(07-03-2020 10:21 PM)75src Wrote: We did care 60 years ago. My parents started taking me to games around 1960 and Rice football was a big thing back then.
(06-30-2020 09:19 PM)texowl2 Wrote:
(06-29-2020 04:21 PM)Ourland Wrote:
(06-29-2020 01:45 PM)texowl2 Wrote: Nice article today in the comical on Bryce Callahan. That's the good news. Re Rice-he said it was great education, very hard, but said that Rice is not interested in college athletics. Sad, but true...…...
Yeah that's terrible advertisement, but completely true. I wish he hadn't said that. Rice doesn't give a damn about athletics. Never has, never will.
If never is how you spell 60 years, then I agree...
I can remember when I got to Rice as a freshman, probably the two biggest games in the Southwest were Rice-TexasU and Rice-LSU. Why? Because Rice, TexasU, and LSU had three of the largest stadiums in the region, and the games were pretty much always competitive. Over his career at Rice, Jess won or tied more than half his games against TexasU, LSU, and aTm. And Rice played aTm at Rice Stadium every year. There is a photo in the 1967 Campanile of the Rice-aTm game that year, with Rice wearing white jerseys and the caption something like, "Odd to be the visiting team at Homecoming." Rice beat TexasU in Austin my freshman year. At that point Rice’s record against the Whorns for the past 32 years was 16 wins, 15 losses, and 1 tie (used to have those things in football). My sophomore year Rice opened the season by beating LSU, and led both #2 UCLA and eventual Cotton Bowl team SMU for 59-1/2 minutes before losing both games on the last play of the game. Bottom line, Rice was relevant, both in the SWC and nationally. It is incredibly painful to realize just how far Rice football has fallen.
And Rice pretty much did it to itself. Bo Hagan replaced Jess, and was a disaster both as football coach and perhaps even more so as athletic director. Rice never recovered, nor really ever made a significant effort to recover. Oh, you can blame UH joining the SWC, or the multiple SWC cheating scandals, or whatever you want, but the bottom line is that Rice beat Rice, for the vast majority of the next 60 years.
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Let's examine the Big 3 in the Spring of 2004:
Baseball-Number 1 seed in the NCAA tournament. Personally without a fluke homerun by TSU or Pendleton getting hurt in practice, I think we win the CWS another year. Almost made it all the back vs TAMU.
Football-In the fall, lost two conference games by 3 points. Would have finished 7-1 and second behind Boise and I suspect a bowl. Generally competitive almost every week or you at least felt they would be for the prior 14 years.
Basketball-Probably the best team in history, at least relatively since the mid 50's or 40's. If Yamar Diene stays healthy, maybe they don't fall apart at the end of the season.
Across the board-generally better than UH-remember the Maggard report?
If I had told you that BB would be outscored on opening weekend by 36-3. And football has won 10 games in 5 years and mostly uncompetitive except against the bottom dregs. And basketball has recruited numerous very solid/pretty darn good players including a first round draft pick. Yet still has not won a conference title or made it to the NCAA's. Except many of those players did. And I hate to type this, Rice is ignored and not in the same category as UH, almost across the board.
You would think I was crazy. But here we stand. Now no doubt, the foundation for this disaster was set years before Spring 2004. But lack of effort at the highest levels of the University is where this stands and not pushing forward like TCU and others instead of letting events dictate to us. And what event happened in July 2004. Leebron.
Sorry the facts don't lie. And the lack of support is telling.
(02-20-2022 07:34 PM)texowl2 Wrote: Let's examine the Big 3 in the Spring of 2004:
Baseball-Number 1 seed in the NCAA tournament. Personally without a fluke homerun by TSU or Pendleton getting hurt in practice, I think we win the CWS another year. Almost made it all the back vs TAMU.
Football-In the fall, lost two conference games by 3 points. Would have finished 7-1 and second behind Boise and I suspect a bowl. Generally competitive almost every week or you at least felt they would be for the prior 14 years.
Basketball-Probably the best team in history, at least relatively since the mid 50's or 40's. If Yamar Diene stays healthy, maybe they don't fall apart at the end of the season.
Across the board-generally better than UH-remember the Maggard report?
If I had told you that BB would be outscored on opening weekend by 36-3. And football has won 10 games in 5 years and mostly uncompetitive except against the bottom dregs. And basketball has recruited numerous very solid/pretty darn good players including a first round draft pick. Yet still has not won a conference title or made it to the NCAA's. Except many of those players did. And I hate to type this, Rice is ignored and not in the same category as UH, almost across the board.
You would think I was crazy. But here we stand. Now no doubt, the foundation for this disaster was set years before Spring 2004. But lack of effort at the highest levels of the University is where this stands and not pushing forward like TCU and others instead of letting events dictate to us. And what event happened in July 2004. Leebron.
Sorry the facts don't lie. And the lack of support is telling.
Yeah, right-- this is all Leebron's fault. You guys are just amazing. You scream of lack of support, but how much have personally put in to support our various programs? I'm serious.
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(02-20-2022 07:34 PM)texowl2 Wrote: Let's examine the Big 3 in the Spring of 2004:
Baseball-Number 1 seed in the NCAA tournament. Personally without a fluke homerun by TSU or Pendleton getting hurt in practice, I think we win the CWS another year. Almost made it all the back vs TAMU.
Football-In the fall, lost two conference games by 3 points. Would have finished 7-1 and second behind Boise and I suspect a bowl. Generally competitive almost every week or you at least felt they would be for the prior 14 years.
Basketball-Probably the best team in history, at least relatively since the mid 50's or 40's. If Yamar Diene stays healthy, maybe they don't fall apart at the end of the season.
Across the board-generally better than UH-remember the Maggard report?
If I had told you that BB would be outscored on opening weekend by 36-3. And football has won 10 games in 5 years and mostly uncompetitive except against the bottom dregs. And basketball has recruited numerous very solid/pretty darn good players including a first round draft pick. Yet still has not won a conference title or made it to the NCAA's. Except many of those players did. And I hate to type this, Rice is ignored and not in the same category as UH, almost across the board.
You would think I was crazy. But here we stand. Now no doubt, the foundation for this disaster was set years before Spring 2004. But lack of effort at the highest levels of the University is where this stands and not pushing forward like TCU and others instead of letting events dictate to us. And what event happened in July 2004. Leebron.
Sorry the facts don't lie. And the lack of support is telling.
Yeah, right-- this is all Leebron's fault. You guys are just amazing. You scream of lack of support, but how much have personally put in to support our various programs? I'm serious.
Walt-don't go there with me. A lot more than I should-season tickets in everything-seats that go unused. And plenty to the Owl Club. And I know you're out of town, but I miss very few BSKB and FB. But at some point time this has to be a University commitment and the lack of marketing for many many years says it all. But explain the facts presented above........
(06-21-2020 01:07 AM)illiniowl Wrote: I would quadruple the NCAA enforcement staff and give them subpoena power and audit the grades and the players' and families' bank accounts and on and on, and make cheating as close to impossible to get away with as we can. Seems like Rice would have a better chance to thrive in that environment with a truly level playing field than in a lawless one like the present one ...
I think you run into a few legal, and perhaps some constitutional, issues doing all that.
(02-20-2022 08:09 PM)waltgreenberg Wrote: Yeah, right-- this is all Leebron's fault. You guys are just amazing. You scream of lack of support, but how much have personally put in to support our various programs? I'm serious.
Well into six figures here. And I am well aware that the problems predate Leebron by several decades.
Talk about Transforming a school that used to be a SWC also-ran along with us back in the day. Baylor has had a decent run, despite a few bumps along the way...now, their AD gets his reward:
College football season kicks off Aug. 27. Here is the complete list of regular-season win totals for all 131 Football Bowl Subdivision teams posted at the Westgate SuperBook.
Note: Totals don’t include conference championship games or bowl games.
(07-21-2022 09:49 PM)GoodOwl Wrote: Maybe we'll move up incrementally to 3 Wins....or down to just 2, either way, Vegas not too optimistic on the Owls this upcoming season:
College football season kicks off Aug. 27. Here is the complete list of regular-season win totals for all 131 Football Bowl Subdivision teams posted at the Westgate SuperBook.
Note: Totals don’t include conference championship games or bowl games.
2022 college football win totals:
(u=under, o=over)
Rice; 2½ (o-140)
When do we get to see the Coach’s Hot Seat list?
Well, the Owls are currently in the top 20 on that list.
(07-21-2022 09:49 PM)GoodOwl Wrote: Maybe we'll move up incrementally to 3 Wins....or down to just 2, either way, Vegas not too optimistic on the Owls this upcoming season:
College football season kicks off Aug. 27. Here is the complete list of regular-season win totals for all 131 Football Bowl Subdivision teams posted at the Westgate SuperBook.
Note: Totals don’t include conference championship games or bowl games.
2022 college football win totals:
(u=under, o=over)
Rice; 2½ (o-140)
When do we get to see the Coach’s Hot Seat list?
Well, the Owls are currently in the top 20 on that list.
(07-21-2022 09:49 PM)GoodOwl Wrote: Maybe we'll move up incrementally to 3 Wins....or down to just 2, either way, Vegas not too optimistic on the Owls this upcoming season:
College football season kicks off Aug. 27. Here is the complete list of regular-season win totals for all 131 Football Bowl Subdivision teams posted at the Westgate SuperBook.
Note: Totals don’t include conference championship games or bowl games.
2022 college football win totals:
(u=under, o=over)
Rice; 2½ (o-140)
When do we get to see the Coach’s Hot Seat list?
Well, the Owls are currently in the top 20 on that list.
If we lose by more than 55 to USC, he should be fired immediately. I've had it with Bloomgren's shtick. At this point, I'd be looking for a reason to fire him. There's a very distinct possibility that we start another season at 1-4. When it happens, fire him, and give the reigns to an assistant who might be able to salvage the season.
(07-21-2022 11:31 PM)Ourland Wrote: If we lose by more than 55 to USC, he should be fired immediately. I've had it with Bloomgren's shtick. At this point, I'd be looking for a reason to fire him. There's a very distinct possibility that we start another season at 1-4. When it happens, fire him, and give the reigns to an assistant who might be able to salvage the season.
I don't know what you salvage. The problem is that the players aren't very good, or at least not well suited to the schemes being attempted. The reason the players are not better is in large part because the staff has not recruited Texas effectively, because Bloomgren hired a staff with virtually no Texas connections. And the reason that the players don't fit the schemes better is because the people required to run those schemes are not the kinds of players that Rice can recruit.
(07-21-2022 11:31 PM)Ourland Wrote: If we lose by more than 55 to USC, he should be fired immediately. I've had it with Bloomgren's shtick. At this point, I'd be looking for a reason to fire him. There's a very distinct possibility that we start another season at 1-4. When it happens, fire him, and give the reigns to an assistant who might be able to salvage the season.
(07-21-2022 11:31 PM)Ourland Wrote: If we lose by more than 55 to USC, he should be fired immediately. I've had it with Bloomgren's shtick. At this point, I'd be looking for a reason to fire him. There's a very distinct possibility that we start another season at 1-4. When it happens, fire him, and give the reigns to an assistant who might be able to salvage the season.
So you would be good with 56-2?
We got a 'try' at Notre Dame in '88 (the first).
We scored first.
We scored last.
They only scored 54.
(07-21-2022 11:31 PM)Ourland Wrote: If we lose by more than 55 to USC, he should be fired immediately. I've had it with Bloomgren's shtick. At this point, I'd be looking for a reason to fire him. There's a very distinct possibility that we start another season at 1-4. When it happens, fire him, and give the reigns to an assistant who might be able to salvage the season.
So you would be good with 56-2?
We got a 'try' at Notre Dame in '88 (the first).
We scored first.
We scored last.
They only scored 54.
12-0 national champions and the Owls were 0-11 that year. I thought we actually played them relatively well given the huge talent disparity. Giving up two special teams TD's is tough to recover from against anyone
(07-21-2022 11:31 PM)Ourland Wrote: If we lose by more than 55 to USC, he should be fired immediately. I've had it with Bloomgren's shtick. At this point, I'd be looking for a reason to fire him. There's a very distinct possibility that we start another season at 1-4. When it happens, fire him, and give the reigns to an assistant who might be able to salvage the season.
So you would be good with 56-2?
I would have fired Bloomgren after last season, so hell no. At the same time USC has talent that's far beyond ours, and they have an incredible coaching staff. It's a program that we have no business playing right now. I expect them to destroy us, and if they do it by more than 55 points, fire him.
(07-21-2022 11:31 PM)Ourland Wrote: If we lose by more than 55 to USC, he should be fired immediately. I've had it with Bloomgren's shtick. At this point, I'd be looking for a reason to fire him. There's a very distinct possibility that we start another season at 1-4. When it happens, fire him, and give the reigns to an assistant who might be able to salvage the season.
I don't know what you salvage. The problem is that the players aren't very good, or at least not well suited to the schemes being attempted. The reason the players are not better is in large part because the staff has not recruited Texas effectively, because Bloomgren hired a staff with virtually no Texas connections. And the reason that the players don't fit the schemes better is because the people required to run those schemes are not the kinds of players that Rice can recruit.
Rice needs to grow a nut sack and make a statement, if nothing else. It needs to finally fire an incompetent coach during a season, and Bloomgren needs to be that coach. He's a hard-headed jerk that no one likes.
Make statement. Hold someone accountable for once. Send a message that losing, and losing badly, will not be tolerated.
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