(02-08-2015 05:00 PM)Rabbit_in_Red Wrote:  The bulk of the posters that complain about Louisville are from G5 schools. Jealous much?

Grow up dude, you sound like a 4 year old.

Ladies and Gentlemen of the jury, I rest my case.

Petrino withdrew the scholarship when he discovered the player's middle name is "Kawasaki".

(02-08-2015 05:37 PM)Rabbit_in_Red Wrote:  Ladies and Gentlemen of the jury, I rest my case.

No, I'm pretty sure the point has been made that this does occur with some regularity in recruiting. The point also has been made because of Petrinos slimy track record, he will be highlited as being slimy more so than others. You, turning this into some nonsensical P5 vs G5 argument is laughable at best. So, quit crying about it.

(02-08-2015 05:59 PM)Rabonchild Wrote:  Petrino withdrew the scholarship when he discovered the player's middle name is "Kawasaki".

NO scholarship was EVER pulled.

(02-08-2015 07:42 PM)Dasville Wrote:  

(02-08-2015 05:59 PM)Rabonchild Wrote:  Petrino withdrew the scholarship when he discovered the player's middle name is "Kawasaki".

NO scholarship was EVER pulled.

Dude...you're killing the narrative....

I'm not the one crying, champ. I'm just amused, 'cause the butthurt amongst you guys is amusing.

(02-08-2015 07:39 PM)rtaylor Wrote:  

(02-08-2015 05:37 PM)Rabbit_in_Red Wrote:  Ladies and Gentlemen of the jury, I rest my case.

No, I'm pretty sure the point has been made that this does occur with some regularity in recruiting. The point also has been made because of Petrinos slimy track record, he will be highlited as being slimy more so than others.

Agreed.

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(02-08-2015 07:39 PM)rtaylor Wrote:  

(02-08-2015 05:37 PM)Rabbit_in_Red Wrote:  Ladies and Gentlemen of the jury, I rest my case.

No, I'm pretty sure the point has been made that this does occur with some regularity in recruiting. The point also has been made because of Petrinos slimy track record, he will be highlited as being slimy more so than others. You, turning this into some nonsensical P5 vs G5 argument is laughable at best. So, quit crying about it.

Yup...Malzahn, Spurrier and Saban will get a pass...Petrino will not and not so much with the Affair-(that is between him and his wife) but with the way he left Atlanta before the NFL Season ended to take the Arkansas job...

(02-08-2015 08:13 PM)Rabbit_in_Red Wrote:  I'm not the one crying, champ. I'm just amused, 'cause the butthurt amongst you guys is amusing.

Definitely not butt hurt, I don't care that much. I think Jurich is an extremely smart and forward thinking AD, I just don't think Petrino is the answer. He is great at winning games but his personal antics are notorious, and while he certainly isn't the only coach to do that kind of thing; he is going to be under the microscope bc of his past. He will need all the positive PR he can get for people to forget. The G5 comment you made was pretty classless though. I'm happy for Louisville and its fans, you guys made the P5 the right way. You're only one year removed from the AAC you shouldn't forget where you come from.

(02-08-2015 10:07 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  

(02-08-2015 08:13 PM)Rabbit_in_Red Wrote:  I'm not the one crying, champ. I'm just amused, 'cause the butthurt amongst you guys is amusing.

Definitely not butt hurt, I don't care that much. I think Jurich is an extremely smart and forward thinking AD, I just don't think Petrino is the answer. He is great at winning games but his personal antics are notorious, and while he certainly isn't the only coach to do that kind of thing; he is going to be under the microscope bc of his past. He will need all the positive PR he can get for people to forget. The G5 comment you made was pretty classless though. I'm happy for Louisville and its fans, you guys made the P5 the right way. You're only one year removed from the AAC you shouldn't forget where you come from.

Really....Louisville has been at the "Big Table" since 2005...even with our one year in the AAC it was still technically a Power League with AQ Status...but no we haven't for the most part not forgotten where we came from and I doubt Utah & TCU have as well.

Petrino is improving. He's gone from pissing off entire cities to merely pissing off a few individuals.

Yes, this is done everywhere. The thing is, when a person gives people a reason (and in the case of Petrino, several reasons) not to like them, they'll have no trouble finding other reasons not to like them as well.

This guy is an incredible game coach. The problem is that he doesn't exactly have a history of leaving places in better shape than they were when he got there. He's like a big plate of buffalo wings and chili cheese fries. It looks amazing, and when you're eating it feels amazing. It's just that once you're done, you're wondering what the hell you did to yourself. That's Petrino. Western Kentucky is the only place he didn't completely screw up on his way out the door. Ironically, list of schools and teams includes Louisville. I don't remember if it was the third or fourth time he interviewed someplace without informing Jurich that Jurich finally snapped in the media. "If he leaves, I'll be ready in twenty minutes." Yet, he hired him back. But, then again, I'm sure I'll eat another meal of buffalo wings and chili cheese fries so who am I to criticize??

He didn't screw up Louisville on his way out the door...that was Kragthorpe, regardless of what the narrative at the time might've been.

(02-10-2015 04:14 PM)Rabbit_in_Red Wrote:  He didn't screw up Louisville on his way out the door...that was Kragthorpe, regardless of what the narrative at the time might've been.

Ain't that the TRUTH...

Petrino may have interviewed with other schools, but he never took those jobs. It took an NFL gig to finally lure him away, and how he left Atlanta was more a product of the Falcon's front office than it was any slimeyness by Bobby. If you're locked out, it's hard to leave in any other way. Arkansas however, we can all agree, that was on him. Louisville and Atlanta however, you'd do wise to learn a little more about what you're talking about before opening your mouth...and c'mon, who would blame ANY coach for leaving their school for an NFL gig? Jurich has said numerous times that all of our coaches owe it to themselves to listen to other offers, if only to find out what they're worth in the marketplace.

As for leaving Louisville in a mess...oh no, no. That was all Steve Kragthorpe. He was such a terrible hire that Jurich, erroneously, tried to play up Bobby leaving a mess to be cleaned up. The reality is however, the APR was up under Bobby and there were few if any significant disciplinary problems with the team. For all of his flaws, Bobby (and I know this personally) is a strict disciplinarian. Kragthorpe...not so much, and that's why problems arose. It was no small secret around Louisville that Strong's first meeting with the team when he took over was a real ass chewing, letting into the players that were there still for the disorganized and disheveled state of the locker room and facilities that they, thanks to the lack of caring from the previous staff, had left things in. Jurich hired Bobby back because Jurich knew that Bobby wasn't truly responsible for the mess of Louisville football after Bobby had left.

^This is my understanding as well. Not to mention he did turn down the Raiders & I believe either the Ole Miss or Miss St job. If he wanted to leave & just go anywhere he had opportunities before Atlanta. Joe B Hall was talking about some of the little-known details on the Joe B & Denny radio show awhile back.

http://vaughtsviews.com/having-petrino-a...s-as-well/

Just some of what he said before Patrino came back to Louisville.

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If you're happy with Petrino then all power to you. I'm not going to try and convince you that you shouldn't be.

I don't really want to talk about the APR simply because I find it to be a boring subject, but I do know quite a bit about it. Something that very few people realize is that it is a record of what WAS, not what IS. The rolling APR is a four year average released a year later. In other words, when the 2014 APR comes out, it actually won't have anything to do with what happened in 2014. It's the 2008-2009 through 2012-2013 academic years.

Also, the two components to the APR are academic eligibility and retention. Whenever there is a coaching change, retention will probably take a hit. That's just the way it is.

So, although the APR was lower under Kragthorpe, it wasn't because of him.

I also don't think it's entirely fair to solely blame coaches for APRs. The academic support staff has more to do with it than the coaches. Coaches certainly play a role, but they don't go to class, they're not allowed to even meet with professors, they typically aren't allowed to be at study halls because if they were it would be considered "practice time if the whole team is there." On top of that, the APR is such a general indicator anyway that it doesn't always indicate precisely how good or bad academic success is.

With that being said, the rolling APR was lower under Kragthorpe, but it was due to the previous four years before he got there.

(02-10-2015 06:48 PM)David HD Wrote:  If you're happy with Petrino then all power to you. I'm not going to try and convince you that you shouldn't be.

I don't really want to talk about the APR simply because I find it to be a boring subject, but I do know quite a bit about. Something that very few people realize is that it is a record of what WAS, not what IS. The rolling APR is a four year average released a year later. In other words, when the 2014 APR comes out, it actually won't have anything to do with what happened in 2014. It's the 2008-2009 through 2012-2013 academic years.

Also, the two components to the APR are academic eligibility and retention. Whenever there is a coaching change, retention will probably take a hit. That's just the way it is.

So, although the APR was lower under Kragthorpe, it wasn't because of him.

I also don't think it's entirely fair to soley blame coaches for APRs. The academic support staff has more to do with it than the coaches. Coaches certainly play a role, but they don't go to class, they're not allowed to even meet with professors, they typically aren't allowed to be at study halls because if they were it would be considered "practice time if the whole team is there." On top of that, the APR is such a general indicator anyway that it doesn't always indicate precisely how good or bad academic success is.

With that being said, the rolling APR was lower under Kragthorpe, but it was due to the previous four years before he got there.

Coach Strong had to limit scholarships b/c of APR. That is 3 years of HWSNBN.

David I agree with you on the APR & Louisville took steps under Strong to improve the academics & are building an academic building onto PJ stadium.

I dont believe anyone is saying that Patrino is a saint but that there are some untruths out there about him. His perception is his own doing & what happened at Arkansas is a great concern.

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Exactly...Strong had to deal with the APR issues from Kragthorpe. Kragthorpe never had to deal with APR issues from Petrino. Kragthorpe ran the program into the ground on numerous levels, and at the time it was pinned on Bobby...but Bobby was far from responsible. As Lenville said, the man's no saint but he's hardly the monster folks like to try and paint him out to be either.