(01-14-2015 03:04 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  Does Boston College really have the pull in the ACC to prevent UConn from being a member? Or is that a myth, perpetuated by frustrated UConn fans?

I'm not familiar with ACC shenanigans but I find it hard to believe Boston College has that much pull in the ACC. They're just another Iowa State or Washington State. They're just glad they're in the cartel and they let the big boys be the decision makers.

Florida State and Clemson are the reasons why Louisville is in the ACC and not UConn.

(01-14-2015 03:41 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  But thats assuming that BC is the only one that doesnt want UConn in the conference...which I'll bet isn't the case.

I heard that FSU was pushing for Louisville over UConn. Supposely UConn was the next up after Maryland left but many school objected. Personally, I wish that the ACC had selected UConn, they are an odd fit in the AAC.

Troll baiting success.

Congrats to all those involved.

(01-14-2015 03:44 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  Troll baiting success.

Congrats to all those involved.

Yup I regret posting now. Should have known better. Exiting stage left...

That was my understanding as well, that the southern football schools were absolutely against another northern basketball school and demanded someone who took football seriously. They got a great deal with Louisville who does both sports excellently.

(01-14-2015 03:41 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  But thats assuming that BC is the only one that doesnt want UConn in the conference...which I'll bet isn't the case.

That was my implied point, 10th Mountain.

(01-14-2015 03:41 PM)Eagle78 Wrote:  

(01-14-2015 03:04 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  Does Boston College really have the pull in the ACC to prevent UConn from being a member? Or is that a myth, perpetuated by frustrated UConn fans?

Boston College is ONE vote in the ACC. By themselves, they cannot block anybody form entry into the ACC if the other ACC members want that school in. Regardless of the feelings of the former BC AD (who was one of the people PERSONALLY sued by CT state officials, BTW), this is a fact that no one can dispute.

Besides, BC owes nothing to Uconn, especially after the lawsuit. Not sure why anybody would think this is any big deal.

FWIW, IMO, rather than blame BC, Uconn fans might want to ask some hard questions of their own administrators. They finished their move up to Div. 1, and started playing in a Div. 1 conference,11 seasons ago. They have had 6 losing seasons over that 11 year period. They are at present one the worst FB teams in Div.1 and, as the article indicated, had little of 5,000 fans attend their last FB game this year. At a time when FB is the main driver in realignment, this this is not the best resume to put forward right now.

Pitt spearheaded the whole lawsuit and even Virginia Tech was on it until the ACC swapped out Syracuse for Virginia Tech thanks to a Virginia senator's intervention. In the long run, the lawsuit didn't block those two schools fron joining the ACC.

That isn't the problem The problem is this: what is comes down to is that schools like BC know that they can't compete with a school like UConn if UConn is given equal footing. So, it is easier for them to keep UConn out.

BC is like the guy at the party with the smallest wee wee. He knows he can't pick up the hot chick, so he c**k blocks the guy that can.

(01-14-2015 03:43 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  

(01-14-2015 03:04 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  Does Boston College really have the pull in the ACC to prevent UConn from being a member? Or is that a myth, perpetuated by frustrated UConn fans?

I'm not familiar with ACC shenanigans but I find it hard to believe Boston College has that much pull in the ACC. They're just another Iowa State or Washington State. They're just glad they're in the cartel and they let the big boys be the decision makers.

Florida State and Clemson are the reasons why Louisville is in the ACC and not UConn.

Spot on!

Boston College, Syracuse, Virginia Tech, and Miami are all still pissed at UConn. I think Louisville would support Cincinnati over UConn. FSU, Clemson and Georgia Tech all think UConn's football is not good enough. Over half of the members do not really want UConn for one reason or another. The morale here is never burn bridges that you might have recross in the future. It can come back to bite you on the @ss!

(01-14-2015 04:05 PM)UConnHusky Wrote:  

(01-14-2015 03:41 PM)Eagle78 Wrote:  

(01-14-2015 03:04 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  Does Boston College really have the pull in the ACC to prevent UConn from being a member? Or is that a myth, perpetuated by frustrated UConn fans?

Boston College is ONE vote in the ACC. By themselves, they cannot block anybody form entry into the ACC if the other ACC members want that school in. Regardless of the feelings of the former BC AD (who was one of the people PERSONALLY sued by CT state officials, BTW), this is a fact that no one can dispute.

Besides, BC owes nothing to Uconn, especially after the lawsuit. Not sure why anybody would think this is any big deal.

FWIW, IMO, rather than blame BC, Uconn fans might want to ask some hard questions of their own administrators. They finished their move up to Div. 1, and started playing in a Div. 1 conference,11 seasons ago. They have had 6 losing seasons over that 11 year period. They are at present one the worst FB teams in Div.1 and, as the article indicated, had little of 5,000 fans attend their last FB game this year. At a time when FB is the main driver in realignment, this this is not the best resume to put forward right now.

Pitt spearheaded the whole lawsuit and even Virginia Tech was on it until the ACC swapped out Syracuse for Virginia Tech thanks to a Virginia senator's intervention. In the long run, the lawsuit didn't block those two schools fron joining the ACC.

That isn't the problem The problem is this: what is comes down to is that schools like BC know that they can't compete with a school like UConn if UConn is given equal footing. So, it is easier for them to keep UConn out.

BC is like the guy at the party with the smallest wee wee. He knows he can't pick up the hot chick, so he c**k blocks the guy that can.

Ah, the delusional rantings of the Uconn fan.

BC cannot compete with Uconn. LMAO.

Dude, your FB program is so bad right now it cannot compete with any of its current conference mates, of which it IS on an equal footing, let alone anybody in the P5.

Again, why is it so hard to understand? BC is ONE vote in the ACC. If Uconn was such a great get, the other schools in the ACC would have voted them in. They haven't, have they? Wonder why? Hmmm?

But let the arrogance roll....as 5K fans show up to watch your FB games. Geeez.

(01-14-2015 04:19 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  Boston College, Syracuse, Virginia Tech, and Miami are all still pissed at UConn. I think Louisville would support Cincinnati over UConn. FSU, Clemson and Georgia Tech all think UConn's football is not good enough. Over half of the members do not really want UConn for one reason or another. The morale here is never burn bridges that you might have recross in the future. It can come back to bite you on the @ss!

But you missed my previous point. Pitt did the same thing to the ACC and it didn't "burn their bridges".

Also, whether Louisville supports Cincinnati over UConn won't mean diddly-squat. The ACC will take whoever ESPN tells them to take if the money is there.

(01-14-2015 03:43 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  

(01-14-2015 03:04 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  Does Boston College really have the pull in the ACC to prevent UConn from being a member? Or is that a myth, perpetuated by frustrated UConn fans?

I'm not familiar with ACC shenanigans but I find it hard to believe Boston College has that much pull in the ACC. They're just another Iowa State or Washington State. They're just glad they're in the cartel and they let the big boys be the decision makers.

Florida State and Clemson are the reasons why Louisville is in the ACC and not UConn.

Dude, comparing to Boston College to Iowa State and Washington State in this context is absurd.

Over the past 16 years, Boston College FB has had 14 winning seasons. During this same time, Iowa State FB has had 3 winning seasons and Washington State FB has had 5 winning seasons. Enough said.

We earned our spot in the ACC, just like we earned our spot hen we went to the Big East. UConn's best chance IMO is the Big 10 and I don't see them expanding again in the near future.

(01-14-2015 04:25 PM)Eagle78 Wrote:  

(01-14-2015 04:05 PM)UConnHusky Wrote:  

(01-14-2015 03:41 PM)Eagle78 Wrote:  

(01-14-2015 03:04 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  Does Boston College really have the pull in the ACC to prevent UConn from being a member? Or is that a myth, perpetuated by frustrated UConn fans?

Boston College is ONE vote in the ACC. By themselves, they cannot block anybody form entry into the ACC if the other ACC members want that school in. Regardless of the feelings of the former BC AD (who was one of the people PERSONALLY sued by CT state officials, BTW), this is a fact that no one can dispute.

Besides, BC owes nothing to Uconn, especially after the lawsuit. Not sure why anybody would think this is any big deal.

FWIW, IMO, rather than blame BC, Uconn fans might want to ask some hard questions of their own administrators. They finished their move up to Div. 1, and started playing in a Div. 1 conference,11 seasons ago. They have had 6 losing seasons over that 11 year period. They are at present one the worst FB teams in Div.1 and, as the article indicated, had little of 5,000 fans attend their last FB game this year. At a time when FB is the main driver in realignment, this this is not the best resume to put forward right now.

Pitt spearheaded the whole lawsuit and even Virginia Tech was on it until the ACC swapped out Syracuse for Virginia Tech thanks to a Virginia senator's intervention. In the long run, the lawsuit didn't block those two schools fron joining the ACC.

That isn't the problem The problem is this: what is comes down to is that schools like BC know that they can't compete with a school like UConn if UConn is given equal footing. So, it is easier for them to keep UConn out.

BC is like the guy at the party with the smallest wee wee. He knows he can't pick up the hot chick, so he c**k blocks the guy that can.

Ah, the delusional rantings of the Uconn fan.

BC cannot compete with Uconn. LMAO.

Dude, your FB program is so bad right now it cannot compete with any of its current conference mates, of which it IS on an equal footing, let alone anybody in the P5.

Again, why is it so hard to understand. BC is ONE vote in the ACC. If Uconn was such a great get, the other schools in the ACC would have voted them in. They haven't, have they? Wonder why? Hmmm?

But let the arrogance roll....as 5K fans show up to watch your FB games. Geeez.

Ah, Eagles fans are always so delusional. The reality is that UConn averaged 27,461 fans this year in a year where we were the worst we have ever been. Still, put us in the ACC and let us face ACC schools and we will compete with BC's attendance even in our down year. However, your attendance number was based on a picture from the last game of this bad year against a struggling SMU program in the driving rain.

As for sports reality, UConn has beaten BC 26 TIMES IN A ROW in basketball!!! I am certain that BC doesn't want to take that curb stomping every year.

As for why the ACC took Syracuse and Pitt before us? As I said, ESPN told them to do so and those schools have a richer football history at the FBS level than UConn (who is a relative newcomer in that regard). As for Louisville being taken over UConn, it was a magical time for Louisville where all of their teams were good at the same time and their facilities were all brand new and top notch. Kudos to Jurich for steering the ship so well at Louisville.

As for UConn football, BC is currently better since UConn is a young team and since it is harder for us to recruit for football in the AAC. Once again, put us in the ACC and we would be competitive again.

I love how the clowns at BC Interruption are obsessed with UConn. Every other thread is about UConn. However, UConn fans couldn't care less about BC.

(01-14-2015 04:50 PM)rednblackattack Wrote:  We earned our spot in the ACC, just like we earned our spot hen we went to the Big East. UConn's best chance IMO is the Big 10 and I don't see them expanding again in the near future.

Agree with your comments about earning the spot. When it came down to the ACC making the last decision regarding expansion, UL was excelling in both FB and BB. Not a hard decision to make, IMHO.

(01-14-2015 04:54 PM)Eagle78 Wrote:  

(01-14-2015 04:50 PM)rednblackattack Wrote:  We earned our spot in the ACC, just like we earned our spot hen we went to the Big East. UConn's best chance IMO is the Big 10 and I don't see them expanding again in the near future.

Agree with your comments about earning the spot. When it came down to the ACC making the last decision regarding expansion, UL was excelling in both FB and BB. Not a hard decision to make, IMHO.

I agree with you there Eagle.

(01-14-2015 04:26 PM)UConnHusky Wrote:  

(01-14-2015 04:19 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  Boston College, Syracuse, Virginia Tech, and Miami are all still pissed at UConn. I think Louisville would support Cincinnati over UConn. FSU, Clemson and Georgia Tech all think UConn's football is not good enough. Over half of the members do not really want UConn for one reason or another. The morale here is never burn bridges that you might have recross in the future. It can come back to bite you on the @ss!

But you missed my previous point. Pitt did the same thing to the ACC and it didn't "burn their bridges".

Also, whether Louisville supports Cincinnati over UConn won't mean diddly-squat. The ACC will take whoever ESPN tells them to take if the money is there.

It must suck that ESPN in HQ'd in CT and that can't even get you guys in the club. What's up with that?

(01-14-2015 04:53 PM)UConnHusky Wrote:  

(01-14-2015 04:25 PM)Eagle78 Wrote:  

(01-14-2015 04:05 PM)UConnHusky Wrote:  

(01-14-2015 03:41 PM)Eagle78 Wrote:  

(01-14-2015 03:04 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  Does Boston College really have the pull in the ACC to prevent UConn from being a member? Or is that a myth, perpetuated by frustrated UConn fans?

Boston College is ONE vote in the ACC. By themselves, they cannot block anybody form entry into the ACC if the other ACC members want that school in. Regardless of the feelings of the former BC AD (who was one of the people PERSONALLY sued by CT state officials, BTW), this is a fact that no one can dispute.

Besides, BC owes nothing to Uconn, especially after the lawsuit. Not sure why anybody would think this is any big deal.

FWIW, IMO, rather than blame BC, Uconn fans might want to ask some hard questions of their own administrators. They finished their move up to Div. 1, and started playing in a Div. 1 conference,11 seasons ago. They have had 6 losing seasons over that 11 year period. They are at present one the worst FB teams in Div.1 and, as the article indicated, had little of 5,000 fans attend their last FB game this year. At a time when FB is the main driver in realignment, this this is not the best resume to put forward right now.

Pitt spearheaded the whole lawsuit and even Virginia Tech was on it until the ACC swapped out Syracuse for Virginia Tech thanks to a Virginia senator's intervention. In the long run, the lawsuit didn't block those two schools fron joining the ACC.

That isn't the problem The problem is this: what is comes down to is that schools like BC know that they can't compete with a school like UConn if UConn is given equal footing. So, it is easier for them to keep UConn out.

BC is like the guy at the party with the smallest wee wee. He knows he can't pick up the hot chick, so he c**k blocks the guy that can.

Ah, the delusional rantings of the Uconn fan.

BC cannot compete with Uconn. LMAO.

Dude, your FB program is so bad right now it cannot compete with any of its current conference mates, of which it IS on an equal footing, let alone anybody in the P5.

Again, why is it so hard to understand. BC is ONE vote in the ACC. If Uconn was such a great get, the other schools in the ACC would have voted them in. They haven't, have they? Wonder why? Hmmm?

But let the arrogance roll....as 5K fans show up to watch your FB games. Geeez.

Ah, Eagles fans are always so delusional. The reality is that UConn averaged 27,461 fans this year in a year where we were the worst we have ever been. Still, put us in the ACC and let us face ACC schools and we will compete with BC's attendance even in our down year. However, your attendance number was based on a picture from the last game of this bad year against a struggling SMU program in the driving rain.

As for sports reality, UConn has beaten BC 26 TIMES IN A ROW in basketball!!! I am certain that BC doesn't want to take that curb stomping every year.

As for why the ACC took Syracuse and Pitt before us? As I said, ESPN told them to do so and those schools have a richer football history at the FBS level than UConn (who is a relative newcomer in that regard). As for Louisville being taken over UConn, it was a magical time for Louisville where all of their teams were good at the same time and their facilities were all brand new and top notch. Kudos to Jurich for steering the ship so well at Louisville.

As for UConn football, BC is currently better since UConn is a young team and since it is harder for us to recruit for football in the AAC. Once again, put us in the ACC and we would be competitive again.

I love how the clowns at BC Interruption are obsessed with UConn. Every other thread is about UConn. However, UConn fans couldn't care less about BC.

Yes...you guys are delusional.

Read the article....Uconn reports attendance based on tickets distributed. It reported something like 22K fans for its last game (which went into the 27K average number). As Jacobs indicates in his column, the ACTUAL attendance was a shocking little more than 5K. You don't think potential P5 conferences can't see through this?

You guys talk about how hard it is for Uconn to recruit in the AAC. Really? Why is it then that ALL of the other AAC teams seem to be better at it than Uconn? Look, if Uconn was successful in the AAC, you might have a case to make. However, you guys aren't even competitive against the programs that have LESS resources than you; so your claim is laughable, IMO.

The fact is that in the 11 years Uconn has played in a Div. 1 conference, it has had 6 losing seasons! That's a fact that you guys own.

Congrats on the basketball success over BC. (You can always tell when Uconn fans have lost this argument when they pull out that chestnut!). Unfortunately, BB is not a driver of realignment, so your point is meaningless.

BTW, all the BCI website did was link the article. Of course, no BC centric articles are ever posted in the Uconn fan website. No sir!

It's almost impossible to have a discussion on this subject without the BC and Uconn fans going at one another's throat. I feel that this discussion should focus on something much more simple than who did what, when and where a decade ago- money. Dollars and cents will rule. That is why Jacobs used the term "bled dry". Sure he used it metaphorically in the general sense that Uconn is like a bull being killed one vara at a time. But the important point is the weakening of the financial health of the athletic department. Increased costs, travel expenses, scant TV revenue, heavy student subsidies, fans staying away, aging/off campus facilities (Xcel center old and off campus, gampel, Rentschler- no longer a new facility located 30 miles from its students),cost of attendance, no meaningful bowl revenue, prospects dim for NCAA tourney revenue of the magnitude pre-split. It goes on and on. But it comes down to money.

Paradoxically the academic standing of the university has never been higher. It is far and away the premier public school in New England, stands shoulder to shoulder with the best of the publics across the nation, has had billions of dollars in new spending to build out its campus, hundreds and hundreds of millions for its STEM initiative.

Jacobs is soul searching as is a lot of Uconn folks.

(01-14-2015 06:30 PM)BE4evah Wrote:  It's almost impossible to have a discussion on this subject without the BC and Uconn fans going at one another's throat. I feel that this discussion should focus on something much more simple than who did what, when and where a decade ago- money. Dollars and cents will rule. That is why Jacobs used the term "bled dry". Sure he used it metaphorically in the general sense that Uconn is like a bull being killed one vara at a time. But the important point is the weakening of the financial health of the athletic department. Increased costs, travel expenses, scant TV revenue, heavy student subsidies, fans staying away, aging/off campus facilities (Xcel center old and off campus, gampel, Rentschler- no longer a new facility located 30 miles from its students),cost of attendance, no meaningful bowl revenue, prospects dim for NCAA tourney revenue of the magnitude pre-split. It goes on and on. But it comes down to money.

Paradoxically the academic standing of the university has never been higher. It is far and away the premier public school in New England, stands shoulder to shoulder with the best of the publics across the nation, has had billions of dollars in new spending to build out its campus, hundreds and hundreds of millions for its STEM initiative.

Jacobs is soul searching as is a lot of Uconn folks.

I don't know if any conference is ever going to see the NCAA money the big east was earning there at the end.

The fans staying away is as much the other teams gone as it is the Big East teams gone. The last 3 years in the Big East- UConn had 11 games against Rutgers, Louisville, Syracuse, Notre Dame, and Pitt. Only 12 against the C7. Avg attendance was almost exactly the same(the others up by 10- 12923 to 12913.) There's no guarantee that attendance would have remained the same in the Big East for basketball.