I can't believe people are talking about Jones going to the pros and even worse wanting the Bengals to take him high. That is crazy talk. the guy played 3 games with a great supporting cast. Teams tried to stop Elliott and couldn't (He is the main reason to O$U's success). It is crazy that he ran for over 200 yards in each of the last 3 games. That helped open up the pass for Jones. If defenses had succeeded in slowing Elliott and forcing Jones to beat them, I bet O$U doesn't even make it past Alabama.

Jones is very raw and his upside is definitely high, he won't mature without playing and there is no chance he can play in the NFL for a long while, so he'd be be on the bench/practice squad trying to learn the NFL, when he'd be much better off learning on the job in college. Plus in the NFL , he isn't running over the defensive lineman and LBs like he did last night, he is getting hit hard and as many running QBs have learned, he won't last long running. How many great college QBs with tons of experience struggled in the NFL? The answer is most of them. Jones also benefited from defenses not really having any tape on him or knowing quite what his strengths/weaknesses are. Once defenses start mixing up coverages, his running game struggles and his play makers don't make plays, he is in trouble until he gets more experience. A few of his big throws last night were great plays by the WRs. If he starts next season and replicates the success, then maybe he could be ready for the NFL, but the track record of QBs with one year of college success is extremely rare.

A team would take a chance on his potential.

Look at some of the QBs that have been drafted way above their ability simply because the position inflates their value (see: Manziel, Johnny).

I hope Jones goes pro so he can support the child he fathered and the mother can likely stop collecting my tax money.

(01-13-2015 11:11 AM)dossbig Wrote:  I hope Jones goes pro so he can support the child he fathered and the mother can likely stop collecting my tax money.

You are a massive pile of **** pal.

(01-13-2015 09:41 AM)50Cent Wrote:  

(01-13-2015 08:44 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  I have no idea how they sit that kid at QB next year. Reminds me a little of Big Ben. Elusive and really hard to bring down. And strong armed. Rich get richer.

Rath, I've thought of Big Ben too watching him these 3 games.

Big arm. Tough to bring down.

No stage or prime time seems to big for him either.

Bengals? Bengals?

Interesting to see talk of him potentially being able to come out?...hmmm.

Jones is impressive. He needs another year as a starter.

Dude has impressive arm strength and size, throws a great deep ball. But he looks more like Ryan Leaf or Jamarcus Russel than he does Big Ben. He may become a great NFL QB someday, but I have not seen the tape that says he will do that. It seems like his main read was if the safeties are up in run support, throw deep to the sideline. If the safeties are over the top, wait in the pocket for a lane to open then take off running.

He has the comfort of a running game that is blowing the best defenses away. At the next level, the line talent gap won't be nearly this lopsided, a good running day for his team will get half as many yards per play, he will need to make pre-snap reads and hit some timing patterns. If he shows he can do that, he could be very good. But so far, he has not been called on to do that.

I think if Jones played in the NFL next year, he'd be a massive bust. The dude was 3rd string for a reason. Has Akili Smith written all over him. The most NFL ready QB coming out by far is Jameis Winston. Mariota is a little bit of a mystery to me. May just be a product of the Oregon system.

Jones will be 3rd string again next year. He is not as good as either Braxton Miller or J.T. Barrett. He was simply "next man up". tO$U was so good and so deep that they could have possibly won with a 4th stringer. He is not as good as Gunner, simply bigger with a better cast around him.

(01-13-2015 11:37 AM)ctipton Wrote:  Jones will be 3rd string again next year. He is not as good as either Braxton Miller or J.T. Barrett. He was simply "next man up". tO$U was so good and so deep that they could have possibly won with a 4th stringer. He is not as good as Gunner, simply bigger with a better cast around him.

I don't know about that Tip. Miller is probably going to transfer, or move to the slot position.
Flip a coin between Jones and Barrett for the starting role.

This is impossible. Flip a coin between the two? Why the hell did Barrett start all season as a freshman who didn't even know the playbook over this all-of-a-sudden superman? Come on. Also, I don't think Miller will change to a slot back/receiver without competition for the starting QB job. He didn't go from being in the Heisman talk at the beginning of the season to just being a Joe Blow behind the other two.

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(01-13-2015 11:45 AM)ctipton Wrote:  This is impossible. Flip a coin between the two? Why the hell did Barrett start all season as a freshman who didn't even know the playbook over this all-of-a-sudden superman? Come on. Also, I don't think Miller will change to a slot back/receiver without competition for the starting QB job. He didn't go from being in the Heisman talk at the beginning of the season to just being a Joe Blow behind the other two.

Some guys are gamers. I'm not saying he is or he isn't better than Miller or Barrett, but he put on a hell of a show in limited action against as good of competition as you could probably face in a 3-game stretch.

I don't know how you can say Kiel is definitely better than him either.

(01-13-2015 11:45 AM)ctipton Wrote:  This is impossible. Flip a coin between the two? Why the hell did Barrett start all season as a freshman who didn't even know the playbook over this all-of-a-sudden superman? Come on. Also, I don't think Miller will change to a slot back/receiver without competition for the starting QB job. He didn't go from being in the Heisman talk at the beginning of the season to just being a Joe Blow behind the other two.

And then it was Barrett Heisman talk, and it might be Jones frontrunner Heisman talk.
The guy is a beast and can make all of the throws.

(01-13-2015 07:02 AM)letharion Wrote:  

(01-13-2015 02:24 AM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  If nothing else, this win firmly cements the CFP selection board's criteria and puts more pressure on the B12...

Just saying, from a UC perspective, as bad as it might seem, this result is nothing but good.
It makes that game back in October look much better, it makes the CFP's decision to include OSU look sound... Win, win baby.

That is a very positive perspective on an otherwise awful result.

I know... It's so unlike me...

Part of it is the system OSU runs right now. All three QB's they have fit the system well and all bring different things to the table. Barrett is the best passer. Miller is the best runner overall but Jones is the best power runner and Jones also has the strongest arm which, along with the WR's they have, opens up the running game a lot. While Jones has benefited from having Elliot in the backfield Elliot has also benefited from having Jones as an inside power threat and as a QB that can take the top off the defense if they cheat their safeties up.

If Miller transfers I'd expect Barrett and Jones both to be back. If Miller stays I would not be surprised if Jones declares for the NFL figuring it is going to be tough to get playing time unless another series of injuries happens. OSU has another QB on the roster that redshirted this year that they are very high on (he is more similar to Barrett than Miller or Jones).

(01-13-2015 12:21 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  

(01-13-2015 07:02 AM)letharion Wrote:  

(01-13-2015 02:24 AM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  If nothing else, this win firmly cements the CFP selection board's criteria and puts more pressure on the B12...

Just saying, from a UC perspective, as bad as it might seem, this result is nothing but good.
It makes that game back in October look much better, it makes the CFP's decision to include OSU look sound... Win, win baby.

That is a very positive perspective on an otherwise awful result.

I know... It's so unlike me...

Hey, any spin I can get to make it through today is appreciated.

Jones stock will never be higher. Is it high enough to get drafted in the first few rounds? Who knows?

But if he goes back to being a clip board holder, he probably won't get drafted.

If I were him, I would take the chance and declare. Somebody will draft him on potential alone.

(01-13-2015 02:25 PM)Bearcat Otto Wrote:  Jones stock will never be higher. Is it high enough to get drafted in the first few rounds? Who knows?

But if he goes back to being a clip board holder, he probably won't get drafted.

If I were him, I would take the chance and declare. Somebody will draft him on potential alone.

I know it's only been 3 games, but I'd like to see the Bengals take a flyer on him in round 4ish. He can sit and learn for at least a year behind Dalton, and then hopefully take over. Plus, Andy doesn't feel upset that we took a 3rd string quarterback from an in-state school.

Yes, he had an awesome running game that certainly aided his performance - but the three teams he beat were Wisconsin, Alabama, and Oregon. Guy looks like a freak.

He wouldn't be there in R4 if he declared and didn't absolutely bomb the draft process. Guys that are built like that and have a cannon for an arm intrigue teams. Somebody would jump at the chance of drafting him way earlier than he should be based on that alone.

This is said to be one of the worst QB classes in awhile too.

(01-13-2015 02:44 PM)Coopdaddy67 Wrote:  He wouldn't be there in R4 if he declared and didn't absolutely bomb the draft process. Guys that are built like that and have a cannon for an arm intrigue teams. Somebody would jump at the chance of drafting him way earlier than he should be based on that alone.

This is said to be one of the worst QB classes in awhile too.

Agreed. I can see a team like Denver or New England taking him in the 2nd round. Let him sit on the bench for a year or two to be Manning/Brady's apprentice. Once those guys retire Jones could take the reigns.