain't bad either. They're getting better under Hurley, and could be the kind of team you see that can make the NCAA Tournament without having to win the conference tournament in a very short time.
Xavier v Ohio State. This one may be a one way rivalry because I don't think Ohio State would resent Xavier as much as Xavier would resent them, but XU is still pissed at Thad Matta for leaving, even though it was ten years ago. They don't like it when you leave the family, I guess. Still more often than not both programs are NCAA Tournament caliber teams. They really should play at least occasionally.
Southern Miss v Ole Miss or Mississippi State. This would have been more relevant when Southern Miss was actually better than both schools in both football and basketball. They've kind of fallen off the face of the Earth though.
I would be amazed if Buffalo cracked the top 50 biggest games for +90% of Syracuse fans (in either football or basketball). I don't think that I've actually even heard a Buffalo fan call SU - UB a rivalry.
(02-09-2015 07:50 AM)CardFan1 Wrote: While it would sure help Their cause to get a P5 upgrade possibly in the Big 12 or maybe an ACC invite , Louisville Vs Cincinnati and Memphis have had a long term rivalry together. I'm sure games here and there are in the future, They would greatly increase the chances with P5 invites for both of Them.
Louisville v Memphis was an awesome rivalry. It goes back to the MVC days. I don't know the full history, but Dana Kirk was an assistant at Louisville. He left for Memphis, and apparently soured things so much on his way out the door that it jacked the dislike through the roof. Another thing about it in the old Metro days was that so many games had these really crazy or bizarre finishes. Kentucky was Louisville's biggest rival, but most of the time the games weren't down to the last minute affairs where you saw four or five lead changes in the final thirty seconds. It seems like there were several games in a row where that was the case for Louisville v Memphis.
When the two met in the CUSA Championship in 2005, it was a fitting way for those two to go out with the freethrows. I hated to see the series end, because the games were always so much fun. They really should have kept playing each other, but the two athletic departments were at odds (at least that's what I understand). Some Louisville fans with more knowledge may correct me, but Memphis felt like Louisville was leaving them behind, and actually worked against them to keep them out of the Big East. Memphis then delayed Louisville (or at the very least complicated things for Louisville) when they tried to leave CUSA for the Big East. The two resented each other, and simply didn't play.
I believe they are starting a ten year series in basketball next year. That's cool, but it's not the same. There are OOC rivalries, but it's not the same as a conference rivalry.
As for Cincinnati, I always considered that more of a showcase game than a rivalry. It was a good game and series, but I don't think those two really hated each other the way Louisville and Memphis did. I actually don't think UL and UC hated each other at all.
For the most part you are right about UC and Louisville. As an alum and fan of Cincinnati, I always viewed the series between the schools as a "sibling rivalry" more than anything else. It got heatetd when the two schools played but when the other school played someone else you would have their back.
A big reason for this is the two schools share similar profiles, are 100 miles apart, both have been dragged through several failed conferences and have to deal with UK fans (UC also has Ohio State to deal with as well).
You don't have to hate each other for it to be a rivalry. There's lots of rivalries based on mutual respect.
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What P5 vs G5 rivalries are there?
