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RE: Will Houston be able to replicate Ohio State?
(01-14-2015 09:18 PM)rtaylor Wrote:  
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(01-14-2015 08:40 PM)rtaylor Wrote:  Sorry, Pesik, but I have read your posts for two plus years, and I do not see it, you have your UH colored glasses on, the rest of the country does not. Houston's record over the last two years tells us all we need to know.

8-5 and 8-5.. is an indication of bad?

first off no one expected us good 2 years ago, we played 1 senior and 4 or 5 juniors total, literally everyone else in the 2deep was sophomore or freshman ..including our qb and back up qb both true freshman ... we were 6th in the preseason media poll after usf and projected not to make a bowl..we finished 8-5

secondly last year it wasn't just UH colored glasses that saw our potential, espn had a feature article that we would be the best g5...

and we had 10 loses in the last 2years total 7 of which were by 1 score or less, 5 of which were on goal line stands..we could have easily been a 10 win team this year or the year before ..im not sure what you've seen that has pointed to bad

i also completely don't understand why you keep acting like changing coaches wont make a difference ...when almost certainly will be a different team for better or worse next year as with all new coaches ....whatever you saw this season wont be what you're seeing next year..

most of your post honestly just sounds like a hater...a fan who is willing to down talk any team not cincy
also i bet you said the same about memphis last year...

Nope, again. I am not ripping on Houston, I just do not see the over all great talent that was wasted under Levine, I think you are over estimating the talent on the roster.

You can't see something unless you're willing to look. You're just willing to close your eyes and proclaim that things are just not there.
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RE: Will Houston be able to replicate Ohio State?
(01-14-2015 09:31 PM)dezagcoog Wrote:  
(01-14-2015 09:18 PM)rtaylor Wrote:  
(01-14-2015 09:07 PM)pesik Wrote:  
(01-14-2015 08:40 PM)rtaylor Wrote:  Sorry, Pesik, but I have read your posts for two plus years, and I do not see it, you have your UH colored glasses on, the rest of the country does not. Houston's record over the last two years tells us all we need to know.

8-5 and 8-5.. is an indication of bad?

first off no one expected us good 2 years ago, we played 1 senior and 4 or 5 juniors total, literally everyone else in the 2deep was sophomore or freshman ..including our qb and back up qb both true freshman ... we were 6th in the preseason media poll after usf and projected not to make a bowl..we finished 8-5

secondly last year it wasn't just UH colored glasses that saw our potential, espn had a feature article that we would be the best g5...

and we had 10 loses in the last 2years total 7 of which were by 1 score or less, 5 of which were on goal line stands..we could have easily been a 10 win team this year or the year before ..im not sure what you've seen that has pointed to bad

i also completely don't understand why you keep acting like changing coaches wont make a difference ...when almost certainly will be a different team for better or worse next year as with all new coaches ....whatever you saw this season wont be what you're seeing next year..

most of your post honestly just sounds like a hater...a fan who is willing to down talk any team not cincy
also i bet you said the same about memphis last year...

Nope, again. I am not ripping on Houston, I just do not see the over all great talent that was wasted under Levine, I think you are over estimating the talent on the roster.

You can't see something unless you're willing to look. You're just willing to close your eyes and proclaim that things are just not there.

Ok, I guess we will wait till next season to find out, again, not ripping UH, just do not see it.
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RE: Will Houston be able to replicate Ohio State?
(01-14-2015 09:18 PM)rtaylor Wrote:  Nope, again. I am not ripping on Houston, I just do not see the over all great talent that was wasted under Levine, I think you are over estimating the talent on the roster.

there were 3 total 5 star recruits in the AAC, 2 of them were in houston (the other gunner kiel)
http://cfn.scout.com/a.z?s=451&p=8&c=1&nid=5095620
http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/re...bles-82992

okorn was a power in high school, who would have probably been rated a 4 or 5 star player if his first year starting wasnt his senior year, he won florida offensive player of the year, luckily for us he was commited to us before his stock got hot (wisconsin arkansas and louisville heavily pursued him late in the recruiting process)..and then had a historic freshmen year as far as stats and did it will sharing snaps with a wildcat system...both our running backs were touted, we had 2 other 3 highly touted WR lined up/along with ward at wr...and on paper our OLine was one of the most experienced in the league...

if your comparing us to bama, we didnt really waste talent, but for the AAC standard on paper we were stacked and should have done dramatically bette than we actually did...
you are blind if you cant see that

and again it wasnt just houston homers who saw that.
http://insider.espn.go.com/blog/travis-h...-five-team
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RE: Will Houston be able to replicate Ohio State?
(01-14-2015 09:38 PM)pesik Wrote:  
(01-14-2015 09:18 PM)rtaylor Wrote:  Nope, again. I am not ripping on Houston, I just do not see the over all great talent that was wasted under Levine, I think you are over estimating the talent on the roster.

there were 3 total 5 star recruits in the AAC, 2 of them were in houston (the other gunner kiel)
http://cfn.scout.com/a.z?s=451&p=8&c=1&nid=5095620
http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/re...bles-82992

okorn was a power in high school, who would have probably been rated a 4 or 5 star player if his first year starting wasnt his senior year, he won florida offensive player of the year, luckily for us he was commited to us before his stock got hot (wisconsin arkansas and louisville heavily pursued him late in the recruiting process)..and then had a historic freshmen year as far as stats and did it will sharing snaps with a wildcat system...both our running backs were touted, we had 2 other 3 highly touted WR lined up/along with ward at wr...and on paper our OLine was one of the most experienced in the league...

if your comparing us to bama, we didnt really waste talent, but for the AAC standard on paper we were stacked and should have done dramatically bette than we actually did...
you are blind if you cant see that

and again it wasnt just houston homers who saw that.
http://insider.espn.go.com/blog/travis-h...-five-team

Pesik, that is awrsome, sometimes the stars for recruits do not pan out. We will see next season, you made your own poibt by bringing up Okorn.
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This guy is thick. No point in arguing with a brick wall.
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(01-14-2015 09:18 PM)rtaylor Wrote:  Nope, again. I am not ripping on Houston, I just do not see the over all great talent that was wasted under Levine, I think you are over estimating the talent on the roster.

Put it this way. If we managed to finish 8-5 the last two years with the lack of coaching on the offensive side (Gibbs was a beast on D so no issue there) how would you expect a similar level of talent to perform with quality coaching?
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RE: Will Houston be able to replicate Ohio State?
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(01-14-2015 09:18 PM)rtaylor Wrote:  Nope, again. I am not ripping on Houston, I just do not see the over all great talent that was wasted under Levine, I think you are over estimating the talent on the roster.

Put it this way. If we managed to finish 8-5 the last two years with the lack of coaching on the offensive side (Gibbs was a beast on D so no issue there) how would you expect a similar level of talent to perform with quality coaching?

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(01-15-2015 09:34 AM)GeminiShamrock Wrote:  
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(01-14-2015 09:18 PM)rtaylor Wrote:  Nope, again. I am not ripping on Houston, I just do not see the over all great talent that was wasted under Levine, I think you are over estimating the talent on the roster.

Put it this way. If we managed to finish 8-5 the last two years with the lack of coaching on the offensive side (Gibbs was a beast on D so no issue there) how would you expect a similar level of talent to perform with quality coaching?

Game, set, match.
Maybe your coaching was better than you thought and the players just weren't quite as good as expected.

Uh Oh, game might still be on.05-stirthepot
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(01-15-2015 09:39 AM)CincyBro Wrote:  Maybe your coaching was better than you thought and the players just weren't quite as good as expected.

Uh Oh, game might still be on.05-stirthepot

Lets see........

Who's still out of work?

Pretty much our entire previous offensive staff and our head coach.

Who got swooped up in a flash?

Pretty much our entire previous defensive staff.
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(01-15-2015 09:39 AM)CincyBro Wrote:  
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(01-15-2015 09:31 AM)GO Coogs GO!!! Wrote:  
(01-14-2015 09:18 PM)rtaylor Wrote:  Nope, again. I am not ripping on Houston, I just do not see the over all great talent that was wasted under Levine, I think you are over estimating the talent on the roster.

Put it this way. If we managed to finish 8-5 the last two years with the lack of coaching on the offensive side (Gibbs was a beast on D so no issue there) how would you expect a similar level of talent to perform with quality coaching?

Game, set, match.
Maybe your coaching was better than you thought and the players just weren't quite as good as expected.

Uh Oh, game might still be on.05-stirthepot

or put this out there
2010 piland a true fresh with not expecting to play (keenum and back up both hurt same game for the season) put up impressive numbers for a true freshmen under kliff kingbury

2012 under bush, piland had a horrible sophmore season and was benched

2013 we hire a new OC Meachum, okorn has an amzing true freshmen year stat wise (broke a few school records and won the leagues rookie of the year).

2014 meachum goes to tcu, levine decides bush has learned from meachum rehires (despite the fans disapproval)..okorn has a horrible year and is benched

if you knew the whole story your theory would be very weak..our interim head coach/former DC even said we have never had a qb coach since levine took over and just had OC's which really werent qb coachs in charge of the QB's and think herman will do the qbs good
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(01-15-2015 09:39 AM)CincyBro Wrote:  Maybe your coaching was better than you thought and the players just weren't quite as good as expected.

Uh Oh, game might still be on.05-stirthepot

To further expand on my point....

Tony Levine HC: Out of work
Travis Bush OC/"QB": Out of work.
Gordy Shaw OL: Out of work.
Tony Jeffery WR: Out of work.
Dan Hammerschmidt RB: Hired to D staff at Ok St.

Gibbs DC: Hired at Texas Tech.
Spavital DB: Hired at Texas Tech.
Logo DL: Hired at Colorado State.
Hargreaves LB: Out of work.

Pretty much explains the coaching situation we had in 2014.
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RE: Will Houston be able to replicate Ohio State?
(01-15-2015 09:42 AM)GO Coogs GO!!! Wrote:  
(01-15-2015 09:39 AM)CincyBro Wrote:  Maybe your coaching was better than you thought and the players just weren't quite as good as expected.

Uh Oh, game might still be on.05-stirthepot

Lets see........

Who's still out of work?

Pretty much our entire previous offensive staff and our head coach.

Who got swooped up in a flash?

Pretty much our entire previous defensive staff.

Wouldn't Houston fans be cautious with that much turnover for next year. I think the season after next will start to show for Houston. It's going to take those kids time to adjust to their new coaching staff.
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RE: Will Houston be able to replicate Ohio State?
(01-15-2015 11:26 AM)Ramen_Tiger Wrote:  
(01-15-2015 09:42 AM)GO Coogs GO!!! Wrote:  
(01-15-2015 09:39 AM)CincyBro Wrote:  Maybe your coaching was better than you thought and the players just weren't quite as good as expected.

Uh Oh, game might still be on.05-stirthepot

Lets see........

Who's still out of work?

Pretty much our entire previous offensive staff and our head coach.

Who got swooped up in a flash?

Pretty much our entire previous defensive staff.

Wouldn't Houston fans be cautious with that much turnover for next year. I think the season after next will start to show for Houston. It's going to take those kids time to adjust to their new coaching staff.

Nah. They will have a full year to adjust. Levine was a first time coach with a very thin resume that surrounded himself with an uneven staff. Herman is just a much stronger candidate. He is Mensa member smart and understands how to build a staff and a winning culture. Herman has a much deeper resume than Levine and has surrounded himself with experienced high end assistant staff. If will look like night and day in 2015.

I dont understand the concept that the team will take a step back with better coaching. Its kinda like saying it will take them a year to get used to being told how to do things right. The reality is they will START getting better immediately once they are being told the right way to handle things. This isn't Texas where Strong had to weed out a bunch of knuckle heads.

Plus, this is the AAC--not he Big-12. Its not like there was much difference between Houston and the league champs (beat one and had the other two on the ropes in the final minute). I do agree Houston probably will not fully reach it's potential for several years as talent gains from superior recruiting and experience in the system build. But we will improve from this year---and it really wouldn't take much improvement to overcome the paper thin lead Cinci, Memphis, and UCF had on us.
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RE: Will Houston be able to replicate Ohio State?
(01-15-2015 11:41 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(01-15-2015 11:26 AM)Ramen_Tiger Wrote:  
(01-15-2015 09:42 AM)GO Coogs GO!!! Wrote:  
(01-15-2015 09:39 AM)CincyBro Wrote:  Maybe your coaching was better than you thought and the players just weren't quite as good as expected.

Uh Oh, game might still be on.05-stirthepot

Lets see........

Who's still out of work?

Pretty much our entire previous offensive staff and our head coach.

Who got swooped up in a flash?

Pretty much our entire previous defensive staff.

Wouldn't Houston fans be cautious with that much turnover for next year. I think the season after next will start to show for Houston. It's going to take those kids time to adjust to their new coaching staff.

Nah. They will have a full year to adjust. Levine was a first time coach with a very thin resume that surrounded himself with an uneven staff. Herman is just a much stronger candidate. He is Mensa member smart and understands how to build a staff and a winning culture. Herman has a much deeper resume than Levine and has surrounded himself with experienced high end assistant staff. If will look like night and day in 2015.

I dont understand the concept that the team will take a step back with better coaching. Its kinda like saying it will take them a year to get used to being told how to do things right. The reality is they will START getting better immediately once they are being told the right way to handle things. This isn't Texas where Strong had to weed out a bunch of knuckle heads.

Plus, this is the AAC--not he Big-12. Its not like there was much difference between Houston and the league champs (beat one and had the other two on the ropes in the final minute). I do agree Houston probably will not fully reach it's potential for several years as talent gains from superior recruiting and experience in the system build. But we will improve from this year---and it really wouldn't take much improvement to overcome the paper thin lead Cinci, Memphis, and UCF had on us.

Ok we will see. It took Fuente 3 years to get what he wanted to do here like he did at TCU. We aren't finished by no means but it took some time to get to this point this year. Especially considering how far ahead talent wise most of the schools we played this year had on us. I just hope you guys don't hang Herman if the season is 6-6 or 7-5.
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