(01-13-2015 02:05 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(01-13-2015 01:56 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(01-13-2015 06:17 AM)CardFan1 Wrote:  

(01-12-2015 11:07 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(01-12-2015 10:50 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  I just want to reduce the risk of some pothead crashing his car into someone in my family.

I don't give a rat's a$$ if some stoner wants to damage his own brain. I hope they do.

problem with that logic is that it's been shown that driving under the influence of weed is nowhere near as bad as driving under the influence of alcohol. not justifying either, or saying either should be legal. It's just a misinformed talking point.

No, I can tell You from experience that Pot is Much stronger than most alcoholic drinks.

the science says otherwise.

False. Have a drink and then take a bong hit. Then let me know which one impaired you.

now that is some hilarious logic right there.

now don't let the facts or science get in the way of things





or popular opinion.

A new Pew survey out today provides yet another illustration of the failure of America's drug war. By a nearly five-to-one margin, Americans agree that alcohol is worse for you than marijuana.

(01-13-2015 02:32 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(01-13-2015 02:05 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(01-13-2015 01:56 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(01-13-2015 06:17 AM)CardFan1 Wrote:  

(01-12-2015 11:07 PM)john01992 Wrote:  problem with that logic is that it's been shown that driving under the influence of weed is nowhere near as bad as driving under the influence of alcohol. not justifying either, or saying either should be legal. It's just a misinformed talking point.

No, I can tell You from experience that Pot is Much stronger than most alcoholic drinks.

the science says otherwise.

False. Have a drink and then take a bong hit. Then let me know which one impaired you.

now that is some hilarious logic right there.

now don't let the facts or science get in the way of things





or popular opinion.

A new Pew survey out today provides yet another illustration of the failure of America's drug war. By a nearly five-to-one margin, Americans agree that alcohol is worse for you than marijuana.

You didn't read the study nor do you understand those graphics you posted. They don't rebut ER's point. The Lancet study consider multiple factors, such as crime, degree of use in society, economic impact, etc. ER is referring to the effect on a person's motor skills and head.

Just pulling up the info-graph isn't a valid point to use John, unless you've got some explanation (via link or article) that explains what those numbers are for?

Again, I'd PROBABLY be in agreement with you on this argument, but I'd need something more than just pretty graphics. I need to know what the report actually says and what those charts show/say?

(01-13-2015 02:05 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(01-13-2015 01:56 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(01-13-2015 06:17 AM)CardFan1 Wrote:  

(01-12-2015 11:07 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(01-12-2015 10:50 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  I just want to reduce the risk of some pothead crashing his car into someone in my family.

I don't give a rat's a$$ if some stoner wants to damage his own brain. I hope they do.

problem with that logic is that it's been shown that driving under the influence of weed is nowhere near as bad as driving under the influence of alcohol. not justifying either, or saying either should be legal. It's just a misinformed talking point.

No, I can tell You from experience that Pot is Much stronger than most alcoholic drinks.

the science says otherwise.

False. Have a drink and then take a bong hit. Then let me know which one impaired you.

That is misleading. A more apt analogy would be rip two shots of 100 proof vodka and take a bong hit. Depending on your tolerance, the amount of impairment would likely be the same in twenty minutes.

Drinking a beer would be more akin to sharing a joint of mids with someone over a ten minute period.

(01-13-2015 02:05 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(01-13-2015 01:56 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(01-13-2015 06:17 AM)CardFan1 Wrote:  

(01-12-2015 11:07 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(01-12-2015 10:50 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  I just want to reduce the risk of some pothead crashing his car into someone in my family.

I don't give a rat's a$$ if some stoner wants to damage his own brain. I hope they do.

problem with that logic is that it's been shown that driving under the influence of weed is nowhere near as bad as driving under the influence of alcohol. not justifying either, or saying either should be legal. It's just a misinformed talking point.

No, I can tell You from experience that Pot is Much stronger than most alcoholic drinks.

the science says otherwise.

False. Have a drink and then take a bong hit. Then let me know which one impaired you.

According to the letter of the law both would impair you. It only takes one drink for most folks to be above the legal limit.

However, that side discussion is really beside the point as nobody should be driving impaired whether it's under the influence of alcohol, weed, cocaine or Rx medicines for that matter. All are equally "bad" according to the law. Adults should be allowed to make their own decisions regarding drug use and their own bodies.

(01-13-2015 02:49 PM)GeorgeBorkFan Wrote:  

(01-13-2015 02:32 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(01-13-2015 02:05 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(01-13-2015 01:56 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(01-13-2015 06:17 AM)CardFan1 Wrote:  No, I can tell You from experience that Pot is Much stronger than most alcoholic drinks.

the science says otherwise.

False. Have a drink and then take a bong hit. Then let me know which one impaired you.

now that is some hilarious logic right there.

now don't let the facts or science get in the way of things





or popular opinion.

A new Pew survey out today provides yet another illustration of the failure of America's drug war. By a nearly five-to-one margin, Americans agree that alcohol is worse for you than marijuana.

You didn't read the study nor do you understand those graphics you posted. They don't rebut ER's point. The Lancet study consider multiple factors, such as crime, degree of use in society, economic impact, etc. ER is referring to the effect on a person's motor skills and head.

I perfectly understand those graphs hence the reason I posted them. I was refuting the general concept that weed is worse than alcohol. which was ERs point (you are being the pathetic wimp who is trying to change his stance after the fact). in every single category that notion is incorrect INCLUDING driving under the influence.

Evidence suggests that is not the case. But it also suggests that we may not have as much to fear from stoned driving as from drunken driving. Some researchers say that limited resources are better applied to continuing to reduce drunken driving. Stoned driving, they say, is simply less dangerous.

this paragraph is also interesting:

Dr. Huestis also found that in laboratory studies, most people who were high could pass simple tests of memory, addition and subtraction, though they had to use more brainpower than sober people who passed the same tests. People who were drunk were much more likely to fail.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/18/health...juana.html

(01-13-2015 02:56 PM)DaSaintFan Wrote:  Just pulling up the info-graph isn't a valid point to use John, unless you've got some explanation (via link or article) that explains what those numbers are for?

http://www.forbes.com/sites/davidkroll/2...rely-safe/

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonk...n-alcohol/

(01-13-2015 02:56 PM)All Dukes_All Day Wrote:  

(01-13-2015 02:05 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(01-13-2015 01:56 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(01-13-2015 06:17 AM)CardFan1 Wrote:  

(01-12-2015 11:07 PM)john01992 Wrote:  problem with that logic is that it's been shown that driving under the influence of weed is nowhere near as bad as driving under the influence of alcohol. not justifying either, or saying either should be legal. It's just a misinformed talking point.

No, I can tell You from experience that Pot is Much stronger than most alcoholic drinks.

the science says otherwise.

False. Have a drink and then take a bong hit. Then let me know which one impaired you.

That is misleading. A more apt analogy would be rip two shots of 100 proof vodka and take a bong hit. Depending on your tolerance, the amount of impairment would likely be the same in twenty minutes.

Drinking a beer would be more akin to sharing a joint of mids with someone over a ten minute period.

Not even close. Drinking 10 beers, maybe, but a beer, even a potent IP will have no noticeable effect. A half a joint of mids is going to f you up, albeit with a headache an hour later. Unless you are a complete burnout and you have problems irrelevant to the conversation, a single bong hit of kind buds is going to f you up.

(01-13-2015 03:01 PM)john01992 Wrote:  this paragraph is also interesting:

Dr. Huestis also found that in laboratory studies, most people who were high could pass simple tests of memory, addition and subtraction, though they had to use more brainpower than sober people who passed the same tests. People who were drunk were much more likely to fail.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/18/health...juana.html

That's how I used to study for chemistry and Calculus. Ended up getting an A in one and B in the other. That's coming from somebody that HATED Calculus but it made sense when I was stoned.

The fact is that you've got to smoke A LOT of really strong stuff to reach the point that your critical thinking and motor skills are impaired. I've played some of my best street ball stoned. Kind of the whole "be the ball" thing applies I believe. Didn't think about the play, just went out and did it.

For most people, the worst thing that happens is they become paranoid and think "too much" depending on your personality.

(01-13-2015 03:06 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(01-13-2015 02:56 PM)All Dukes_All Day Wrote:  

(01-13-2015 02:05 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(01-13-2015 01:56 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(01-13-2015 06:17 AM)CardFan1 Wrote:  No, I can tell You from experience that Pot is Much stronger than most alcoholic drinks.

the science says otherwise.

False. Have a drink and then take a bong hit. Then let me know which one impaired you.

That is misleading. A more apt analogy would be rip two shots of 100 proof vodka and take a bong hit. Depending on your tolerance, the amount of impairment would likely be the same in twenty minutes.

Drinking a beer would be more akin to sharing a joint of mids with someone over a ten minute period.

Not even close. Drinking 10 beers, maybe, but a beer, even a potent IP will have no noticeable effect. A half a joint of mids is going to f you up, albeit with a headache an hour later. Unless you are a complete burnout and you have problems irrelevant to the conversation, a single bong hit of kind buds is going to f you up.

you are so clueless that it's starting to get ridiculous.

Have a regular sized glass of Everclear. Remember it's just one drink...

(01-13-2015 03:06 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(01-13-2015 02:56 PM)All Dukes_All Day Wrote:  

(01-13-2015 02:05 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(01-13-2015 01:56 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(01-13-2015 06:17 AM)CardFan1 Wrote:  No, I can tell You from experience that Pot is Much stronger than most alcoholic drinks.

the science says otherwise.

False. Have a drink and then take a bong hit. Then let me know which one impaired you.

That is misleading. A more apt analogy would be rip two shots of 100 proof vodka and take a bong hit. Depending on your tolerance, the amount of impairment would likely be the same in twenty minutes.

Drinking a beer would be more akin to sharing a joint of mids with someone over a ten minute period.

Not even close. Drinking 10 beers, maybe, but a beer, even a potent IP will have no noticeable effect. A half a joint of mids is going to f you up, albeit with a headache an hour later. Unless you are a complete burnout and you have problems irrelevant to the conversation, a single bong hit of kind buds is going to f you up.

I'm sorry but....
You either smoked some killer stuff or you have no tolerance for alcohol.
I've literally NEVER had a headache after smoking. In fact quite the opposite as it's a great pain killer.

FWIW, I don't smoke anymore. My wife's attitude towards it is very similar to yours.

(01-13-2015 03:06 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(01-13-2015 02:56 PM)All Dukes_All Day Wrote:  

(01-13-2015 02:05 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(01-13-2015 01:56 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(01-13-2015 06:17 AM)CardFan1 Wrote:  No, I can tell You from experience that Pot is Much stronger than most alcoholic drinks.

the science says otherwise.

False. Have a drink and then take a bong hit. Then let me know which one impaired you.

That is misleading. A more apt analogy would be rip two shots of 100 proof vodka and take a bong hit. Depending on your tolerance, the amount of impairment would likely be the same in twenty minutes.

Drinking a beer would be more akin to sharing a joint of mids with someone over a ten minute period.

Not even close. Drinking 10 beers, maybe, but a beer, even a potent IP will have no noticeable effect. A half a joint of mids is going to f you up, albeit with a headache an hour later. Unless you are a complete burnout and you have problems irrelevant to the conversation, a single bong hit of kind buds is going to f you up.

A non regular alcohol drinker will be impaired after two shots of 100 proof liquor. Casually smoking mids will not do much to even the average person who doesn't or rarely smokes.

Yeah, bongs will F you up, but so will drinking hard liquor quickly. Smoking something light out of a bowl or joint is not going to be any worse than enjoying two or three beers. You'll buzz, but you won't be impaired.

(01-13-2015 03:11 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(01-13-2015 03:06 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(01-13-2015 02:56 PM)All Dukes_All Day Wrote:  

(01-13-2015 02:05 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(01-13-2015 01:56 PM)john01992 Wrote:  the science says otherwise.

False. Have a drink and then take a bong hit. Then let me know which one impaired you.

That is misleading. A more apt analogy would be rip two shots of 100 proof vodka and take a bong hit. Depending on your tolerance, the amount of impairment would likely be the same in twenty minutes.

Drinking a beer would be more akin to sharing a joint of mids with someone over a ten minute period.

Not even close. Drinking 10 beers, maybe, but a beer, even a potent IP will have no noticeable effect. A half a joint of mids is going to f you up, albeit with a headache an hour later. Unless you are a complete burnout and you have problems irrelevant to the conversation, a single bong hit of kind buds is going to f you up.

I'm sorry but....
You either smoked some killer stuff or you have no tolerance for alcohol.
I've literally NEVER had a headache after smoking. In fact quite the opposite as it's a great pain killer.

FWIW, I don't smoke anymore. My wife's attitude towards it is very similar to yours.

You obviously aren't old enough to remember Mexican brick weed, which in college people always tried to pass of as "mids". I really don't have any attitude and wouldn't fight to oppose legalization. Just being honest.

(01-13-2015 03:13 PM)All Dukes_All Day Wrote:  

(01-13-2015 03:06 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(01-13-2015 02:56 PM)All Dukes_All Day Wrote:  

(01-13-2015 02:05 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(01-13-2015 01:56 PM)john01992 Wrote:  the science says otherwise.

False. Have a drink and then take a bong hit. Then let me know which one impaired you.

That is misleading. A more apt analogy would be rip two shots of 100 proof vodka and take a bong hit. Depending on your tolerance, the amount of impairment would likely be the same in twenty minutes.

Drinking a beer would be more akin to sharing a joint of mids with someone over a ten minute period.

Not even close. Drinking 10 beers, maybe, but a beer, even a potent IP will have no noticeable effect. A half a joint of mids is going to f you up, albeit with a headache an hour later. Unless you are a complete burnout and you have problems irrelevant to the conversation, a single bong hit of kind buds is going to f you up.

A non regular alcohol drinker will be impaired after two shots of 100 proof liquor. Casually smoking mids will not do much to even the average person who doesn't or rarely smokes.

Yeah, bongs will F you up, but so will drinking hard liquor quickly. Smoking something light out of a bowl or joint is not going to be any worse than enjoying two or three beers. You'll buzz, but you won't be impaired.

Bullschit

(01-13-2015 03:15 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  You obviously aren't old enough to remember Mexican brick weed, which in college people always tried to pass of as "mids". I really don't have any attitude and wouldn't fight to oppose legalization. Just being honest.

Where I'm from (Central NC) that stuff was considered garbage. Maybe we're talking about 2 different strains but it was "bricked" and dark in color. The best stuff was always some good ol' boy "home grown".

(01-13-2015 03:17 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(01-13-2015 03:17 PM)All Dukes_All Day Wrote:  Yeah, bongs will F you up, but so will drinking hard liquor quickly. Smoking something light out of a bowl or joint is not going to be any worse than enjoying two or three beers. You'll buzz, but you won't be impaired.

Bullschit

No offense but you must have a really low tolerance to it. I've known folks like that. My best friend's wife can't take one hit without getting delirious or hyper-paranoid. I think it just does that to some people.... kind of like how some people can't have peanuts.

(01-13-2015 03:01 PM)john01992 Wrote:  I perfectly understand those graphs hence the reason I posted them. I was refuting the general concept that weed is worse than alcohol. which was ERs point (you are being the pathetic wimp who is trying to change his stance after the fact). in every single category that notion is incorrect INCLUDING driving under the influence.

Evidence suggests that is not the case. But it also suggests that we may not have as much to fear from stoned driving as from drunken driving. Some researchers say that limited resources are better applied to continuing to reduce drunken driving. Stoned driving, they say, is simply less dangerous.

this paragraph is also interesting:

Dr. Huestis also found that in laboratory studies, most people who were high could pass simple tests of memory, addition and subtraction, though they had to use more brainpower than sober people who passed the same tests. People who were drunk were much more likely to fail.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/18/health...juana.html

Wow. Right to the playground insults. I guess we've all come to expect that of you.

That study was based upon arbitrary rating of sixteen measures.

Comparing drunk driving to stoned driving is no comparison unless you equate the relative level of impairment. What is "drunk" driving? What is "stoned" driving?

Put down the weed and grow up a bit.

(01-13-2015 03:28 PM)GeorgeBorkFan Wrote:  

(01-13-2015 03:01 PM)john01992 Wrote:  I perfectly understand those graphs hence the reason I posted them. I was refuting the general concept that weed is worse than alcohol. which was ERs point (you are being the pathetic wimp who is trying to change his stance after the fact). in every single category that notion is incorrect INCLUDING driving under the influence.

Evidence suggests that is not the case. But it also suggests that we may not have as much to fear from stoned driving as from drunken driving. Some researchers say that limited resources are better applied to continuing to reduce drunken driving. Stoned driving, they say, is simply less dangerous.

this paragraph is also interesting:

Dr. Huestis also found that in laboratory studies, most people who were high could pass simple tests of memory, addition and subtraction, though they had to use more brainpower than sober people who passed the same tests. People who were drunk were much more likely to fail.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/18/health...juana.html

Wow. Right to the playground insults. I guess we've all come to expect that of you.

That study was based upon arbitrary rating of sixteen measures.

Comparing drunk driving to stoned driving is no comparison unless you equate the relative level of impairment. What is "drunk" driving? What is "stoned" driving?

Put down the weed and grow up a bit.

well you have certainly outed yourself with that post...

take a seat next to ER in the "Partisan hacks who won't change their viewpoint regardless of evidence" section.

(01-13-2015 03:23 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(01-13-2015 03:17 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(01-13-2015 03:17 PM)All Dukes_All Day Wrote:  Yeah, bongs will F you up, but so will drinking hard liquor quickly. Smoking something light out of a bowl or joint is not going to be any worse than enjoying two or three beers. You'll buzz, but you won't be impaired.

Bullschit

No offense but you must have a really low tolerance to it. I've known folks like that. My best friend's wife can't take one hit without getting delirious or hyper-paranoid. I think it just does that to some people.... kind of like how some people can't have peanuts.

Even when I smoked it everyday some 15 years ago, all it took was a pack of a oney. I couldn't smoke any (for a couple of hours) and then expect to be able to function at any kind of social event. Was great for vegging out after classes and after going out or for all-day Sunday football.

(01-13-2015 03:28 PM)GeorgeBorkFan Wrote:  

(01-13-2015 03:01 PM)john01992 Wrote:  I perfectly understand those graphs hence the reason I posted them. I was refuting the general concept that weed is worse than alcohol. which was ERs point (you are being the pathetic wimp who is trying to change his stance after the fact). in every single category that notion is incorrect INCLUDING driving under the influence.

Evidence suggests that is not the case. But it also suggests that we may not have as much to fear from stoned driving as from drunken driving. Some researchers say that limited resources are better applied to continuing to reduce drunken driving. Stoned driving, they say, is simply less dangerous.

this paragraph is also interesting:

Dr. Huestis also found that in laboratory studies, most people who were high could pass simple tests of memory, addition and subtraction, though they had to use more brainpower than sober people who passed the same tests. People who were drunk were much more likely to fail.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/18/health...juana.html

Wow. Right to the playground insults. I guess we've all come to expect that of you.

That study was based upon arbitrary rating of sixteen measures.

Comparing drunk driving to stoned driving is no comparison unless you equate the relative level of impairment. What is "drunk" driving? What is "stoned" driving?

Put down the weed and grow up a bit.

In my experiences, if you are really drunk, that is worse, but I'd rather get in the car with someone that just had 4 beers than someone that just got high.