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(11-27-2022 12:39 PM)westsidewolf1989 Wrote:  Speaking of pipelines to foreign countries (Bailiff and Canada), I’ve still yet to see an Australian punter on our squad. Maybe our performance was so bad that Rice is a swear word over there, but there are tons of kids over there that can’t crack the AFL that kill it punting at American colleges. Pretty much every Ray Guy finalist is an Aussie nowadays

Now, there's a good out-of-the-box idea! Good job!
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(11-27-2022 12:39 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  Thanks for a serious response. Generically, I am in agreement with most of what you say. But I must say a lot of it reminds me of a teenage girl yearning for a tall dark handsome boyfriend with a sense of humor who will accept her as she is, 4’11”, 315, and fall for her on sight. The only name you mention is RUowls. Name some names, rather than generic characteristics on a wish list.

Um, nope, did you see I already named Key, Deion...people along those lines? From your post it appears you did not. Not sure why you didn't. I'd actually call up winners like Saban and Kirby and ask them for recs. Tell them we're finally willing to pay up, so we want the best fit coaching-wise, not lowball pay-wise. Tell them we decided we're done with that approach after 60 years of it failing miserably, and we are willing to go back to hiring the best from the best again.

If we need to lose some weight (can't do anything about height) then go an a diet and get some exercise. No excuse for the 315 at 4'11". I personally find shorter gals attractive, but some like 'em 6 foot or more. Vive la difference!

(11-27-2022 12:39 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  Problem is, most of the available were fired from their last job for failure, so that leaves the standard options of hiring away winners and trying, yet again, an unproven assistant. We don’t have enough money to hire away the winners.

See above. I strongly disagree that lack of money is our issue. Lack of willingness to spend the money we have that most others don't is more to the issue.

Most coaches have been fired at some point. We could try ruowls (were you ever fired, ru?) More importantly is what they learned if they were, what they'd do different and what they'd do the same? Those seem more like the relevant questions in the interview.

(11-27-2022 12:39 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  What I gather from previous posts is that you favor short leashes and quick hooks, and think anybody different favors mediocrity. I don’t see how that will help.

Well...I'm ready to go another way (years ago, I'd have said we needed someone who would stay and not leave us, but I was assuming success underneath that idea. Nowadays, I agree more with Owl#s where if we have a coach that is so successful here someone else wants him, that is a good, not bad thing. ) If nothing else it would be different from buy and hold a loser and watch it go down to zero or near-zero when the option expires mentality we've had for 20 years (maybe since Brown? Coach G left on his own accord, so we didn't fire him (although I suppose he eventually would have gotten the boot if he'd stayed long enough? Or would he...that's an interesting tangent.))

(11-27-2022 12:39 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  The rest of your stuff is aimed at increasing attendance and interest. Winning is the best way to do that, but your choices have some merit.

I agree. And thank you.

(11-27-2022 12:39 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  Agree with the business major, but hasn’t it been a half century or so since we had a Commerce major?

greyowl just answered that we do have that now. I agree with him that it would have been nice to have had it long before, not just mana-stud.

(11-27-2022 12:39 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  Bottom line, who do you want to hire for AD and coach, and how much would you have to pay for them? I would suggest OWLnumbers and RUowls, respectively, and pay them whatever they want.

Works for me! Add in Ham in there somewhere, and get NYnightowl to help, too! ('course, we'd need a new mod). Again, as in top of this post, I'd ask folks from long-term winning programs their recs as well. Fellas?

edit: Uggh! missed a bunch of end-quotes!
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(10-17-2022 10:57 AM)Ourland Wrote:  
(10-16-2022 10:06 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  
(10-16-2022 07:44 PM)Ourland Wrote:  
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(10-16-2022 05:50 PM)Ourland Wrote:  This is definitely feeling like a 6-6 season, if we're a little lucky along the way. We've got to find a way to win the close games, or it's over.

As for Bloomgren, I feel he needs a two-year extension if we win six. He let go of his offensive philosophy, and this team is a good bit better than the last four. There's 'hope' for a change. There's something to cheer about.

If he can return the team to what we saw in games 2-5, maybe.

If not, then no.

If he can return the team to what it was, then we'll win 7 games.

Please note, when I say games 2-5, that includes the one we lost.

I don't care about winning a specific number of games or going to the Bush's Barbeque Beans Bowl as the measure of what I think should be required to retain/dismiss Bloomgren. I am more interested in seeing exciting and interesting football like I did in games 2-5. You might think there is a direct correlation between excitement and winning, but there isn't.

I'm actually surprised to hear you say this. For years I've acknowledged the fact that just 'competing' against good teams as a realistic barometer for Rice at times, only to have you slam me for 'setting the bar too low.' I've heard you state 'just win' about three thousand times here.

At this point in Bloomgren's tenure, I care about wins and I care about bad bowl games. It's not enough to play exciting and interesting football, because that does nothing to propel our program to the next level.

It's year five. Give me wins, and give me a bowl berth. Just 'competing' was acceptable in years 1-3, but not at this point.

That’s not the bar. It is a step, not the goal. To climb the stairs, you have to make the steps. I get the impression that a lot of our fans want to jump from from 0 to 60 in one fell swoop.

In 2 of the last three games, I did not see exciting and interesting football.

In one, I did.

If he is fired, OK with me. If retained, not OK, but I feel better about it than I did before this season. Not to say good, but hopeful that progress can be made.

I don’t think the decision should be predicated on making a bowl or winning X games. Those are factors, but only factors.
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(11-27-2022 12:58 PM)GoodOwl Wrote:  
(11-27-2022 12:39 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  Thanks for a serious response. Generically, I am in agreement with most of what you say. But I must say a lot of it reminds me of a teenage girl yearning for a tall dark handsome boyfriend with a sense of humor who will accept her as she is, 4’11”, 315, and fall for her on sight. The only name you mention is RUowls. Name some names, rather than generic characteristics on a wish list.

Um, nope, did you see I already named Key, Deion...people along those lines? From your post it appears you did not. Not sure why you didn't. I'd actually call up winners like Saban and Kirby and ask them for recs. Tell them we're finally willing to pay up, so we want the best fit coaching-wise, not lowball pay-wise. Tell them we decided we're done with that approach after 60 years of it failing miserably, and we are willing to go back to hiring the best from the best again.

If we need to lose some weight (can't do anything about height) then go an a diet and get some exercise. No excuse for the 315 at 4'11". I personally find shorter gals attractive, but some like 'em 6 foot or more. Vive la difference!

(11-27-2022 12:39 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  Problem is, most of the available were fired from their last job for failure, so that leaves the standard options of hiring away winners and trying, yet again, an unproven assistant. We don’t have enough money to hire away the winners.

See above. I strongly disagree that lack of money is our issue. Lack of willingness to spend the money we have that most others don't is more to the issue.

Most coaches have been fired at some point. We could try ruowls (were you ever fired, ru?) More importantly is what they learned if they were, what they'd do different and what they'd do the same? Those seem more like the relevant questions in the interview.

(11-27-2022 12:39 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  What I gather from previous posts is that you favor short leashes and quick hooks, and think anybody different favors mediocrity. I don’t see how that will help.

Well...I'm ready to go another way (years ago, I'd have said we needed someone who would stay and not leave us, but I was assuming success underneath that idea. Nowadays, I agree more with Owl#s where if we have a coach that is so successful here someone else wants him, that is a good, not bad thing. ) If nothing else it would be different from buy and hold a loser and watch it go down to zero or near-zero when the option expires mentality we've had for 20 years (maybe since Brown? Coach G left on his own accord, so we didn't fire him (although I suppose he eventually would have gotten the boot if he'd stayed long enough? Or would he...that's an interesting tangent.))

(11-27-2022 12:39 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  The rest of your stuff is aimed at increasing attendance and interest. Winning is the best way to do that, but your choices have some merit.

I agree. And thank you.

(11-27-2022 12:39 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  Agree with the business major, but hasn’t it been a half century or so since we had a Commerce major?

greyowl just answered that we do have that now. I agree with him that it would have been nice to have had it long before, not just mana-stud.

(11-27-2022 12:39 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  Bottom line, who do you want to hire for AD and coach, and how much would you have to pay for them? I would suggest OWLnumbers and RUowls, respectively, and pay them whatever they want.

Works for me! Add in Ham in there somewhere, and get NYnightowl to help, too! ('course, we'd need a new mod). Again, as in top of this post, I'd ask folks from long-term winning programs their recs as well. Fellas?

You guys are truly wild. There are probably 25 or so regular posters on the Parliament and you are suggesting that the best options for our AD and head coach just happened to be among those 25? And we have exactly one poster here who has coached football at the high school or collegiate level in the last five-ten years but the head coach recommendation is not that guy.

It looks crazy when you type that out, doesn’t it?
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The Canadian recruiting connection was Darrell Patterson, who had played a number of years in the CFL. He is now back in Winnipeg as d-line coach for the Blue Bombers. Re-establishing contact with him might not be a bad idea.
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(11-27-2022 01:15 PM)blazerjay Wrote:  ----------------------------------------------------------------------
Rice (3/3)

Myrtle Beach Bowl (Conway, SC - Mon. 12/19)
- vs. Liberty (24/7 Sports)

Armed Forces Bowl (Fort Worth, TX - Thurs. 12/22)
- vs. Southern Methodist (CBS Sports)

Quick Lane Bowl (Detroit, MI - Mon. 12/26)
- vs. Toledo (College Football News)
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BTW...if at all true that Bloom and/or Karlgaard have any shot at Stanford job(s) than of course they would not be any firing until those jobs at Stanford have been filled. Problem is, of course, it hurts Rice's program to wait. Where is the priority for those in charge? I'll let you guess. And no, not hungry for pizza...
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(11-27-2022 02:13 PM)GoodOwl Wrote:  Where is the priority for those in charge?

Keeping their paychecks coming.
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(11-27-2022 02:45 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(11-27-2022 02:13 PM)GoodOwl Wrote:  Where is the priority for those in charge?

Keeping their paychecks coming.

F 'em and the scooters they rode in on. Let 'em go back to Cali' and rot. But I won't tell ya how I really feel.
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(11-27-2022 02:10 PM)GoodOwl Wrote:  
(11-27-2022 01:15 PM)blazerjay Wrote:  ----------------------------------------------------------------------
Rice (3/3)

Myrtle Beach Bowl (Conway, SC - Mon. 12/19)
- vs. Liberty (24/7 Sports)

Armed Forces Bowl (Fort Worth, TX - Thurs. 12/22)
- vs. Southern Methodist (CBS Sports)

Quick Lane Bowl (Detroit, MI - Mon. 12/26)
- vs. Toledo (College Football News)
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If Rice is paired with SMU, SMU will be pissed. All that money invested in running away from Rice . . . .
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(11-27-2022 04:27 PM)ausowl Wrote:  
(11-27-2022 02:10 PM)GoodOwl Wrote:  
(11-27-2022 01:15 PM)blazerjay Wrote:  ----------------------------------------------------------------------
Rice (3/3)

Myrtle Beach Bowl (Conway, SC - Mon. 12/19)
- vs. Liberty (24/7 Sports)

Armed Forces Bowl (Fort Worth, TX - Thurs. 12/22)
- vs. Southern Methodist (CBS Sports)

Quick Lane Bowl (Detroit, MI - Mon. 12/26)
- vs. Toledo (College Football News)
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If Rice is paired with SMU, SMU will be pissed. All that money invested in running away from Rice . . . .

Not to mention SMU playing this game in TCU’s P5 stadium.
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(11-27-2022 05:24 PM)ESE84 Wrote:  
(11-27-2022 04:27 PM)ausowl Wrote:  
(11-27-2022 02:10 PM)GoodOwl Wrote:  
(11-27-2022 01:15 PM)blazerjay Wrote:  ----------------------------------------------------------------------
Rice (3/3)

Myrtle Beach Bowl (Conway, SC - Mon. 12/19)
- vs. Liberty (24/7 Sports)

Armed Forces Bowl (Fort Worth, TX - Thurs. 12/22)
- vs. Southern Methodist (CBS Sports)

Quick Lane Bowl (Detroit, MI - Mon. 12/26)
- vs. Toledo (College Football News)
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If Rice is paired with SMU, SMU will be pissed. All that money invested in running away from Rice . . . .

Not to mention SMU playing this game in TCU’s P5 stadium.

Against a team that is essentially now a conference mate.
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(11-27-2022 06:14 PM)Tomball Owl Wrote:  
(11-27-2022 05:24 PM)ESE84 Wrote:  
(11-27-2022 04:27 PM)ausowl Wrote:  
(11-27-2022 02:10 PM)GoodOwl Wrote:  
(11-27-2022 01:15 PM)blazerjay Wrote:  ----------------------------------------------------------------------
Rice (3/3)

Myrtle Beach Bowl (Conway, SC - Mon. 12/19)
- vs. Liberty (24/7 Sports)

Armed Forces Bowl (Fort Worth, TX - Thurs. 12/22)
- vs. Southern Methodist (CBS Sports)

Quick Lane Bowl (Detroit, MI - Mon. 12/26)
- vs. Toledo (College Football News)
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If Rice is paired with SMU, SMU will be pissed. All that money invested in running away from Rice . . . .

Not to mention SMU playing this game in TCU’s P5 stadium.

Against a team that is essentially now a conference mate.

I looked through some of the realignment of the last decade or so for similar circumstances. While not exhaustive, I did find that 2013 Louisville played Miami (Fl.) in a [Sponsor Name] Bowl before joining the ACC for fall 2014, and Marshall played ULL in the New Orleans Bowl just last year.
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(11-27-2022 02:10 PM)GoodOwl Wrote:  
(11-27-2022 01:15 PM)blazerjay Wrote:  ----------------------------------------------------------------------
Rice (7/12)

Cure Bowl (Orlando, FL - Fri. 12/16)
- vs. Appalachian State (Projection Sports)
- vs. Buffalo (Sports Illustrated)

Frisco Bowl (Frisco, TX - Sat. 12/17)
- vs. Wyoming (Athlon Sports)

New Mexico Bowl (Albuquerque, NM - Sat. 12/17)
- vs. Wyoming (Action Network)

Myrtle Beach Bowl (Conway, SC - Mon. 12/19)
- vs. Liberty (24/7 Sports)

Armed Forces Bowl (Fort Worth, TX - Thurs. 12/22)
- vs. Southern Methodist (CBS Sports)

Quick Lane Bowl (Detroit, MI - Mon. 12/26)
- vs. Toledo (College Football News)
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(12-02-2022 10:47 AM)Just Joe Wrote:  https://www.actionnetwork.com/ncaaf/upda...ttMcMurphy

"In other bowl news, the NCAA Oversight Committee approved New Mexico State’s bowl waiver on Thursday, and in turn, Auburn was officially eliminated from bowl contention.

The oversight committee also denied a waiver to Army, which was hoping to count two wins vs. FSC opponents toward bowl eligibility. Earlier in the season, the committee denied a similar waiver request by Marshall and Appalachian State. Marshall did reach bowl eligibility, but Appalachian State fell a win shy.
With New Mexico State (5-6) headed to a bowl, there are now 81 of 82 bowl spots locked up.

The final berth will be determined tonight when Buffalo (5-6) plays Akron. If Buffalo wins, the Bulls will be the 82nd — and final — bowl team. If Buffalo loses, UNLV (5-7) will earn the final spot."
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(12-02-2022 11:18 AM)GoodOwl Wrote:  
(11-27-2022 02:10 PM)GoodOwl Wrote:  
(11-27-2022 01:15 PM)blazerjay Wrote:  ----------------------------------------------------------------------
Rice (7/12)

Cure Bowl (Orlando, FL - Fri. 12/16)
- vs. Appalachian State (Projection Sports)
- vs. Buffalo (Sports Illustrated)

Frisco Bowl (Frisco, TX - Sat. 12/17)
- vs. Wyoming (Athlon Sports)

New Mexico Bowl (Albuquerque, NM - Sat. 12/17)
- vs. Wyoming (Action Network)

Myrtle Beach Bowl (Conway, SC - Mon. 12/19)
- vs. Liberty (24/7 Sports)

Armed Forces Bowl (Fort Worth, TX - Thurs. 12/22)
- vs. Southern Methodist (CBS Sports)

Quick Lane Bowl (Detroit, MI - Mon. 12/26)
- vs. Toledo (College Football News)
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(12-02-2022 10:47 AM)Just Joe Wrote:  https://www.actionnetwork.com/ncaaf/upda...ttMcMurphy

"In other bowl news, the NCAA Oversight Committee approved New Mexico State’s bowl waiver on Thursday, and in turn, Auburn was officially eliminated from bowl contention.

The oversight committee also denied a waiver to Army, which was hoping to count two wins vs. FSC opponents toward bowl eligibility. Earlier in the season, the committee denied a similar waiver request by Marshall and Appalachian State. Marshall did reach bowl eligibility, but Appalachian State fell a win shy.
With New Mexico State (5-6) headed to a bowl, there are now 81 of 82 bowl spots locked up.

The final berth will be determined tonight when Buffalo (5-6) plays Akron. If Buffalo wins, the Bulls will be the 82nd — and final — bowl team. If Buffalo loses, UNLV (5-7) will earn the final spot."

The actionnetwork link from today, 12/2, has Rice vs UConn in the Dec. 17th Frisco Bowl in a pickem game.
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(09-18-2016 04:02 PM)OldOwl Wrote:  Going to a bowl game if we have six wins over 6 bottom feeder. What an accomplishment.

Hey, now. We beat that "standard" this year by going to a bowl with only 5 wins over 5 bottom feeders! Progressive!
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(11-03-2018 06:13 PM)BufflOwl Wrote:  How bad does it need to get for Karlgaard to be fired?

Ha! We haven't even begun to find out...

Here's an interesting comparison from Athletic Director U for current C-USA AD jobs:

[Image: CUSA-overall-rankings.png]
Overall rankings for Conference USA AD jobs, graded on a scale of seven as ‘much better likelihood of success than peers’ & one as ‘much worse’
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(11-03-2018 06:06 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  We are still trying to put square pegs in round holes. I understand what Bloomgren wants to do, and he could get the talent to do it at Stanford. I'm not sure he can ever recruit what needs to do that at Rice. I don't see the dominant offensive linemen, or the feature running back, or the 4*/5* passing quarterback coming here. Keep in mind that he got to Stanford after David Shaw replaced Jim Harbaugh, so the talent pipeline was already in pretty full flow there. Here there isn't much in that regard, and I don't really know what we have to offer to land those talents.

I still think we are going to have to do something contrarian on offense, do something to get more speed on the field defensively, and upgrade the kicking game even further. I think we really have to ask how long we can use "pound the rock" as our signature strategy.

Bloomgren is well connected to some pretty big names in the coaching profession. I hope he picks their brains to figure out a different approach.

You are seeing Stanford hubris at its finest. Stanford was fortunate that Harbaugh panned out. They whiffed with Teevens and Harris before him. Their decision makers brought in Harbaugh to run the Pro style football you see today. Shaw came in as his OC with NFL coaching. Stanford has a long history of this with a few exceptions (Elway, Teevens, Harris). Ralston, Christiansen, Wiggin, Walsh, Green, and Willingham all had some NFL ties. Stanford also endowed coaching positions.
So Rice’s Stanford AD goes out and implements the Stanford model. He brings in a Stanford OC that has NFL coaching experience to be “Stanford”. This combination coupled with a Stanford connected Rice donor got the HC position endowed. I am sure that many Rice supporters thought they hit pay dirt by getting JK, MB, and an endowed coaching position. This all looks great. Someone brought up an article that showed football spending to wins expected. Rice actually spent at a level in the top of the G5. Rice wins to spending was well below what was to be expected. Boise was far and away the best at getting bang for their buck. And then Rice supporters get duped into believing Rice is a total rebuild and Rice has to just give this all time. Well Stanford got rid of Teevens and Harris after 2 years each. Teevens has the third worst winning percentage and Harris has the worst in Stanford football history. Stanford obviously corrected course when it was not working. Let’s see what happens at Rice.
I honestly hate the Rice has no talent excuse. There is enough talent to play with FBS teams. Maybe not all but the majority of them. We all have opinions of the importance of athletic talent but there is talent at Rice. It isn’t all recruiting and it isn’t all coaching. It is a blending of the two.
I guess I have ranted enough.

See what happens at Rice?
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...and here are the Athetic Director U rankings overall for Conference USA AD:

[Image: CUSA-rankings-social-copy-1536x971.png]

Perhaps surprisingly, they chose to rank us #2 in brand perception. Not sure whatall that metric enatils in their criteria, but we then rank #14 and #12 in Football and Men's basketball success, the two major revenue sports and main ones people consider when thinking about college sports in general.

In football potential they ranked Rice dead last. How does that help our brand potential? Not sure...

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These appear to be from October 2021.
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RE: Transformation vs Incrementalism
Also, this is interesting: From Joe Karlgaard, circa 2020-21:

Quote:Letter To My Former Self: Rice's Karlgaard
By Joe Karlgaard, Rice

Dear Joe,

Do you remember when we were seven and wrote that essay about wanting to be an athletics director? That letter was written out of love and admiration for Dad and his career as a high school AD. Turns out we did follow in his footsteps – at the college level – and we’ve been at it now for more than a decade!

When we get that first AD job, we have almost no experience and have never supervised anyone! While we don’t know too much at the start, we will learn a lot along the way. Now I (2020 Joe) am writing to you (Joe of someday past) in hopes of making things a little smoother for you – mostly encouraging you not to worry too much about things you cannot control and to always remember why you wanted to do this in the first place. The job is supposed to be difficult, and you will be better by persevering through those challenges, but I want you to enjoy it along the way as well.

My first piece of advice is to let your authority as a leader come to you naturally. You’ll try, unsuccessfully, to establish it rather than earn it, and it will harm some of the relationships you hope to build. As a first-time and rather young AD, you’ll try too hard to show people how much you know. You’ll leave key teammates out of conversations, make decisions without consulting your colleagues, and lose your cool when people bring you bad news. This job cannot be done alone. Your authority should come through the trust you build with those around you as much as it will through tough decisions you make. Be yourself, ask for help, and don’t be afraid to tell people that you don’t know something but will work hard to figure it out.

You will be challenged by situations you can’t fully prepare for – a natural disaster, the death of a student-athlete, a newspaper columnist calling you names … I’m not going to tell you too much about these because I don’t want to burden you, but each time you face a personal or professional crisis, you will find an opportunity to get better and people around you who are willing to help. Don’t lose that growth mindset – there will be times when you think you’ve seen it all, but you should always be ready for something new and then tackle those challenges as opportunities to grow new skills and relationships.

 

You also need to welcome the politics and conflict that are part of your work and understand that those things will permeate every part of your job – personnel, finance, fundraising, culture, etc. You are going to make decisions, like letting someone go, that will cause you to lose sleep. You are going to be overruled even if you think you are right. You cannot always avoid these situations, but you can learn from them. If you can be authentic, build trust, and strive for alignment, you can navigate politics more successfully and handle conflict more easily. If you recognize these things as unavoidable parts of your job and can learn to embrace them, you’ll get to enjoy what makes the job fun more often.

Speaking of which, always take time to recenter yourself. Get out and see the students on their terms, whether on campus, at practice, or in the locker room. It will serve as an excellent reminder of why (in addition to Dad) you chose this profession in the first place – your own, awesome experience as a student-athlete. Replicating that experience for as many young men and women as possible will help you feel professionally fulfilled, and you’ll know you are doing your job by spending time with them as they live through it.

I write this letter to you today wondering what I will say to my current self 10 or 20 years from now. So I’d probably add one more thing – and this is a great reminder for me today as well. Your accomplishments and failures will pale in comparison to the people you will meet and the relationships you will build. In the end, it’s what we will remember and find most rewarding about the job. As I reflect upon my career in college athletics, I remember most fondly those with whom I worked, the silly moments together, and the shared joy and pain, both personal and professional. Treat those relationships as the pure gold that they are, and enjoy every moment you have with your amazing and unique colleagues. It will go fast.

Good luck. You’ll be great.

Joe

'Great' can perhaps have a lot of different meanings. Certainly he has succeeded in some areas, particularly non-revenue. Problem is, the revenue sports are kinda important, seemingly moreso today than even when he was hired, and those have long been the issue here on S. Main St.
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