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RE: Steve Ehrhart pulling rank on UM regarding chair backs at LBMS
take a close look at the existing box seats. those aisles are built differently than the bleachers surrounding them. been that way from day 1 (and dont meet code either). those guys you see going to the bathroom and tripping at the vomitory arent drunk, the stair treads and risers change size.

to tear out the whole bowl below the lower vomitories would cost what a new stadium would.

i just always liked how the city paid $300k for those bleachers. does anyone really think about 5,000 sq ft of aluminum planking cost $300,000 in 1999? seems they would have been a lot less cavalier about throwing them away if thats what they really cost
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(01-11-2015 07:58 AM)tigerjeb Wrote:  for the 1,884th time - how are they gonna do it? the ONLY thing that could be done to add chair backs is gutting the stadium below the lower cross aisles and rebuilding to allow minimum treads/risers per code and ADA. per the original HOK S+V+E stadium study, that would replace 11,470 bench seats with approximately 7,000 chairback seats. the cost per seat if this was done would be astronomical - more than the cost per seat at the cannon center (which still nobody has gone to jail over). money better saved and spent later on NEW construction. the current seating treads are 27" wide. the bench seating takes up 12" of that leaving only 15" of walking space between aisles. a typical chair seat is 22" deep. with the seat deployed, you would only have 5" (best case) of knee space.

it just doesnt work. to prove it, think back to around right before the 1999 season, they built an idiotic alumimiun platform that was taller than the surrounding seats. it was elevated because they had to get above the existing concrete structure to make the seating aisle conformant to code. since the geometry of that platform did not work with the exiting seating risers, you had more space taken away by stairs to access the platform. if they had not had fan day at the stadium that year, around 15000 tiger fans would have shown up at the mississippi game and not been able to see half the field because the height of the silly thing. a whole lot of people pitched a holy fit that day and those things were down before game, but peoples season tickets were totally mucked up over the fiasco. our season tickets were moved to a row that didnt exist physically, it did on the university seating manifest though. imagine our suprise when we showed up for the mississippi game to find out hey - you dont have a seat. sorry about that. totally insane and nobody ever fessed up who approved the drawings and wrote the check for that thing.

You have been saying this for years....I don't understand how it does not sink in for some.....
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RE: Steve Ehrhart pulling rank on UM regarding chair backs at LBMS
(01-12-2015 07:53 PM)tigerjeb Wrote:  take a close look at the existing box seats. those aisles are built differently than the bleachers surrounding them. been that way from day 1 (and dont meet code either). those guys you see going to the bathroom and tripping at the vomitory arent drunk, the stair treads and risers change size.

all those years, I always thought those guys were drunk
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(01-12-2015 08:20 PM)OneShiningMoment Wrote:  all those years, I always thought those guys were drunk

well maybe some of them were...04-cheers
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Comfortable fans are quiet fans.
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Chair backs would rock!!
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Steve Ehrhart pulling rank on UM regarding chair backs at LBMS
IMO......chair backs are needed for at least part of the LB. More comfortable, higher ticket prices, helps with occupancy and overall look on TV.
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RE: Steve Ehrhart pulling rank on UM regarding chair backs at LBMS
Before this proposal was aired I'm sure the idea was looked at by folks schooled in how this stuff might work. They already seem to know the number of lost seats. Reminds me of the ADA modifications and the lost seating there. And it's the lost seating that leads to Erhart's and the Heritage Classic's position on this --- otherwise why not hear 'this won't work.' -- Better, less controversial response.
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(01-12-2015 10:25 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  Before this proposal was aired I'm sure the idea was looked at by folks schooled in how this stuff might work. They already seem to know the number of lost seats. Reminds me of the ADA modifications and the lost seating there. And it's the lost seating that leads to Erhart's and the Heritage Classic's position on this --- otherwise why not hear 'this won't work.' -- Better, less controversial response.

Erhart, SHC fighting a losing battle on this one. Will happen.
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I give up
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(01-12-2015 10:51 PM)tigerjeb Wrote:  I give up

Yep, it looks like reading comprehension isn't a strong suit around here...
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(01-12-2015 10:51 PM)tigerjeb Wrote:  I give up

Lol.
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(01-12-2015 10:51 PM)tigerjeb Wrote:  I give up

03-lmfao I actually lol'ed
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(01-12-2015 07:22 PM)pkptigers07 Wrote:  Boyer said it may be reasonable to assume Sightlines Inc., the Louisville-based company responsible for the project would have created a box-seat plan that didn't block sight-lines of bleacher-seat fans.

Hard to believe anyone could think that setup could actually work.

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L'vile company. They probably did it on purpose.
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Here's a follow up blog I wrote about what Rudd and Bowen might be thinking about now - including funding sources for a stadium project: http://bballjones.com/2015/01/13/is-fund...realistic/
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I don't think the city would be able to keep the LBS open without us as the primary tenant . I also don't believe that there is any workable way to put that type of seating in there. We are way past the point of any good solution with the current stadium. The only question now is a new OCS or a new city owened stadium.
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(01-13-2015 07:08 AM)FUB Wrote:  I don't think the city would be able to keep the LBS open without us as the primary tenant . I also don't believe that there is any workable way to put that type of seating in there. We are way past the point of any good solution with the current stadium. The only question now is a new OCS or a new city owened stadium.

I loved the concept of Tiger Lane. Thought it was a waste of money considering I think the LB is way past it's expiration date. All the millions sunk into it could have went toward the needed, next to entertainment district facility downtown.
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(01-13-2015 07:08 AM)FUB Wrote:  I don't think the city would be able to keep the LBS open without us as the primary tenant . I also don't believe that there is any workable way to put that type of seating in there. We are way past the point of any good solution with the current stadium. The only question now is a new OCS or a new city owened stadium.

If the city can't maintain the LB without our university (& it never has been able to do so with any of its sports facilities) then there is no question the city should not be in the stadium business. Our university should build an OCS stadium in the Highland Normal area which is the best location for the city to reap a tax base increase from the surrounding development & the best for the university. Such a decision & location would benefit the city way beyond continual attempts to renew downtown or the Fairgrounds. And most of all, such a decision would be a significant help to our university's alumni giving, student participation & push for the P5.
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RE: Steve Ehrhart pulling rank on UM regarding chair backs at LBMS
Obviously chairbacks take up more room than bleachers...but it would be great if the city would turn the LB into a 43,000-45,000 seat chairback stadium.

Louisville was one of the first to build a 98% chairback seating stadium in 1998 with the opening of the 42,000 seat Papa John Stadium:

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Having mostly sellouts for 12 plus years because seating/capacity was limited...UL was able to start up a season tix waiting list...including new premium seating areas...which lead to their 12,000 seat expansion a few years ago.

Imagine a LB with 42,000 blue seats?

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Limiting capacity for UM games and even LB games will help raise more booster $$$$ and more higher priced season tix sales (vs relying on $5-$10 specials to sell so many tix).

Sellout the stadium before Game 1....that should always be the goal for any program...and limited capacity while offer much better amenities (chairbacks), it would be a win-win for city and team. (Life expectancy of the stadium would be extended for decades if they did this).

PS. For the mostly bleacher sections of the LB, they don't have bleacher backs do they? (i.e. just the bench seating...no back support)
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RE: Steve Ehrhart pulling rank on UM regarding chair backs at LBMS
Myself, I would be happy if they could compromise and use the money to replace the existing bleachers (or a large section of them) with newer bleachers that actually have backs on them. Most of the bleachers at the newer stadiums have backs on them and while they may not be as comfortable as chairbacks seats, they would be better than the current backless ones. And while the University may not be able to charge the same premium for those as opposed to individual chairbacks seats, I am pretty sure the university could create another pricing category to optimize their revenues for the sections improved.
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