(01-22-2015 10:31 AM)HolyCityDuke Wrote:  Good... As stupid as it sounds, him winning the CAA tourney and going to the NCAA's only made things worst IMO. Should have been let go that year.

Couldn't agree more.

I still wonder how attractive the JMU job is in the open market without a new convo? Will donors step up augment the new coach's salary as we do for Withers because Brady is on the bottom half of the pay scale in the CAA.

Also, whichever JMU alumnus/consultant we used to help with the hiring process for Withers we should use him again to help hire the next Men's basketball coach. I do not trust Bourne to make the hire. Lastly, I hope we hire a legal team to read the new coach's existing contract with old team....

Have to look at the market as well , are we going to be able to bring in a coach who will garner the respect of a senior and junior team. How far back would that set our recruiting?

I just don't see them firing him after this year, there has to be something very wrong internally for them to do that and Barkers hasn't stated anything we didn't already know.

And how will this leak affect the rest of the season, anything that gets on this board I always assume athletics and coaches see and know this as well. Is he going to coach his butt off for a school who is going to fire him even if he leads them to the NCAA tourney.

I would give him one more year, and at least a dream of a new Convo. A new Basketball facility would do wonders for recruiting and attendance.

(01-22-2015 08:00 PM)Hotrod829 Wrote:  Have to look at the market as well , are we going to be able to bring in a coach who will garner the respect of a senior and junior team. How far back would that set our recruiting?

I just don't see them firing him after this year, there has to be something very wrong internally for them to do that and Barkers hasn't stated anything we didn't already know.

And how will this leak affect the rest of the season, anything that gets on this board I always assume athletics and coaches see and know this as well. Is he going to coach his butt off for a school who is going to fire him even if he leads them to the NCAA tourney.

I would give him one more year, and at least a dream of a new Convo. A new Basketball facility would do wonders for recruiting and attendance.

well, he did give us a % and stated that this year's final results will have no impact. And, I believe Barkers is normally spot on with his info. While it sucks for the rest of the year and the team; it is great news.

(01-22-2015 07:58 PM)Rock House Duke Wrote:  Also, whichever JMU alumnus/consultant we used to help with the hiring process for Withers we should use him again to help hire the next Men's basketball coach. I do not trust Bourne to make the hire.

I'm sure JMUJohn98 will be glad to share his perfect opinion on who we should have hired. Can't count on him to follow up on negative insinuations about Villanova's football coach, but he'll definitely tell us about 2-3 coaches he is personally best friends with that JMU turned down.

Well, our 7th yr HC getting blown out by 25+ by a real HC certainly won't help his case.

Where is our Coen?

(01-22-2015 08:46 PM)JMU2004 Wrote:  Well, our 7th yr HC getting blown out by 25+ by a real HC certainly won't help his case.

Where is our Coen?

This.

Perhaps Barkers is psychic and knew this NU blowout was coming followed by a mid-season firing.... that would explain the timing of the post.

Check out Coen's record/resume at Northeastern- comparable to Brady's

2006–07 Northeastern 13–19 9–9 T–5th
2007–08 Northeastern 14–17 9–9 T–6th
2008–09 Northeastern 19–13 12–6 T–3rd CBI Quarterfinals
2009–10 Northeastern 20–13 14–4 2nd NIT First Round
2010–11 Northeastern 11–20 6–12 T–9th
2011–12 Northeastern 13–17 9–9 7th
2012–13 Northeastern 20–11 14-4 1st NIT First Round
2013–14 Northeastern 11–21 7–9 5th
2014–15 Northeastern 8–4 0–0

Up and down- 3 post season appearances but no NCAA tournament- one CAA title which he has over Brady. I think they are comparable coaches. Just the way Northeastern blew the doors off JMU tonight JMU blew the doors off Northeastern in the CAA title game two years ago.

(01-22-2015 08:48 PM)atljmualum Wrote:  

(01-22-2015 08:46 PM)JMU2004 Wrote:  Well, our 7th yr HC getting blown out by 25+ by a real HC certainly won't help his case.

Where is our Coen?

This.

Perhaps Barkers is psychic and knew this NU blowout was coming followed by a mid-season firing.... that would explain the timing of the post.

(01-22-2015 08:48 PM)atljmualum Wrote:  

(01-22-2015 08:46 PM)JMU2004 Wrote:  Well, our 7th yr HC getting blown out by 25+ by a real HC certainly won't help his case.

Where is our Coen?

This.

Perhaps Barkers is psychic and knew this NU blowout was coming followed by a mid-season firing.... that would explain the timing of the post.

Or perhaps this thread post made its way to players on the team and contributed to the uninspired play

(01-22-2015 09:32 PM)JMUBarry Wrote:  

(01-22-2015 08:48 PM)atljmualum Wrote:  

(01-22-2015 08:46 PM)JMU2004 Wrote:  Well, our 7th yr HC getting blown out by 25+ by a real HC certainly won't help his case.

Where is our Coen?

This.

Perhaps Barkers is psychic and knew this NU blowout was coming followed by a mid-season firing.... that would explain the timing of the post.

Or perhaps this thread post made its way to players on the team and contributed to the uninspired play

Yep always a risk- or perhaps Barkers is a player or a manager or someone like that- who know's I just think it's in poor taste and selfishly negative posts about what's coming with the team/program mid season kind of take the wind out of my sails and ruin whatever hope I have. Part of me says -keep it to yourself and let me continue to follow the team and hope for the best this year. For the glass is half empty crowd they slurp up everything that Barkers says because it validates why Brady stinks, the teams stinks, the admin stinks etc. I guess that's what message boards are all about-negativity- that's what our society is about but I digress. Let's hope no one on the team reads this crap. Say what you want about Brady but when he was hanging in the wind and maybe deservedly so he was a good ambassador for JMU coinciding with the run to the NCAAs- interviews, etc. still to this day he goes out of his way to laud the fan base, the institution, etc. he doesn't stirke me as a BS artist so I think he's sincereand these are things he didn't have to say or doesn't have to say but he did when he may or may not have known if he had an extension. That tells me a lot about a man's character. He's a well respected basketball coach by his peers and if it comes to an end and hasn't worked out so be it but I think he's solid so if I had inside knowledge that he was 95% gone I wouldn't choose to anonomously post it on a message board while he and the team are still fighting this year but that's just me.

I think we should fire whoever told Barkers this information. This just doesn't happen. Even if the decision has been made, only a couple people know and they shouldn't be talking to Barkers. If Barkers is on point, we have bigger problems in our Athletics Department than our coaches.

I completely agree with the two previous posts, but we've been round and round on this before, and most people on here seem to feel they're entitled to know every bit of inside information regarding any coach, player, etc. - the Facebook generation or something. A school is entitled to handle firings and so forth in a way that minimizes damage to the school. Blabbing sensitive information (that might not even happen) months in advance of an actual decision sucks.

(01-22-2015 10:31 PM)POTUS#4 Wrote:  I completely agree with the two previous posts, but we've been round and round on this before, and most people on here seem to feel they're entitled to know every bit of inside information regarding any coach, player, etc. - the Facebook generation or something. A school is entitled to handle firings and so forth in a way that minimizes damage to the school. Blabbing sensitive information (that might not even happen) months in advance of an actual decision sucks.

The MM firing was not expected by MM , I believe JMU is better than this ( leaks ).

Another "awful" thing about Coen- he doesn't really recruit New England

Their core group of players besides the transfer Eatherton (Hersey PA) are from Texas, Ohio, Florida, Minnesota, Alabama. Ask some JMU fans they would tell you Coen and Shaver are the best coaches in the league- It's not the ACC guys these are solid basketball men- Brady included- and none really has a resume that is much better than Brady's.

here's another one and JMU's next opponent- turning things around/increasing the talent level with transfers- sound familiar- let's see how it works out long term.

Coaching Record[edit]Season Team Overall Conference Standing Postseason
Niagara University Purple Eagles (Metro Atlantic Athletic Conference) (1998–2013)
1998–99 Niagara 17-12 13-5 1st
1999–00 Niagara 17-12 10-8 4th
2000–01 Niagara 15-13 12-6 2nd
2001–02 Niagara 18-14 10-6 4th
2002–03 Niagara 17-12 12-6 4th
2003–04 Niagara 22-10 13-5 2nd NIT tournament
2004–05 Niagara 20-10 13-5 1st NCAA tournament
2005–06 Niagara 11-18 7-11 7th
2006–07 Niagara 23-12 13-5 2nd NCAA tournament
2007–08 Niagara 19-10 12-6 3rd
2008–09 Niagara 26-9 14-4 2nd NIT tournament
2009–10 Niagara 18-15 9-9 6th
2010–11 Niagara 9-23 5-13 8th
2011–12 Niagara 14-19 8-10 7th
2012–13 Niagara 19-14 13-5 1st NIT tournament
Niagara Purple Eagles: 264-203 (.565) 164-104 (.612)
Hofstra Pride (Colonial Athletic Association) (2013–present)
2013–14 Hofstra 10-23 5-11 8th

(01-22-2015 09:30 PM)NJDuke97 Wrote:  Check out Coen's record/resume at Northeastern- comparable to Brady's

2006–07 Northeastern 13–19 9–9 T–5th
2007–08 Northeastern 14–17 9–9 T–6th
2008–09 Northeastern 19–13 12–6 T–3rd CBI Quarterfinals
2009–10 Northeastern 20–13 14–4 2nd NIT First Round
2010–11 Northeastern 11–20 6–12 T–9th
2011–12 Northeastern 13–17 9–9 7th
2012–13 Northeastern 20–11 14-4 1st NIT First Round
2013–14 Northeastern 11–21 7–9 5th
2014–15 Northeastern 8–4 0–0

Up and down- 3 post season appearances but no NCAA tournament- one CAA title which he has over Brady. I think they are comparable coaches. Just the way Northeastern blew the doors off JMU tonight JMU blew the doors off Northeastern in the CAA title game two years ago.

(01-22-2015 08:48 PM)atljmualum Wrote:  

(01-22-2015 08:46 PM)JMU2004 Wrote:  Well, our 7th yr HC getting blown out by 25+ by a real HC certainly won't help his case.

Where is our Coen?

This.

Perhaps Barkers is psychic and knew this NU blowout was coming followed by a mid-season firing.... that would explain the timing of the post.

(01-22-2015 10:47 PM)NJDuke97 Wrote:  Another "awful" thing about Coen- he doesn't really recruit New England

Their core group of players besides the transfer Eatherton (Hersey PA) are from Texas, Ohio, Florida, Minnesota, Alabama. Ask some JMU fans they would tell you Coen and Shaver are the best coaches in the league- It's not the ACC guys these are solid basketball men- Brady included- and none really has a resume that is much better than Brady's.

here's another one and JMU's next opponent- turning things around/increasing the talent level with transfers- sound familiar- let's see how it works out long term.

Coaching Record[edit]Season Team Overall Conference Standing Postseason
Niagara University Purple Eagles (Metro Atlantic Athletic Conference) (1998–2013)
1998–99 Niagara 17-12 13-5 1st
1999–00 Niagara 17-12 10-8 4th
2000–01 Niagara 15-13 12-6 2nd
2001–02 Niagara 18-14 10-6 4th
2002–03 Niagara 17-12 12-6 4th
2003–04 Niagara 22-10 13-5 2nd NIT tournament
2004–05 Niagara 20-10 13-5 1st NCAA tournament
2005–06 Niagara 11-18 7-11 7th
2006–07 Niagara 23-12 13-5 2nd NCAA tournament
2007–08 Niagara 19-10 12-6 3rd
2008–09 Niagara 26-9 14-4 2nd NIT tournament
2009–10 Niagara 18-15 9-9 6th
2010–11 Niagara 9-23 5-13 8th
2011–12 Niagara 14-19 8-10 7th
2012–13 Niagara 19-14 13-5 1st NIT tournament
Niagara Purple Eagles: 264-203 (.565) 164-104 (.612)
Hofstra Pride (Colonial Athletic Association) (2013–present)
2013–14 Hofstra 10-23 5-11 8th

(01-22-2015 09:30 PM)NJDuke97 Wrote:  Check out Coen's record/resume at Northeastern- comparable to Brady's

2006–07 Northeastern 13–19 9–9 T–5th
2007–08 Northeastern 14–17 9–9 T–6th
2008–09 Northeastern 19–13 12–6 T–3rd CBI Quarterfinals
2009–10 Northeastern 20–13 14–4 2nd NIT First Round
2010–11 Northeastern 11–20 6–12 T–9th
2011–12 Northeastern 13–17 9–9 7th
2012–13 Northeastern 20–11 14-4 1st NIT First Round
2013–14 Northeastern 11–21 7–9 5th
2014–15 Northeastern 8–4 0–0

Up and down- 3 post season appearances but no NCAA tournament- one CAA title which he has over Brady. I think they are comparable coaches. Just the way Northeastern blew the doors off JMU tonight JMU blew the doors off Northeastern in the CAA title game two years ago.

(01-22-2015 08:48 PM)atljmualum Wrote:  [quote='JMU2004' pid='11687814' dateline='1421977590']
Well, our 7th yr HC getting blown out by 25+ by a real HC certainly won't help his case.

Where is our Coen?
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This.

Perhaps Barkers is psychic and knew this NU blowout was coming followed by a mid-season firing.... that would explain the timing of the post.

Mihalich at Hofstra is a good coach and you can look at his overall record at Niagra, but Hofstra is a much better situation for recruiting. That being said if he was that good and didn't have warts he would have been somewhere else earlier.

Barkers = Deep Throat and like the famous inside man, has been spot on accurate:

I hate this thread. Why post it? What positive can come out of doing so? The players do not need this distraction. This is just wrong on so many levels.

(01-22-2015 11:25 PM)JMUNation Wrote:  I hate this thread. Why post it? What positive can come out of doing so? The players do not need this distraction. This is just wrong on so many levels.

Barkers doesnt care , he stated he is a former Major conf player , but his posts are mostly negative. Of course if you work in a certain department you are privileged to certain information , but should that info be dished to the fans asap ........i dont agree.

But it is what it is , and people love exclusive info.

(01-22-2015 11:25 PM)JMUNation Wrote:  I hate this thread. Why post it? What positive can come out of doing so? The players do not need this distraction. This is just wrong on so many levels.

This! Let let the season play out and see what happens after it is over. The team--and coach--deserve that. Unfortunately this is what the internet/message board era is all about. Personally I will hope the best for this team this season and we will see what happens based on the results, not random message board rumors. Go Dukes!

(01-22-2015 08:06 PM)HyperDuke Wrote:  

(01-22-2015 07:58 PM)Rock House Duke Wrote:  Also, whichever JMU alumnus/consultant we used to help with the hiring process for Withers we should use him again to help hire the next Men's basketball coach. I do not trust Bourne to make the hire.

I'm sure JMUJohn98 will be glad to share his perfect opinion on who we should have hired. Can't count on him to follow up on negative insinuations about Villanova's football coach, but he'll definitely tell us about 2-3 coaches he is personally best friends with that JMU turned down.

Hyper,
I didn't know the JMU men's basketball job was already open... As for best friends, I'm proud of John DeFilippo. Only 32 football coaches in the world are NFL offensive coordinators and there are hundreds of thousands of football coaches. Time will tell on Withers, but things sure worked out okay for Flip.