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RE: Transformation vs Incrementalism
(07-03-2019 07:33 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(07-02-2019 09:58 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  The inattention began in the early 80's.
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The problem facing Rice sports is the product of the inactions of the 80's and 90's.

The inattention actually began in the 60s and 70s. The 80s and 90s were mostly products of what had gone before.

Inattention is a recurring theme in history. Seven years ago I posted a historical analogy that seemed apt:


(11-29-2012 01:33 PM)georgewebb Wrote:  Athletics is not war, nor even (Ty Cobb notwithstanding) something like a war. But the history of war provides wonderful quotations. As most of you know, in the mid to late 1930s Winston Churchill was a nearly solitary voice in Britain calling for preparedness against the growing threat from Germany. In 1936, in one of his most memorable speeches of that period, he lashed out against the aimlessness, as he saw it, of Britain's current government. The most famous paragraph is here:

Quote:The Government simply cannot make up their minds, or they cannot get the Prime Minister to make up his mind. So they go on in strange paradox, decided only to be undecided, resolved to be irresolute, adamant for drift, solid for fluidity, all-powerful to be impotent. So we go on preparing more months and years -- precious, perhaps vital to the greatness of Britain -- for the locusts to eat. They will say to me, 'A Minister of Supply is not necessary, for all is going well.' I deny it. 'The position is satisfactory.' It is not true. 'All is proceeding according to plan.' We know what that means.

To this day, some historians refer to those crucial years when Britain idled as "the locust years".

See https://csnbbs.com/thread-603411.html

At the time, I didn't explicitly state that the analogy might apply to Rice athletic (to be honest, I thought the connection was so obvious that it did not need to be stated).
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RE: Transformation vs Incrementalism
(07-02-2019 01:02 AM)Ourland Wrote:  
(07-01-2019 08:45 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  I personally don't care if we get invited to p5 or not... I still want to find a way to be relevant in the big 3 and right now w'ere not remotely so.

Being invited to p5 would certainly make a lot of things easier, but I think it more likely that something happens to change the dynamics entirely.

MY problem is that we aren't even trying to compete at the highest level. That isn't remotely 'Rice'-like

This is exactly how I feel. I see upgrades being made in facilities, and coaching salaris are up, but Rice is always so koy about it's investments in athletics. We never seem to know much about when or where money is being spent or plans are being made. Everything is held close to the vest.

Sometimes it makes me feel like they don't care, but that can't be true. I think what makes it worse is that everyone else these days are the opposite

Think you meant "coy", but nevertheless, this popped into my head when I read that:

Artist: Ray Stevens
Album: Shriner's Convention
Song: "Shriner's Convention"
February 12, 1980 RCA Records

The song is based on Stevens' experiences at an Atlanta hotel where an actual Shriner's convention was being held. Stevens' version celebrates the '43rd Annual Convention of the Grand Mystic Royal Order of the Nobles of the Ali Baba Temple of the Shrine.' The main humor of the song involves a one-sided dialogue, via hotel phone, between two members of the Hahira, Georgia, delegation: leader "Illustrious Potentate" (Bubba), and member "Noble Lumpkin" (Coy), who has gone rogue. Stevens voices Bubba, while Coy's voice is unheard, his comments made known only by Bubba's reactions to them.


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RE: Transformation vs Incrementalism
(07-05-2019 04:52 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  I like this discussion, but I want to be clear about what I'm saying...

We aren't trying to compete at the highest level.



We need 20 guys a year in football, 2-3 in basketball and 10-15 in baseball that would rather attend Rice than other 'competitive with p5' schools.
How you define that, what that looks like can have a variety of descriptions... but it all boils down to recruiting a certain type of player... and likely GREATLY expanding our current methods.

Heck, with the best players really all going to these recruiting services... a lot of the work is already being done. We just have to find the ones who enjoy a challenge/value the education/like the big city over the college town.

What does it take to find, recruit and sign those guys? That's what we need to be spending our dollars on, and it wouldn't be 750mm. It sure might mean spending $5mm more on coaching staff and another $5mm on equipment and maintenance and recruiting. I'm betting (and I know I would) if the university put forth that sort of effort to attempt to be competitive, that in addition to higher gates, raising money for things like concessions and restrooms and locker rooms etc etc etc would get a WHOLE lot easier.


I'm going to greatly oversimplify it....
But if we simply offered scholarships to all of the 4-5 star recruits of say Tech or Arkansas that had the academic background to get into Rice and said things to them like big fish, small pond... accept a greater challenge... showed the value difference of the education... the national exposure in Houston as opposed to Lubbock etc etc etc and you did that to 50 p5 schools... and we had made it clear as a University that we intended to be competitive by say hiring a big name NFL type coach or a number of that sort of assistant staff or whatever... I'm betting we'd get a few of those guys. And when they started to win CUSA and be competitive with those bigger schools, you'd get a whole lot more of them. Offer the prestige of some of our grad programs to grad transfers whom we missed out on the first time and now have another chance.

Yeah, that'd likely work out a lot better for Rice than what we've been doing. But the central theme to most all of the posters that desire something better from/for Rice Big 3 sports is Commitment from the University (backed by dollars from the University for something.)

That said, there are the rare few coaches who get it done despite...Wayne sure did at the start and for a long while after...no one really expected him to. TG had the right ideas about raising money and making improvements he wanted himself, but the wrong ideas about ethics. Still, he just might've had to figure he was working 2-3 jobs here at Rice and could go to Tulsa and just focus on the one (coaching).

RUOwls had/has ideas about vectors and leverage and how to take ours'uns and beat theirs'uns but he requires a financial commitment to leave what he's doing to come here and try. Plus, it'd be an "unconventional" hire, and Rice doesn't do anything unconventionally, it turns out--despite the marketing slogans.

While I hold there is a coach or two out there who could do it here as things stand now, I'm uncertain if that will be Bloom, or yet someone else. It is the job of the U and AD to identify the person(s) best suited for making Rice Big 3 sports a success, but either their definition of success differs from some of the posters in this thread, or they consider what they have done successful enough for Rice's purposes. Neither of those seems congruent with the rest of the University but there we are.

I don't think the problem is as much no one involved has thought of a strategy or two to make it work here, it's more the leadership just doesn't have the heart for the fight. If a handful of men could hold off Santa Ana at the Alamo, it wasn't because they had the best facilities, or newest weapons, or a barbershop in their EZF...it's that they were the kind of men who could build a county like Texas...determined, despite the odds, and despite what they did or did not have. They committed to doing it to the death. Seems a shame that doesn't resonate here at Rice as much as one would hope it would. Some schools have the Alamo guys...we seem to have the Shriner's Convention guys.
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Rice could have been, should have been more like this. Wish we'd at least try to play them once in a while:

Georgia Tech faces tight budget, but increased revenues in future

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