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RE: "Uconn being bled dry"
(01-18-2015 11:33 AM)jskwrite Wrote:  
(01-17-2015 04:38 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  
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(01-17-2015 02:23 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  
Quote:the mindless back-and-forth smack talk!

When you're the instigator of said mindlessness, you have ZERO standing to be scolding anyone on anything.

Once again, LMAO! A statement like that, coming from YOU or one of your fellow Uconn fans, is such a delightful irony!

I get the excitement of playing UNC and Duke every year, but posts these ones make me miss playing round ball in a true northeastern conference. Imagine UConn, BC, Syracuse, and Georgetown being in the same basketball conference again. Other than BC-SU, which is a mostly amicable rivalry, you could cut the hostility with a knife. Heck, throw in St. J and Villanova, too.

In my honest opinion, BC-UConn might be the best rivalry in sports. It's not that the two schools hate each other. It's that they actively want the other to stop existing, and they would love to literally tear their counterpart down and salt the earth where it was. Texas-Texas A&M, Alabama-Auburn, Ohio State-Michigan, Clemson-Southern Carolina, UCLA-USC, PSU-Pitt, and WVU-Pitt all have hatred, but only BC-UConn has true, absolute, and unending loathing.

Desperate is to UConn as pompous is to BC. Yes, BC is a better program. Neither one of these teams are elite programs. Imagine being an Ohio State listening to these two schools ***** and moan. In Edsall's last 3-5 years at UConn, they were better than BC, although BC certainly was solid then as well.. UConn won a game at Notre Dame, BC won a game at Florida State - both of those home programs were in major slumps at the time. UConn also has a conference championship and more time in the top 25 the past 10 years.. but that's another arbitrary metric. UConn would outdraw BC if they were in a P5 league because Boston is like NYC - there's a hundred other things to do in Boston and nothing to do in Hartford. Every time UConn wins a men's basketball, everywhere but the southwest corner is frenzied in the state. If BC was in an ACC title football game the same weekend as a Patriot football game, the buzz would be the Patriots. Connecticut lacks that true major league sports which really is an advantage for UConn. BC and UConn both have the advantage of being competitive in other sports, which is what everyone is missing out as a huge advantage when "the cord is cut".. it's going to be all about live sports content.. Men's basketball, baseball and other regional sports (hockey, lacrosse, baseball and even soccer) content is going to be more valuable when Joe Viewer is being every service a la carte.

The breakdown is this... BC is a slightly larger fish in a much larger pond and the current state of college athletics with their superior football program makes them more valuable. UConn has more growth potential... but it hasn't happened yet.
Not to take a side - purely out of the interest of correctness:
1. The New England Patriots

2. I'm guessing that you haven't spent a ton of time in CT. Yes, the Yankees and Red Sox (and Giants) are each technically a state over, but such arbitrary distinctions only matter in internet forums. Both teams (as well as a couple of others) might as well play in Hartford.
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RE: "Uconn being bled dry"
(01-18-2015 12:15 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  
(01-18-2015 11:33 AM)jskwrite Wrote:  
(01-17-2015 04:38 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  
(01-17-2015 03:31 PM)Eagle78 Wrote:  
(01-17-2015 02:23 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  When you're the instigator of said mindlessness, you have ZERO standing to be scolding anyone on anything.

Once again, LMAO! A statement like that, coming from YOU or one of your fellow Uconn fans, is such a delightful irony!

I get the excitement of playing UNC and Duke every year, but posts these ones make me miss playing round ball in a true northeastern conference. Imagine UConn, BC, Syracuse, and Georgetown being in the same basketball conference again. Other than BC-SU, which is a mostly amicable rivalry, you could cut the hostility with a knife. Heck, throw in St. J and Villanova, too.

In my honest opinion, BC-UConn might be the best rivalry in sports. It's not that the two schools hate each other. It's that they actively want the other to stop existing, and they would love to literally tear their counterpart down and salt the earth where it was. Texas-Texas A&M, Alabama-Auburn, Ohio State-Michigan, Clemson-Southern Carolina, UCLA-USC, PSU-Pitt, and WVU-Pitt all have hatred, but only BC-UConn has true, absolute, and unending loathing.

Desperate is to UConn as pompous is to BC. Yes, BC is a better program. Neither one of these teams are elite programs. Imagine being an Ohio State listening to these two schools ***** and moan. In Edsall's last 3-5 years at UConn, they were better than BC, although BC certainly was solid then as well.. UConn won a game at Notre Dame, BC won a game at Florida State - both of those home programs were in major slumps at the time. UConn also has a conference championship and more time in the top 25 the past 10 years.. but that's another arbitrary metric. UConn would outdraw BC if they were in a P5 league because Boston is like NYC - there's a hundred other things to do in Boston and nothing to do in Hartford. Every time UConn wins a men's basketball, everywhere but the southwest corner is frenzied in the state. If BC was in an ACC title football game the same weekend as a Patriot football game, the buzz would be the Patriots. Connecticut lacks that true major league sports which really is an advantage for UConn. BC and UConn both have the advantage of being competitive in other sports, which is what everyone is missing out as a huge advantage when "the cord is cut".. it's going to be all about live sports content.. Men's basketball, baseball and other regional sports (hockey, lacrosse, baseball and even soccer) content is going to be more valuable when Joe Viewer is being every service a la carte.

The breakdown is this... BC is a slightly larger fish in a much larger pond and the current state of college athletics with their superior football program makes them more valuable. UConn has more growth potential... but it hasn't happened yet.
Not to take a side - purely out of the interest of correctness:
1. The New England Patriots

2. I'm guessing that you haven't spent a ton of time in CT. Yes, the Yankees and Red Sox (and Giants) are each technically a state over, but such arbitrary distinctions only matter in internet forums. Both teams (as well as a couple of others) might as well play in Hartford.

The Pats may be called New England, but they are not Connecticut's team. There are just as many Giants fans in Connecticut as there are Pats fans.
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jskwrite welcome to the board...UConn could outdraw BC in Football if they had a consistent winning team in a P5 league. That is much easier said than done as you would be competing with PSU, MD, BC, Cuse, Pitt, Rutgers and every other P5 elite for the best recruits in the NE/Mid-Atlantic region. UConn has a roster of upperclass BCS recruits and still has lost in the AAC (which is weaker than the old BE)...Diaco has to win first in the AAC. UConn's last game was in poor weather and drew barely 5000 vs SMU. Cuse have never seen home games with 5000 fans (at least in my lifetime).

UConn drew well initially when it was a shiny new plaything for CT fans in a new taxpayer built stadium. UConn had easier than imagined success in a revamped Big East which kept the momentum going and the UConn fans' ego grew. UConn fans thought is was so easy to win in FB, just like hoops! Stealing a line from Robert Earl Keen, "The road goes on forever and the party never ends!"

Then reality has set in (Edsall left and Cuse/Pitt/WVU/UL Bolted)...Cuse, BC, Pitt and Rutgers fans know about the prolong swings of suck. UConn FB fans are just experiencing that with Big Time Football. Cuse, BC and Pitt have long histories and well established hard core fan bases to weather the down cycles. I'm not sure UConn has a hard core base yet to fill the stadium to 25-30k in bad years. Going to the ACC or B1G will have basically 4 auto losses built in each year...unlike the AAC.

BL: It is fools gold to think UConn has a higher upside than BC.
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RE: "Uconn being bled dry"
(01-18-2015 12:25 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  
(01-18-2015 12:15 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  
(01-18-2015 11:33 AM)jskwrite Wrote:  
(01-17-2015 04:38 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  
(01-17-2015 03:31 PM)Eagle78 Wrote:  Once again, LMAO! A statement like that, coming from YOU or one of your fellow Uconn fans, is such a delightful irony!

I get the excitement of playing UNC and Duke every year, but posts these ones make me miss playing round ball in a true northeastern conference. Imagine UConn, BC, Syracuse, and Georgetown being in the same basketball conference again. Other than BC-SU, which is a mostly amicable rivalry, you could cut the hostility with a knife. Heck, throw in St. J and Villanova, too.

In my honest opinion, BC-UConn might be the best rivalry in sports. It's not that the two schools hate each other. It's that they actively want the other to stop existing, and they would love to literally tear their counterpart down and salt the earth where it was. Texas-Texas A&M, Alabama-Auburn, Ohio State-Michigan, Clemson-Southern Carolina, UCLA-USC, PSU-Pitt, and WVU-Pitt all have hatred, but only BC-UConn has true, absolute, and unending loathing.

Desperate is to UConn as pompous is to BC. Yes, BC is a better program. Neither one of these teams are elite programs. Imagine being an Ohio State listening to these two schools ***** and moan. In Edsall's last 3-5 years at UConn, they were better than BC, although BC certainly was solid then as well.. UConn won a game at Notre Dame, BC won a game at Florida State - both of those home programs were in major slumps at the time. UConn also has a conference championship and more time in the top 25 the past 10 years.. but that's another arbitrary metric. UConn would outdraw BC if they were in a P5 league because Boston is like NYC - there's a hundred other things to do in Boston and nothing to do in Hartford. Every time UConn wins a men's basketball, everywhere but the southwest corner is frenzied in the state. If BC was in an ACC title football game the same weekend as a Patriot football game, the buzz would be the Patriots. Connecticut lacks that true major league sports which really is an advantage for UConn. BC and UConn both have the advantage of being competitive in other sports, which is what everyone is missing out as a huge advantage when "the cord is cut".. it's going to be all about live sports content.. Men's basketball, baseball and other regional sports (hockey, lacrosse, baseball and even soccer) content is going to be more valuable when Joe Viewer is being every service a la carte.

The breakdown is this... BC is a slightly larger fish in a much larger pond and the current state of college athletics with their superior football program makes them more valuable. UConn has more growth potential... but it hasn't happened yet.
Not to take a side - purely out of the interest of correctness:
1. The New England Patriots

2. I'm guessing that you haven't spent a ton of time in CT. Yes, the Yankees and Red Sox (and Giants) are each technically a state over, but such arbitrary distinctions only matter in internet forums. Both teams (as well as a couple of others) might as well play in Hartford.

The Pats may be called New England, but they are not Connecticut's team. There are just as many Giants fans in Connecticut as there are Pats fans.

I disagree. I think that there are more Pats fans, just like there are more Sox fans. That said, it completely depends on where you live in CT. IMHO, like NJ, CT is two states - NY continued, and Massachusetts continued. Unlike NJ, the dividing lines tend to blur a lot.

You're right that the state isn't dominated by one team, though (which is why I mentioned the Giants). Although, I can see how you might have thought that from my reply. Point 1 was a literal answer. He said that CT didn't have a pro sports team. CT literally does - the Pats.
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(01-18-2015 12:51 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  jskwrite welcome to the board...UConn could outdraw BC in Football if they had a consistent winning team in a P5 league. That is much easier said than done as you would be competing with PSU, MD, BC, Cuse, Pitt, Rutgers and every other P5 elite for the best recruits in the NE/Mid-Atlantic region. UConn has a roster of upperclass BCS recruits and still has lost in the AAC (which is weaker than the old BE)...Diaco has to win first in the AAC. UConn's last game was in poor weather and drew barely 5000 vs SMU. Cuse have never seen home games with 5000 fans (at least in my lifetime).

UConn drew well initially when it was a shiny new plaything for CT fans in a new taxpayer built stadium. UConn had easier than imagined success in a revamped Big East which kept the momentum going and the UConn fans' egos grew. UConn fans thought is was so easy to win in FB, just like hoops they thought. Stealing a line from Robert Earl Keen, "The road goes on forever and the party never ends!"

Then reality has set in (Edsall left and Cuse/Pitt/WVU/UL Bolted)...Cuse, BC, Pitt and Rutgers fans know about the prolong swings of suck. UConn FB fans are just experiencing that with Big Time Football. Cuse, BC and Pitt have long histories and well established hard core fan bases to weather the down cycles. I'm not sure UConn has a hard core base yet to fill the stadium to 25-30k in bad years. Going to the ACC or B1G will have basically 4 auto losses built in each year...unlike the AAC.

BL: It is fools gold to think UConn has a higher upside than BC.

A bad hire can really take the wind out of a young, growing program. UCONN's former idiotic AD really screwed over Husky fans with the Pasqualoni hire. Subtract those years and UCONN football had decent to good attendance and on-the-field performance (especially for a Northeastern FBS program). All programs have their ups and downs. UCONN's happened to be at the worst possible time. To think that Diaco can completely dig the program out of a Grand Canyon-type hole in one season is fool's gold. It will only be more difficult now that the program has been demoted and regional rivals/acquaintances are no longer.

Who knows what the future will hold, but UCONN football did pretty well in its transition from FCS to a BCS league. Can/when will UCONN rebound back? Only time will tell...
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RE: "Uconn being bled dry"
(01-18-2015 01:00 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  
(01-18-2015 12:25 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  
(01-18-2015 12:15 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  
(01-18-2015 11:33 AM)jskwrite Wrote:  
(01-17-2015 04:38 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  I get the excitement of playing UNC and Duke every year, but posts these ones make me miss playing round ball in a true northeastern conference. Imagine UConn, BC, Syracuse, and Georgetown being in the same basketball conference again. Other than BC-SU, which is a mostly amicable rivalry, you could cut the hostility with a knife. Heck, throw in St. J and Villanova, too.

In my honest opinion, BC-UConn might be the best rivalry in sports. It's not that the two schools hate each other. It's that they actively want the other to stop existing, and they would love to literally tear their counterpart down and salt the earth where it was. Texas-Texas A&M, Alabama-Auburn, Ohio State-Michigan, Clemson-Southern Carolina, UCLA-USC, PSU-Pitt, and WVU-Pitt all have hatred, but only BC-UConn has true, absolute, and unending loathing.

Desperate is to UConn as pompous is to BC. Yes, BC is a better program. Neither one of these teams are elite programs. Imagine being an Ohio State listening to these two schools ***** and moan. In Edsall's last 3-5 years at UConn, they were better than BC, although BC certainly was solid then as well.. UConn won a game at Notre Dame, BC won a game at Florida State - both of those home programs were in major slumps at the time. UConn also has a conference championship and more time in the top 25 the past 10 years.. but that's another arbitrary metric. UConn would outdraw BC if they were in a P5 league because Boston is like NYC - there's a hundred other things to do in Boston and nothing to do in Hartford. Every time UConn wins a men's basketball, everywhere but the southwest corner is frenzied in the state. If BC was in an ACC title football game the same weekend as a Patriot football game, the buzz would be the Patriots. Connecticut lacks that true major league sports which really is an advantage for UConn. BC and UConn both have the advantage of being competitive in other sports, which is what everyone is missing out as a huge advantage when "the cord is cut".. it's going to be all about live sports content.. Men's basketball, baseball and other regional sports (hockey, lacrosse, baseball and even soccer) content is going to be more valuable when Joe Viewer is being every service a la carte.

The breakdown is this... BC is a slightly larger fish in a much larger pond and the current state of college athletics with their superior football program makes them more valuable. UConn has more growth potential... but it hasn't happened yet.
Not to take a side - purely out of the interest of correctness:
1. The New England Patriots

2. I'm guessing that you haven't spent a ton of time in CT. Yes, the Yankees and Red Sox (and Giants) are each technically a state over, but such arbitrary distinctions only matter in internet forums. Both teams (as well as a couple of others) might as well play in Hartford.

The Pats may be called New England, but they are not Connecticut's team. There are just as many Giants fans in Connecticut as there are Pats fans.

I disagree. I think that there are more Pats fans, just like there are more Sox fans. That said, it completely depends on where you live in CT. IMHO, like NJ, CT is two states - NY continued, and Massachusetts continued. Unlike NJ, the dividing lines tend to blur a lot.

You're right that the state isn't dominated by one team, though (which is why I mentioned the Giants). Although, I can see how you might have thought that from my reply. Point 1 was a literal answer. He said that CT didn't have a pro sports team. CT literally does - the Pats.

This map is fascinating
[Image: twonationsovertheair2__1310243022_9657-2.jpg]

Red Sox and Yankee fans pretty much are split in half population wise...since most of the population is in the SW corner (Hartford excepted).
http://forums.nyyfans.com/showthread.php...ed-Sox-Map
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While the BC/Uconn sniping continues, at this point (and long into the future) Uconn is a nonentity to BC and BC is a nonentity to Uconn. No games equals no rivalry.

Except for BU in hockey, BC suffers from the fact that it has no true rival. Not ND in football (ND/ Michigan, ND/Stanford take care of that).

Syracuse? That one is one of those contrived ones that I guess we'll see how much it progresses. Academically, they attract different student body types. BC is the on-the-cusp elite academic school. Wealth and privilige. While 40 years ago it was a mediocre commuter school, its transformation has been remarkable. Arrogant and prideful.

Syracuse is more rough Long Island like. Not at the same level academically, but far superior basketball pedigree.

While Uconn is a better school than Syracuse, and equally has seen a remarkable rise in its academic reputation, since BC and Uconn don't play, the two schools might as well be on different planets.

Hopefully BC can find that natural rival. That will help with enthusiasm and attendance. Maybe Wake Forest?
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(01-18-2015 02:37 PM)BE4evah Wrote:  While the BC/Uconn sniping continues, at this point (and long into the future) Uconn is a nonentity to BC and BC is a nonentity to Uconn. No games equals no rivalry.

Except for BU in hockey, BC suffers from the fact that it has no true rival. Not ND in football (ND/ Michigan, ND/Stanford take care of that).

Syracuse? That one is one of those contrived ones that I guess we'll see how much it progresses. Academically, they attract different student body types. BC is the on-the-cusp elite academic school. Wealth and privilige. While 40 years ago it was a mediocre commuter school, its transformation has been remarkable. Arrogant and prideful.

Syracuse is more rough Long Island like. Not at the same level academically, but far superior basketball pedigree.

While Uconn is a better school than Syracuse, and equally has seen a remarkable rise in its academic reputation, since BC and Uconn don't play, the two schools might as well be on different planets.

Hopefully BC can find that natural rival. That will help with enthusiasm and attendance. Maybe Wake Forest?

Literally next to nothing in this post is correct.

BC and BU have a hockey rivalry, BC students are often wealthy, BC has good academics, and UConn has improved over the years. Those are the four correct facts. Everything else is left field.
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(01-18-2015 05:01 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  
(01-18-2015 02:37 PM)BE4evah Wrote:  While the BC/Uconn sniping continues, at this point (and long into the future) Uconn is a nonentity to BC and BC is a nonentity to Uconn. No games equals no rivalry.

Except for BU in hockey, BC suffers from the fact that it has no true rival. Not ND in football (ND/ Michigan, ND/Stanford take care of that).

Syracuse? That one is one of those contrived ones that I guess we'll see how much it progresses. Academically, they attract different student body types. BC is the on-the-cusp elite academic school. Wealth and privilige. While 40 years ago it was a mediocre commuter school, its transformation has been remarkable. Arrogant and prideful.

Syracuse is more rough Long Island like. Not at the same level academically, but far superior basketball pedigree.

While Uconn is a better school than Syracuse, and equally has seen a remarkable rise in its academic reputation, since BC and Uconn don't play, the two schools might as well be on different planets.

Hopefully BC can find that natural rival. That will help with enthusiasm and attendance. Maybe Wake Forest?

Literally next to nothing in this post is correct.

BC and BU have a hockey rivalry, BC students are often wealthy, and BC has good academics. Those are the three correct facts. Everything else is left field.

Typical BE4evah thread...
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(01-18-2015 01:21 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  
(01-18-2015 01:00 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  
(01-18-2015 12:25 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  
(01-18-2015 12:15 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  
(01-18-2015 11:33 AM)jskwrite Wrote:  Desperate is to UConn as pompous is to BC. Yes, BC is a better program. Neither one of these teams are elite programs. Imagine being an Ohio State listening to these two schools ***** and moan. In Edsall's last 3-5 years at UConn, they were better than BC, although BC certainly was solid then as well.. UConn won a game at Notre Dame, BC won a game at Florida State - both of those home programs were in major slumps at the time. UConn also has a conference championship and more time in the top 25 the past 10 years.. but that's another arbitrary metric. UConn would outdraw BC if they were in a P5 league because Boston is like NYC - there's a hundred other things to do in Boston and nothing to do in Hartford. Every time UConn wins a men's basketball, everywhere but the southwest corner is frenzied in the state. If BC was in an ACC title football game the same weekend as a Patriot football game, the buzz would be the Patriots. Connecticut lacks that true major league sports which really is an advantage for UConn. BC and UConn both have the advantage of being competitive in other sports, which is what everyone is missing out as a huge advantage when "the cord is cut".. it's going to be all about live sports content.. Men's basketball, baseball and other regional sports (hockey, lacrosse, baseball and even soccer) content is going to be more valuable when Joe Viewer is being every service a la carte.

The breakdown is this... BC is a slightly larger fish in a much larger pond and the current state of college athletics with their superior football program makes them more valuable. UConn has more growth potential... but it hasn't happened yet.
Not to take a side - purely out of the interest of correctness:
1. The New England Patriots

2. I'm guessing that you haven't spent a ton of time in CT. Yes, the Yankees and Red Sox (and Giants) are each technically a state over, but such arbitrary distinctions only matter in internet forums. Both teams (as well as a couple of others) might as well play in Hartford.

The Pats may be called New England, but they are not Connecticut's team. There are just as many Giants fans in Connecticut as there are Pats fans.

I disagree. I think that there are more Pats fans, just like there are more Sox fans. That said, it completely depends on where you live in CT. IMHO, like NJ, CT is two states - NY continued, and Massachusetts continued. Unlike NJ, the dividing lines tend to blur a lot.

You're right that the state isn't dominated by one team, though (which is why I mentioned the Giants). Although, I can see how you might have thought that from my reply. Point 1 was a literal answer. He said that CT didn't have a pro sports team. CT literally does - the Pats.

This map is fascinating
[Image: twonationsovertheair2__1310243022_9657-2.jpg]

Red Sox and Yankee fans pretty much are split in half population wise...since most of the population is in the SW corner (Hartford excepted).
http://forums.nyyfans.com/showthread.php...ed-Sox-Map

I can't comment on the Florida part, but the rest of the map looks pretty right. My only caveat is that although there definitely are incursions into upstate near Mass and Vermont, I don't think that there is a hook that goes into the southern ADK's. It's been my experience that, summer vacationers from CT and MA aside, that area is very pro Yankees. Obviously there are some local Red Sox fans - it's the northeast, so there's always diversity - but there aren't a ton of them when compared to the Yankees fans.

I'm also surprised that there isn't more Yankees support in PA around Scranton. I know Carlisle has a weird amount of Redskins support because the team used to train there (or something like that).

[EDIT: As a personal caveat, I've always seen Greenwich to Fairfieldish as NY that spilled over (especially Greenwich), rather than CT. Admittedly that seems weird, given I see CT as basically a battle between Mass and NY anyway, so having a separate distinction appears illogical. I'm not sure how to rectify the apparent logical contradiction. I'll have to do some soul searching.]
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NZM...the map just represents daytime radio signal coverage area of affiliate radio stations from a few years ago...it shouldn't be construed as a literal rep of actual fan areas
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(01-18-2015 05:19 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  NZM...the map just represents daytime radio signal coverage area of affiliate radio stations from a few years ago...it shouldn't be construed as a literal rep of actual fan areas

I get that, but it's a pretty decent proxy.

I'm actually surprised with how well it fits my personal experience. Like I said, with the exception of the hook and possibly PA, it's pretty dead. I imagine that makes sense because radio stations are going to play with people want to hear, so they will mirror fans more often than not.
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RE: "Uconn being bled dry"
I think Nate Silver did an analysis of the Yankee- Red Sox border.

From what I remember, Mass, Maine, NH, Vermont and Rhode Island were majority Red Sox fans. In Connecticut, the border basically followed the Connecticut River... so the Yanks had a majority west of Hartford, including New Haven and everything west. New London and Groton were with the Red Sox.

I'm on my droid, so can't easily search for that analysis.
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RE: "Uconn being bled dry"
Just as the Patriots are probably gaining fans across the northeat region, BC's popularity will rise if they win and win big. That kind of formula is pretty much set. Fans are attracted to winners.

What's missing from northeast college football are rivalries.

Who is Penn State's biggest football rival? Or even basketball?
BC's?
Maryland?
Rutgers?
Syracuse?

The state of Texas has Texas A&M. Texas/Oklahoma.
Florida has FSU/Florida
California has USC/UCLA
Oregon Ducks/OSU
WVU/Pitt
North Carolina has Duke/UNC or UNC/NC State
Georgia has Clemson/Georgia
Kentucky has UK/Louisville
and on an on.



Yet the 5 major football schools in the northeast don't have rivals,except the insular Harvard/Yale and Army/Navy. But no major schools. What's the big football rival in Mass? In Maryland? New York? Connecticut? Pennsylvania? New Jersey?

Boston, New York, Hartford, Baltimore, Philly all miss out on huge rivalries.
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RE: "Uconn being bled dry"
^ team from Pennsylvania and Rutgers already became nasty rivals this past football season in the B1G. The fans all hate each other, talk so much trash, and the coaching staffs traded some barbs as well. The two already compete for the same Pennsylvania and NJ recruits. They even had a WTF type of Seahawks-Packers finish in their game, where Rutgers was absolutely beating the crap out of the team from Pennsylvania, and then threw a pick 6, lost an onside kick, and lost the game on a quick TD.

In basketball, both programs are not particularly good so we will see, but I'm guessing if the football rivalry is like this, so will basketball.
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RE: "Uconn being bled dry"
(01-19-2015 10:19 AM)AntiG Wrote:  ^ team from Pennsylvania and Rutgers already became nasty rivals this past football season in the B1G. The fans all hate each other, talk so much trash, and the coaching staffs traded some barbs as well. The two already compete for the same Pennsylvania and NJ recruits. They even had a WTF type of Seahawks-Packers finish in their game, where Rutgers was absolutely beating the crap out of the team from Pennsylvania, and then threw a pick 6, lost an onside kick, and lost the game on a quick TD.

In basketball, both programs are not particularly good so we will see, but I'm guessing if the football rivalry is like this, so will basketball.

Over time, I can see the potential in such a rivalry. First and foremost, there has to be a recognition of both sides of the existence of a rivalry.

Penn State, given its history and storied tradition doesn't look at Rutgers the same way that Rutgers looks at Penn State. The disparity over the past decades is just too great. However, I can see Delay wanting to encourage Penn State to come around and put a lot of focus on the game. Since Penn State really only has Pitt (again, Penn State fans will laugh at Pitt as being on its level and worthy of a rival), so Rutgers might just fill that void.

Rutgers can also look to Maryland if Penn State balks and has Pitt be its rivalry game. It would be healthy for Rutgersand east coast athletics if such games develop.
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RE: "Uconn being bled dry"
(01-18-2015 01:00 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  
(01-18-2015 12:25 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  
(01-18-2015 12:15 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  
(01-18-2015 11:33 AM)jskwrite Wrote:  
(01-17-2015 04:38 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  I get the excitement of playing UNC and Duke every year, but posts these ones make me miss playing round ball in a true northeastern conference. Imagine UConn, BC, Syracuse, and Georgetown being in the same basketball conference again. Other than BC-SU, which is a mostly amicable rivalry, you could cut the hostility with a knife. Heck, throw in St. J and Villanova, too.

In my honest opinion, BC-UConn might be the best rivalry in sports. It's not that the two schools hate each other. It's that they actively want the other to stop existing, and they would love to literally tear their counterpart down and salt the earth where it was. Texas-Texas A&M, Alabama-Auburn, Ohio State-Michigan, Clemson-Southern Carolina, UCLA-USC, PSU-Pitt, and WVU-Pitt all have hatred, but only BC-UConn has true, absolute, and unending loathing.

Desperate is to UConn as pompous is to BC. Yes, BC is a better program. Neither one of these teams are elite programs. Imagine being an Ohio State listening to these two schools ***** and moan. In Edsall's last 3-5 years at UConn, they were better than BC, although BC certainly was solid then as well.. UConn won a game at Notre Dame, BC won a game at Florida State - both of those home programs were in major slumps at the time. UConn also has a conference championship and more time in the top 25 the past 10 years.. but that's another arbitrary metric. UConn would outdraw BC if they were in a P5 league because Boston is like NYC - there's a hundred other things to do in Boston and nothing to do in Hartford. Every time UConn wins a men's basketball, everywhere but the southwest corner is frenzied in the state. If BC was in an ACC title football game the same weekend as a Patriot football game, the buzz would be the Patriots. Connecticut lacks that true major league sports which really is an advantage for UConn. BC and UConn both have the advantage of being competitive in other sports, which is what everyone is missing out as a huge advantage when "the cord is cut".. it's going to be all about live sports content.. Men's basketball, baseball and other regional sports (hockey, lacrosse, baseball and even soccer) content is going to be more valuable when Joe Viewer is being every service a la carte.

The breakdown is this... BC is a slightly larger fish in a much larger pond and the current state of college athletics with their superior football program makes them more valuable. UConn has more growth potential... but it hasn't happened yet.
Not to take a side - purely out of the interest of correctness:
1. The New England Patriots

2. I'm guessing that you haven't spent a ton of time in CT. Yes, the Yankees and Red Sox (and Giants) are each technically a state over, but such arbitrary distinctions only matter in internet forums. Both teams (as well as a couple of others) might as well play in Hartford.

The Pats may be called New England, but they are not Connecticut's team. There are just as many Giants fans in Connecticut as there are Pats fans.

I disagree. I think that there are more Pats fans, just like there are more Sox fans. That said, it completely depends on where you live in CT. IMHO, like NJ, CT is two states - NY continued, and Massachusetts continued. Unlike NJ, the dividing lines tend to blur a lot.

You're right that the state isn't dominated by one team, though (which is why I mentioned the Giants). Although, I can see how you might have thought that from my reply. Point 1 was a literal answer. He said that CT didn't have a pro sports team. CT literally does - the Pats.

The Courant has often done polls on Yankees/Red Sox and it's pretty much split down the middle. I think the same is probably true of the Patriots/Giants but you also find a ton of non-local team fans in CT (Packers, Cowboys, Dolphins... etc... typical stuff you see in an area that actually lacks a true "local" team). I'd say of my friends that are real sports fans locally, there are slightly more Patriot fans but I'd put my numbers at 35% Pats, 30% giants, the rest Jets and everyone else.. needless to say, not one of them dominates unlike baseball where 95% are either Yanks or Sox. Growing up I was the only kid who wore the Patriots parka to school (remember when that was popular in the 90s? don't judge... I didn't wear Zubaz pants at least)... there were a lot of Giants, Bears, Eagles and Cowboys... I think this is mostly because the Patriots were awful then, though.

Even when the Red Sox won their first world series in anyone's life time, it still didn't compare to the local coverage of UConn's national title in 1999 or even their second national title - because there are so many Red Sox-hating Yankee fans.

The one existing BC/UConn rivalry that is blossoming is hockey... the UConn coach was a BC guy and is building that program from nothing to at least a middle-of-the-pack Hockey East program... The BC/UConn game in hartford was sold out and UConn did get the upset win. UConn needs that rivalry more than BC, for now...

A whole other can of worms would be to bring up which of those two schools has the better football coach... I'd ruffle feathers by saying BC is way ahead there too...
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RE: "Uconn being bled dry"
(01-14-2015 08:39 AM)XLance Wrote:  Are we supposed to feel sorry for UConn? If the writer is looking for someone to pin the "blame" on he needs to look no further than the genius that instigated the lawsuit.

The lawsuit didn't help, but it's just window dressing put out there to hide the real factors. The reason UL was selected over UConn begins and ends in the fact that they would have been a huge drain on the football side of the conference and even their unlimited basketball potential it wasn't enough to overcome that fact. The lawsuit being the root cause is just a message board urban myth and legend. If it were indeed such a problem then UConn would have had zero support instead of what little they did have.
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RE: "Uconn being bled dry"
lawsuit? the lawsuit that Pitt and VTech were part of? The lawsuit that upset BC so much that they blackballed UConn from Hockey East? The lawsuit has little to do with UConn not being in the ACC

Louisville was just a better option.
better FB.
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RE: "Uconn being bled dry"
Maryland clearly wants a recognized rivalry with PSU too. After their win in FB their coach kept talking about "there should be a trophy" "border state rivals" and "let the rivalry begin" etc
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