(08-12-2015 11:26 AM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(08-12-2015 09:30 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(08-11-2015 06:18 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  Adams still has to pass a math test (that he has failed twice) in order to "graduate" before he can start a "Master's" program at Oregon.


Whole thing is a joke.

Because passing some arbitrary math test must be a prerequisite to graduating with an undergraduate degree that's unrelated to mathematics.


Big Sky Brewing should make a beer called "Bitter Big Sky Fans".

Then why is he taking it? Why is it a requirement?

Adams being gone HELPS my team. Why would I be bitter on this specifically?

It's probably meddling by EWU, trying to screw up his transfer.

If you weren't bitter about a top Big Sky player transferring to a PAC school for a better opportunity (vs staying at the Big Sky school), you wouldn't have posted that it is a "joke".

(08-12-2015 11:57 AM)stever20 Wrote:  I think we're going to start to see one of 2 things...
either-
they close the LOOPHOLE that is the graduate transfer and immediately be able to play
or
you are going to start to see a lot fewer redshirts used where the school that gets them gets them for the entire 4 years.

Yeah, let's punish players for graduating! Take that, you graduate! That'll teach you.

If they're going to make graduate transfers sit out a year, then they need to make FBS to FCS transfers sit out a year.

Only fair.

(08-13-2015 09:24 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(08-12-2015 11:57 AM)stever20 Wrote:  I think we're going to start to see one of 2 things...
either-
they close the LOOPHOLE that is the graduate transfer and immediately be able to play
or
you are going to start to see a lot fewer redshirts used where the school that gets them gets them for the entire 4 years.

Yeah, let's punish players for graduating! Take that, you graduate! That'll teach you.

If they're going to make graduate transfers sit out a year, then they need to make FBS to FCS transfers sit out a year.

Only fair.

All other lateral/upward transfers have got to sit out a year, so why should graduate transfers be any different?

One doesn't have anything to do with the other.

(08-13-2015 09:29 AM)stever20 Wrote:  

(08-13-2015 09:24 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(08-12-2015 11:57 AM)stever20 Wrote:  I think we're going to start to see one of 2 things...
either-
they close the LOOPHOLE that is the graduate transfer and immediately be able to play
or
you are going to start to see a lot fewer redshirts used where the school that gets them gets them for the entire 4 years.

Yeah, let's punish players for graduating! Take that, you graduate! That'll teach you.

If they're going to make graduate transfers sit out a year, then they need to make FBS to FCS transfers sit out a year.

Only fair.

All other lateral/upward transfers have got to sit out a year, so why should graduate transfers be any different?

One doesn't have anything to do with the other.

It's different because they graduated. There's no harm in allowing it, given that it's such a rare case.

I say, reward those who graduate.

(08-13-2015 09:22 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(08-12-2015 11:26 AM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(08-12-2015 09:30 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(08-11-2015 06:18 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  Adams still has to pass a math test (that he has failed twice) in order to "graduate" before he can start a "Master's" program at Oregon.


Whole thing is a joke.

Because passing some arbitrary math test must be a prerequisite to graduating with an undergraduate degree that's unrelated to mathematics.


Big Sky Brewing should make a beer called "Bitter Big Sky Fans".

Then why is he taking it? Why is it a requirement?

Adams being gone HELPS my team. Why would I be bitter on this specifically?

It's probably meddling by EWU, trying to screw up his transfer.

If you weren't bitter about a top Big Sky player transferring to a PAC school for a better opportunity (vs staying at the Big Sky school), you wouldn't have posted that it is a "joke".

How could EWU meddle in a class in Oregon?


And yes, it is a joke and an abuse of what the Graduate Transfer rule was intended to do.




But of course, nothing will ever convince you of anything, so why bother.

(08-13-2015 11:22 AM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(08-13-2015 09:22 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(08-12-2015 11:26 AM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(08-12-2015 09:30 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(08-11-2015 06:18 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  Adams still has to pass a math test (that he has failed twice) in order to "graduate" before he can start a "Master's" program at Oregon.


Whole thing is a joke.

Because passing some arbitrary math test must be a prerequisite to graduating with an undergraduate degree that's unrelated to mathematics.


Big Sky Brewing should make a beer called "Bitter Big Sky Fans".

Then why is he taking it? Why is it a requirement?

Adams being gone HELPS my team. Why would I be bitter on this specifically?

It's probably meddling by EWU, trying to screw up his transfer.

If you weren't bitter about a top Big Sky player transferring to a PAC school for a better opportunity (vs staying at the Big Sky school), you wouldn't have posted that it is a "joke".

How could EWU meddle in a class in Oregon?


And yes, it is a joke and an abuse of what the Graduate Transfer rule was intended to do.




But of course, nothing will ever convince you of anything, so why bother.

Wait a second. Your OP said that Adams had to pass a math test to graduate.

Obviously then, you could only be referring to him having not yet graduated from EWU. Thus, he must be taking classes at EWU this summer in order to graduate, so he can enroll at Oregon for the fall.


If you're referring to something else, then you need to back waaaaay up, and explain yourself.

He's taking the class at Oregon


Google is your friend

(08-13-2015 01:44 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  He's taking the class at Oregon


Google is your friend

You're not making much sense.

He has to graduate from EWU before he can be eligible to play at Oregon this fall.

I'm not a P5 apologist but I think if a student has graduated then he's done his time. If he wants to attempt to better himself by transferring to another school then so be it. It is up to the program to make them want to stay.

(08-13-2015 01:52 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(08-13-2015 01:44 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  He's taking the class at Oregon


Google is your friend

You're not making much sense.

He has to graduate from EWU before he can be eligible to play at Oregon this fall.

People have been known to transfer classes.

http://www.si.com/college-football/2015/...omas-tyner

Quote:Adams path to Eugene has been littered with obstacles. Originally planning to be on campus in June to participate in summer workouts—with would have given him an opportunity to build chemistry with a new receiving corps—Adams did not fulfill Eastern’s graduation requirements during the spring academic quarter, which pushed back his arrival date. Adams is in Eugene and taking his final class on campus, but the earliest date he’ll be able to join the team is Thursday, Aug. 13. Head coach Mark Helfrich has sidestepped questions about Adams the last couple months, saying he prefers to talk about people who are currently part of the program.

(08-13-2015 01:52 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(08-13-2015 01:44 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  He's taking the class at Oregon


Google is your friend

You're not making much sense.

He has to graduate from EWU before he can be eligible to play at Oregon this fall.

How is that so hard to understand?

People take classes at other schools all the time. He is taking a math class, one that will transfer and count for his degree at EWU, but the class he is taking is offered at Oregon.


If you are too dumb to understand the concept, then do us all a favor and find a board more to your mental level - try a Bronies board, perhaps.

(08-13-2015 01:52 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(08-13-2015 01:44 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  He's taking the class at Oregon


Google is your friend

You're not making much sense.

He has to graduate from EWU before he can be eligible to play at Oregon this fall.

Without knowing the details of this, I think he is saying he is taking the class physically at Oregon that he needs, which would then be transferred back to EWU for credit to allow him to graduate. People do that rather often these days, when they are close to graduating and get a job offer, then finish their studies at a local university and transfer the credits back.

(08-13-2015 02:07 PM)rokamortis Wrote:  I'm not a P5 apologist but I think if a student has graduated then he's done his time. If he wants to attempt to better himself by transferring to another school then so be it. It is up to the program to make them want to stay.

Hit it right on the head.

Hence why the rule is written the way it is.

(08-13-2015 02:11 PM)rokamortis Wrote:  

(08-13-2015 01:52 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(08-13-2015 01:44 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  He's taking the class at Oregon


Google is your friend

You're not making much sense.

He has to graduate from EWU before he can be eligible to play at Oregon this fall.

People have been known to transfer classes.

http://www.si.com/college-football/2015/...omas-tyner

Quote:Adams path to Eugene has been littered with obstacles. Originally planning to be on campus in June to participate in summer workouts—with would have given him an opportunity to build chemistry with a new receiving corps—Adams did not fulfill Eastern’s graduation requirements during the spring academic quarter, which pushed back his arrival date. Adams is in Eugene and taking his final class on campus, but the earliest date he’ll be able to join the team is Thursday, Aug. 13. Head coach Mark Helfrich has sidestepped questions about Adams the last couple months, saying he prefers to talk about people who are currently part of the program.

Thanks for the info!

(08-13-2015 02:19 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  

(08-13-2015 01:52 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(08-13-2015 01:44 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  He's taking the class at Oregon


Google is your friend

You're not making much sense.

He has to graduate from EWU before he can be eligible to play at Oregon this fall.

Without knowing the details of this, I think he is saying he is taking the class physically at Oregon that he needs, which would then be transferred back to EWU for credit to allow him to graduate. People do that rather often these days, when they are close to graduating and get a job offer, then finish their studies at a local university and transfer the credits back.

The link roka posted confirms what you're saying.

It also says that he can't join the Oregon program until he has officially graduated from EWU. If he doesn't pass the class at Oregon, he won't have the credit he needs to graduate from EW, he won't graduate from EW and so he won't be allowed to be part of the Oregon team and probably won't even get a scholarship from Oregon for the fall.


So I fail to see what people are so bent out of shape about.

(08-13-2015 10:46 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(08-13-2015 09:29 AM)stever20 Wrote:  

(08-13-2015 09:24 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(08-12-2015 11:57 AM)stever20 Wrote:  I think we're going to start to see one of 2 things...
either-
they close the LOOPHOLE that is the graduate transfer and immediately be able to play
or
you are going to start to see a lot fewer redshirts used where the school that gets them gets them for the entire 4 years.

Yeah, let's punish players for graduating! Take that, you graduate! That'll teach you.

If they're going to make graduate transfers sit out a year, then they need to make FBS to FCS transfers sit out a year.

Only fair.

All other lateral/upward transfers have got to sit out a year, so why should graduate transfers be any different?

One doesn't have anything to do with the other.

It's different because they graduated. There's no harm in allowing it, given that it's such a rare case.

I say, reward those who graduate.

the problem is that it's becoming much more than a rare case..

It's a loophole that the NCAA will close up.

(08-13-2015 02:11 PM)rokamortis Wrote:  People have been known to transfer classes.

http://www.si.com/college-football/2015/...omas-tyner

Quote:Adams path to Eugene has been littered with obstacles. Originally planning to be on campus in June to participate in summer workouts—with would have given him an opportunity to build chemistry with a new receiving corps—Adams did not fulfill Eastern’s graduation requirements during the spring academic quarter, which pushed back his arrival date. Adams is in Eugene and taking his final class on campus, but the earliest date he’ll be able to join the team is Thursday, Aug. 13. Head coach Mark Helfrich has sidestepped questions about Adams the last couple months, saying he prefers to talk about people who are currently part of the program.

Adams passed his math exam, and can participate in Ducks meetings and practices starting on Friday.

https://twitter.com/WinTheDay/status/632023242371260416

Quote:Oregon Football
‏@WinTheDay

Vernon Adams has officially been added to the roster & is eligible to participate in team activities. #GoDucks

(08-13-2015 06:33 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(08-13-2015 10:46 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(08-13-2015 09:29 AM)stever20 Wrote:  

(08-13-2015 09:24 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(08-12-2015 11:57 AM)stever20 Wrote:  I think we're going to start to see one of 2 things...
either-
they close the LOOPHOLE that is the graduate transfer and immediately be able to play
or
you are going to start to see a lot fewer redshirts used where the school that gets them gets them for the entire 4 years.

Yeah, let's punish players for graduating! Take that, you graduate! That'll teach you.

If they're going to make graduate transfers sit out a year, then they need to make FBS to FCS transfers sit out a year.

Only fair.

All other lateral/upward transfers have got to sit out a year, so why should graduate transfers be any different?

One doesn't have anything to do with the other.

It's different because they graduated. There's no harm in allowing it, given that it's such a rare case.

I say, reward those who graduate.

the problem is that it's becoming much more than a rare case..

It's a loophole that the NCAA will close up.

If it's becoming so commonplace, then name me an example where a FCS player used the rule (not a loophole) to transfer to a P5 team and help them have a very successful year.

Going from Oregon to Mississippi or from NC State to Wisconsin, is not what we're talking about here.

(08-14-2015 12:31 AM)Wedge Wrote:  

(08-13-2015 02:11 PM)rokamortis Wrote:  People have been known to transfer classes.

http://www.si.com/college-football/2015/...omas-tyner

Quote:Adams path to Eugene has been littered with obstacles. Originally planning to be on campus in June to participate in summer workouts—with would have given him an opportunity to build chemistry with a new receiving corps—Adams did not fulfill Eastern’s graduation requirements during the spring academic quarter, which pushed back his arrival date. Adams is in Eugene and taking his final class on campus, but the earliest date he’ll be able to join the team is Thursday, Aug. 13. Head coach Mark Helfrich has sidestepped questions about Adams the last couple months, saying he prefers to talk about people who are currently part of the program.

Adams passed his math exam, and can participate in Ducks meetings and practices starting on Friday.

https://twitter.com/WinTheDay/status/632023242371260416

Quote:Oregon Football
‏@WinTheDay

Vernon Adams has officially been added to the roster & is eligible to participate in team activities. #GoDucks

Good for him, I hope he does well.

He's a great player and did as much as he could to help EWU and FCS.

No reason to punish him by forcing him to play his final eligibility down in the minor-leagues.

(08-14-2015 10:35 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(08-13-2015 06:33 PM)stever20 Wrote:  the problem is that it's becoming much more than a rare case..

It's a loophole that the NCAA will close up.

If it's becoming so commonplace, then name me an example where a FCS player used the rule (not a loophole) to transfer to a P5 team and help them have a very successful year.

Going from Oregon to Mississippi or from NC State to Wisconsin, is not what we're talking about here.

Stever can surely speak for himself, but I think he is referring to the rule in general allowing FBS players to transfer without restriction (name P5 to P5 or G5 to P5) being the issue that is not so "rare" anymore.