(02-02-2015 10:33 AM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(02-02-2015 10:09 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  Yeah, LSU is usually good for a P5 road game every other year (odd numbers).
Georgia travels occasionally, so does Auburn and Tennessee.
Alabama rarely leaves the South for OOC games.
Florida rarely leaves the state...
Ole Miss and Miss. St rarely play any P5 OOC at all.

Are you deflating a football in your avatar?

nah, juicing it up with Capt. America's super serum!

(02-02-2015 11:05 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(02-02-2015 10:33 AM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(02-02-2015 10:09 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  Yeah, LSU is usually good for a P5 road game every other year (odd numbers).
Georgia travels occasionally, so does Auburn and Tennessee.
Alabama rarely leaves the South for OOC games.
Florida rarely leaves the state...
Ole Miss and Miss. St rarely play any P5 OOC at all.

Are you deflating a football in your avatar?

nah, juicing it up with Capt. America's super serum!

Just hope the NCAA doesn't do a random test on the ball after you juice it.

(02-01-2015 03:57 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  Or an A Lister might see it as an opportunity rather than a detriment. Stronger schedules this year have been what has gotten teams in.

In my opinion, coaches don't think that they.

They don't like having to play a more difficult schedule than their peers.

(02-02-2015 09:43 AM)stever20 Wrote:  The thing though for Georgia which is what we're talking about- they don't need to do anything except what they already have- the 8 SEC games and Georgia Tech. Georgia doesn't need to have a 10th P5 team. Georgia will never have a weak schedule weak enough to keep them out of the playoff with them being a 1 loss SEC champion.

I agree with you. Georgia would be fine with just the eight SEC games, truly. Given the SEC CCG to boot.

Thus a prospective, A-list head coach is going to ask the Georgia athletic director "why do I have to play eight SEC games, plus Georgia Tech, PLUS another P5 opponent when Spurrier, Pinkle, McElwain and Butch only have to play nine??"

He's not going to view it as a challenge to be overcome.

(02-02-2015 09:43 AM)stever20 Wrote:  

(02-01-2015 04:45 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(02-01-2015 04:36 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(02-01-2015 04:27 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(02-01-2015 04:13 PM)stever20 Wrote:  A schedule like what Georgia played even w/o Clemson would be more than good enough to make the playoffs. Ga Tech, Auburn, Missouri all top 20 opponents.

Any schedule is good enough if you go undefeated. The questions come in when you start dealing with losses. Also, it is inevitable that the playoff expands. Not knowing when that exactly is going to happen while at the same time having to figure out future scheduling years in advance, not fun.

That schedule with 1 loss is in the tourney 100 times out of 100. You play 3 top 20 teams and then 1 in the CCG- yeah, that gets you in pretty much no matter what.

Which would be a reason why a strong, confident coach would like it. When you put together that top level championship team, the last thing you want to happen is a weak schedule keeping you out.

The thing though for Georgia which is what we're talking about- they don't need to do anything except what they already have- the 8 SEC games and Georgia Tech. Georgia doesn't need to have a 10th P5 team. Georgia will never have a weak schedule weak enough to keep them out of the playoff with them being a 1 loss SEC champion.

I'm not necessarily talking only about a four team national tournament scenario.

(02-02-2015 06:46 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(02-02-2015 09:43 AM)stever20 Wrote:  

(02-01-2015 04:45 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(02-01-2015 04:36 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(02-01-2015 04:27 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  Any schedule is good enough if you go undefeated. The questions come in when you start dealing with losses. Also, it is inevitable that the playoff expands. Not knowing when that exactly is going to happen while at the same time having to figure out future scheduling years in advance, not fun.

That schedule with 1 loss is in the tourney 100 times out of 100. You play 3 top 20 teams and then 1 in the CCG- yeah, that gets you in pretty much no matter what.

Which would be a reason why a strong, confident coach would like it. When you put together that top level championship team, the last thing you want to happen is a weak schedule keeping you out.

The thing though for Georgia which is what we're talking about- they don't need to do anything except what they already have- the 8 SEC games and Georgia Tech. Georgia doesn't need to have a 10th P5 team. Georgia will never have a weak schedule weak enough to keep them out of the playoff with them being a 1 loss SEC champion.

I'm not necessarily talking only about a four team national tournament scenario.

In a pretty much any team scenario, if Georgia finishes with 1 loss they are a lock. In a 8 team scenario, 2 losses and they are a lock. They don't need anyone but SEC plus GT.

(02-02-2015 10:25 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(02-02-2015 06:46 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(02-02-2015 09:43 AM)stever20 Wrote:  

(02-01-2015 04:45 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(02-01-2015 04:36 PM)stever20 Wrote:  That schedule with 1 loss is in the tourney 100 times out of 100. You play 3 top 20 teams and then 1 in the CCG- yeah, that gets you in pretty much no matter what.

Which would be a reason why a strong, confident coach would like it. When you put together that top level championship team, the last thing you want to happen is a weak schedule keeping you out.

The thing though for Georgia which is what we're talking about- they don't need to do anything except what they already have- the 8 SEC games and Georgia Tech. Georgia doesn't need to have a 10th P5 team. Georgia will never have a weak schedule weak enough to keep them out of the playoff with them being a 1 loss SEC champion.

I'm not necessarily talking only about a four team national tournament scenario.

In a pretty much any team scenario, if Georgia finishes with 1 loss they are a lock. In a 8 team scenario, 2 losses and they are a lock. They don't need anyone but SEC plus GT.

They are a lock over any other 2 loss SEC team? I see you are still drinking the SEC kool aid in thinking that every year in the future the SEC will continue to be given an unfair biased position at the beginning of every season. That may continue, or the trend may be turning. Either way, 2 losses are not a lock, even in an 8 team tourney. Having a 10th strong game instead of just 9 though, that would definitely help set Georgia apart from whatever 2 loss teams there might be.

(02-03-2015 01:24 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(02-02-2015 10:25 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(02-02-2015 06:46 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(02-02-2015 09:43 AM)stever20 Wrote:  

(02-01-2015 04:45 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  Which would be a reason why a strong, confident coach would like it. When you put together that top level championship team, the last thing you want to happen is a weak schedule keeping you out.

The thing though for Georgia which is what we're talking about- they don't need to do anything except what they already have- the 8 SEC games and Georgia Tech. Georgia doesn't need to have a 10th P5 team. Georgia will never have a weak schedule weak enough to keep them out of the playoff with them being a 1 loss SEC champion.

I'm not necessarily talking only about a four team national tournament scenario.

In a pretty much any team scenario, if Georgia finishes with 1 loss they are a lock. In a 8 team scenario, 2 losses and they are a lock. They don't need anyone but SEC plus GT.

They are a lock over any other 2 loss SEC team? I see you are still drinking the SEC kool aid in thinking that every year in the future the SEC will continue to be given an unfair biased position at the beginning of every season. That may continue, or the trend may be turning. Either way, 2 losses are not a lock, even in an 8 team tourney. Having a 10th strong game instead of just 9 though, that would definitely help set Georgia apart from whatever 2 loss teams there might be.

It's very hard to say based on this year's results. Yes, there were two 2-loss teams in the top 8, but they were not ranked ahead of any 1-loss teams (there just weren't 8 teams with one loss or fewer).

(02-03-2015 01:24 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(02-02-2015 10:25 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(02-02-2015 06:46 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(02-02-2015 09:43 AM)stever20 Wrote:  

(02-01-2015 04:45 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  Which would be a reason why a strong, confident coach would like it. When you put together that top level championship team, the last thing you want to happen is a weak schedule keeping you out.

The thing though for Georgia which is what we're talking about- they don't need to do anything except what they already have- the 8 SEC games and Georgia Tech. Georgia doesn't need to have a 10th P5 team. Georgia will never have a weak schedule weak enough to keep them out of the playoff with them being a 1 loss SEC champion.

I'm not necessarily talking only about a four team national tournament scenario.

In a pretty much any team scenario, if Georgia finishes with 1 loss they are a lock. In a 8 team scenario, 2 losses and they are a lock. They don't need anyone but SEC plus GT.

They are a lock over any other 2 loss SEC team? I see you are still drinking the SEC kool aid in thinking that every year in the future the SEC will continue to be given an unfair biased position at the beginning of every season. That may continue, or the trend may be turning. Either way, 2 losses are not a lock, even in an 8 team tourney. Having a 10th strong game instead of just 9 though, that would definitely help set Georgia apart from whatever 2 loss teams there might be.

Except for the fact that the SEC even this year was the #1 conference regular season according to computers that just took this year into account. And, here's the thing about this year- there were only 8 teams with 2 or fewer losses reg season p5.

and look at Georgia's SOS regular season in AH(one of the old BCS computers)
2014- 33- played Clemson
2013- 10- played Clemson
2012- 39- didn't play other P5
2011- 15- no other P5 (played Boise)
2010- 29- played Colorado
2009- 3- played Okla St
2008- 17- played Ariz St

So just for discussions sake- if the only difference between playing another P5 team and not playing is 6 SOS slots, why would you play another p5 team?

(02-03-2015 11:13 AM)stever20 Wrote:  Except for the fact that the SEC even this year was the #1 conference regular season according to computers that just took this year into account. And, here's the thing about this year- there were only 8 teams with 2 or fewer losses reg season p5.

and look at Georgia's SOS regular season in AH(one of the old BCS computers)
2014- 33- played Clemson
2013- 10- played Clemson
2012- 39- didn't play other P5
2011- 15- no other P5 (played Boise)
2010- 29- played Colorado
2009- 3- played Okla St
2008- 17- played Ariz St

So just for discussions sake- if the only difference between playing another P5 team and not playing is 6 SOS slots, why would you play another p5 team?

Steve, I think there's a trend in this data that you need to account for.

In 2008 and 2009 the SEC was so strong it didn't matter who else GA played.
In 2010 Colorado actually may have dragged GA down, a problem which was fixed by playing Boise in 2011. The lack of a P5 coupled with the beginnings of a downward trend in the SEC East hurt SoS in 2012. A strong Clemson team helped in 2013, but almost the same schedule (but more SEC degradation) dropped GA in 2014. The downward trend of the SEC is masked by 2 things here:
1) varying strength of OOC schedule
2) one varying SEC West opponent.

(02-02-2015 10:25 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(02-02-2015 06:46 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(02-02-2015 09:43 AM)stever20 Wrote:  

(02-01-2015 04:45 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(02-01-2015 04:36 PM)stever20 Wrote:  That schedule with 1 loss is in the tourney 100 times out of 100. You play 3 top 20 teams and then 1 in the CCG- yeah, that gets you in pretty much no matter what.

Which would be a reason why a strong, confident coach would like it. When you put together that top level championship team, the last thing you want to happen is a weak schedule keeping you out.

The thing though for Georgia which is what we're talking about- they don't need to do anything except what they already have- the 8 SEC games and Georgia Tech. Georgia doesn't need to have a 10th P5 team. Georgia will never have a weak schedule weak enough to keep them out of the playoff with them being a 1 loss SEC champion.

I'm not necessarily talking only about a four team national tournament scenario.

In a pretty much any team scenario, if Georgia finishes with 1 loss they are a lock. In a 8 team scenario, 2 losses and they are a lock. They don't need anyone but SEC plus GT.

Georgia fans may be in for a long wait. A Mark Richt coached Georgia team has finished with just one loss in a decade - and that one loss SEC Champion lost the 2006 Sugar Bowl to WVU, in a game that was moved to Atlanta because of Hurricane Katrina.

Richt is an okay coach. But I doubt he'll ever get the Dawgs to the top. I could be proven wrong someday. But I seriously doubt it.

(02-03-2015 02:45 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(02-02-2015 10:25 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(02-02-2015 06:46 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(02-02-2015 09:43 AM)stever20 Wrote:  

(02-01-2015 04:45 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  Which would be a reason why a strong, confident coach would like it. When you put together that top level championship team, the last thing you want to happen is a weak schedule keeping you out.

The thing though for Georgia which is what we're talking about- they don't need to do anything except what they already have- the 8 SEC games and Georgia Tech. Georgia doesn't need to have a 10th P5 team. Georgia will never have a weak schedule weak enough to keep them out of the playoff with them being a 1 loss SEC champion.

I'm not necessarily talking only about a four team national tournament scenario.

In a pretty much any team scenario, if Georgia finishes with 1 loss they are a lock. In a 8 team scenario, 2 losses and they are a lock. They don't need anyone but SEC plus GT.

Georgia fans may be in for a long wait. A Mark Richt coached Georgia team has finished with just one loss in a decade - and that one loss SEC Champion lost the 2006 Sugar Bowl to WVU, in a game that was moved to Atlanta because of Hurricane Katrina.

Richt is an okay coach. But I doubt he'll ever get the Dawgs to the top. I could be proven wrong someday. But I seriously doubt it.

That's fine- totally agree with you on that. But my point is they don't need to do anything with their schedule, it's already good enough where if they are sucessful, they'll make the tourney.

(02-03-2015 11:13 AM)stever20 Wrote:  

(02-03-2015 01:24 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(02-02-2015 10:25 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(02-02-2015 06:46 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(02-02-2015 09:43 AM)stever20 Wrote:  The thing though for Georgia which is what we're talking about- they don't need to do anything except what they already have- the 8 SEC games and Georgia Tech. Georgia doesn't need to have a 10th P5 team. Georgia will never have a weak schedule weak enough to keep them out of the playoff with them being a 1 loss SEC champion.

I'm not necessarily talking only about a four team national tournament scenario.

In a pretty much any team scenario, if Georgia finishes with 1 loss they are a lock. In a 8 team scenario, 2 losses and they are a lock. They don't need anyone but SEC plus GT.

They are a lock over any other 2 loss SEC team? I see you are still drinking the SEC kool aid in thinking that every year in the future the SEC will continue to be given an unfair biased position at the beginning of every season. That may continue, or the trend may be turning. Either way, 2 losses are not a lock, even in an 8 team tourney. Having a 10th strong game instead of just 9 though, that would definitely help set Georgia apart from whatever 2 loss teams there might be.

Except for the fact that the SEC even this year was the #1 conference regular season according to computers that just took this year into account. And, here's the thing about this year- there were only 8 teams with 2 or fewer losses reg season p5.

and look at Georgia's SOS regular season in AH(one of the old BCS computers)
2014- 33- played Clemson
2013- 10- played Clemson
2012- 39- didn't play other P5
2011- 15- no other P5 (played Boise)
2010- 29- played Colorado
2009- 3- played Okla St
2008- 17- played Ariz St

So just for discussions sake- if the only difference between playing another P5 team and not playing is 6 SOS slots, why would you play another p5 team?

We have gone over this plenty. A computer ranking is only as good as the initial data used in the program. If the initial data is overly biased then so will be the final result. So I am sorry, but its become pretty obvious that the initial data of rankings were off at the beginning of the season. That means computer data is going to be biased.

I am sorry but the system was proven to be faulty this year. You cant go citing the system as your evidence when that is the case.

Why would you? Because it puts you ahead of a team that doesn't.

(02-03-2015 07:29 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(02-03-2015 11:13 AM)stever20 Wrote:  

(02-03-2015 01:24 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(02-02-2015 10:25 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(02-02-2015 06:46 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  I'm not necessarily talking only about a four team national tournament scenario.

In a pretty much any team scenario, if Georgia finishes with 1 loss they are a lock. In a 8 team scenario, 2 losses and they are a lock. They don't need anyone but SEC plus GT.

They are a lock over any other 2 loss SEC team? I see you are still drinking the SEC kool aid in thinking that every year in the future the SEC will continue to be given an unfair biased position at the beginning of every season. That may continue, or the trend may be turning. Either way, 2 losses are not a lock, even in an 8 team tourney. Having a 10th strong game instead of just 9 though, that would definitely help set Georgia apart from whatever 2 loss teams there might be.

Except for the fact that the SEC even this year was the #1 conference regular season according to computers that just took this year into account. And, here's the thing about this year- there were only 8 teams with 2 or fewer losses reg season p5.

and look at Georgia's SOS regular season in AH(one of the old BCS computers)
2014- 33- played Clemson
2013- 10- played Clemson
2012- 39- didn't play other P5
2011- 15- no other P5 (played Boise)
2010- 29- played Colorado
2009- 3- played Okla St
2008- 17- played Ariz St

So just for discussions sake- if the only difference between playing another P5 team and not playing is 6 SOS slots, why would you play another p5 team?

We have gone over this plenty. A computer ranking is only as good as the initial data used in the program. If the initial data is overly biased then so will be the final result. So I am sorry, but its become pretty obvious that the initial data of rankings were off at the beginning of the season. That means computer data is going to be biased.

I am sorry but the system was proven to be faulty this year. You cant go citing the system as your evidence when that is the case.

Why would you? Because it puts you ahead of a team that doesn't.

And considering the bottom 60 or so are G5, being in the 30s is not very good.