pobearman Wrote:AK was actively working against UC; examples include encouraging Downey to transfer and not paying attention to the academics. White and Jihad's academic issues fall squarely on AK. As a result, I have little respect for the man. If not given the chance at UC last year, he would not be coach at Mississippi. In time, Huggins will screw him as he has others who thought they were his friends.

Three possibilities:

1) Escapee from the Dimness board,
2) tosu fan,
3) computer error -- ID10T error code presented itself.

Ooopsss.............

Fourth possibility -- "Please quit posting on that there computer thingy!", said Ken Howey.

pobearman Wrote:AK was actively working against UC; examples include encouraging Downey to transfer and not paying attention to the academics. White and Jihad's academic issues fall squarely on AK. As a result, I have little respect for the man. If not given the chance at UC last year, he would not be coach at Mississippi. In time, Huggins will screw him as he has others who thought they were his friends.

This coming from the poster who said that Vaughn and Warren are the best tandem of guards UC has had since AD Jackson and Van Exel

QSECOFR Wrote:

WacoBearcat Wrote:I sure wish Kennedy could have kept White and Jihad eligible last year. What an embarrassment and disappointment to have this go down during the NIT tournament.

AK had secured a tentative offer BEFORE White and Jihad gave up on classes. AK was working to better himself and his family. Given the circumstances, I don't blame AK in the least -- blame those who did not go to class -- blame the profs - blame the AD - blame to Pres - blame anyone you want. AK knew he has ZERO chance at being the next coach at UC. If I were in his shoes, I don't know that I would have done anything different.

Um, poberman is getting attacked for claiming that Kennedy was working against UC. HOw is his assessment different from the one offered by OSECOFR?

pobearman Wrote:AK was actively working against UC; examples include encouraging Downey to transfer and not paying attention to the academics. White and Jihad's academic issues fall squarely on AK. As a result, I have little respect for the man. If not given the chance at UC last year, he would not be coach at Mississippi. In time, Huggins will screw him as he has others who thought they were his friends.

Go sell crazy somewhere else, we're all full here.

Well, so many people on here are quoting reliable sources and seem to be in the know.

My reliable source had AK leaving from the get-go.

He was auditioning the whole time and the one thing he acknowledged to those I know is that he considered the job a death penalty in terms of recruiting after his year with White, Hicks, and the others.

I had the deepest respect for AK. But I seriously don't think he was up for the recruiting task at hand.

That is something that people are not giving Mick enough credit for.

HoopsJunky Wrote:

pobearman Wrote:AK was actively working against UC; examples include encouraging Downey to transfer and not paying attention to the academics. White and Jihad's academic issues fall squarely on AK. As a result, I have little respect for the man. If not given the chance at UC last year, he would not be coach at Mississippi. In time, Huggins will screw him as he has others who thought they were his friends.

This coming from the poster who said that Vaughn and Warren are the best tandem of guards UC has had since AD Jackson and Van Exel

I loved Van Exel and AD........but please remember, THEY WERE PLAYING IN CUSA, NOT THE BIG EAST.

That gets lost on so many people on this board when they canonize certain people that were here before. THIS AIN'T YOUR MOTHER'S UC.

Quote:I loved Van Exel and AD........but please remember, THEY WERE PLAYING IN CUSA, NOT THE BIG EAST.

That gets lost on so many people on this board when they canonize certain people that were here before. THIS AIN'T YOUR MOTHER'S UC.

Chatter

Your right Van Exel and AD Jackson would have struggled in the Big East. They probably wouldn't have made it to the tourney if they played in the "BIG EAST" back then

Never mind they made it the Final 4 and Elite 8 in there 2 years together

I love these theoretical debates about how past teams would do in present conferences. No way to tell but both sides swear they know the answers. I still say the 75' Reds were better than the 98' Yankees.

Not sure, but I believe they played in the Great Midwest, a strong basketball conference.

WacoBearcat Wrote:

QSECOFR Wrote:

WacoBearcat Wrote:I sure wish Kennedy could have kept White and Jihad eligible last year. What an embarrassment and disappointment to have this go down during the NIT tournament.

AK had secured a tentative offer BEFORE White and Jihad gave up on classes. AK was working to better himself and his family. Given the circumstances, I don't blame AK in the least -- blame those who did not go to class -- blame the profs - blame the AD - blame to Pres - blame anyone you want. AK knew he has ZERO chance at being the next coach at UC. If I were in his shoes, I don't know that I would have done anything different.

Um, poberman is getting attacked for claiming that Kennedy was working against UC. HOw is his assessment different from the one offered by OSECOFR?

Waco, I have no knowledge whatsoever that AK was working against UC. He did not recruit anyone because he knew that he would not be hired as the next coach no matter what.

Quote:I love these theoretical debates about how past teams would do in present conferences. No way to tell but both sides swear they know the answers.

To completely downplay how good past players are because they didn't play in the Big East is ......

Your right it is up for debate if UC would have made the NCAA tourney Van Exel's 2 years had they been in the Big East.

Hey, I actually agree with everything you have said. Just saying arguing it is akin to debating the sound of one hand clapping.

NVExel Wrote:Not sure, but I believe they played in the Great Midwest, a strong basketball conference.

lmfao

HoopsJunky Wrote:

Quote:I loved Van Exel and AD........but please remember, THEY WERE PLAYING IN CUSA, NOT THE BIG EAST.

That gets lost on so many people on this board when they canonize certain people that were here before. THIS AIN'T YOUR MOTHER'S UC.

Chatter

Your right Van Exel and AD Jackson would have struggled in the Big East. They probably wouldn't have made it to the tourney if they played in the "BIG EAST" back then

Never mind they made it the Final 4 and Elite 8 in there 2 years together

They might have won the tourney had they had some legit competition during the season to better prepare them.

Chatter...you had better learn something before you laugh at me.

You are the one that didn't even know what conference they played in.

They lost to a Michigan team that had far more talent in 1992 and took the national champs to overtime in 1993, North Carolina's toughest game...conference affiliation did not hurt them at all.

NVE only played 15 years in the NBA...I gues he would have played 16 had he been in a good conference.

The Great Midwest Conference was an NCAA Division I athletics conference which existed from 1991 to 1995.

It was formed in 1990 with six members--Cincinnati and Memphis State (now Memphis) from the Metro Conference; UAB from the Sun Belt Conference; Marquette and Saint Louis from the Midwestern Collegiate Conference (now the Horizon League), and independent DePaul. Dayton joined in 1993.

In 1995 it merged with the Metro Conference to form Conference USA.

NVExel Wrote:Chatter...you had better learn something before you laugh at me.

You are the one that didn't even know what conference they played in.

They lost to a Michigan team that had far more talent in 1992 and took the national champs to overtime in 1993, North Carolina's toughest game...conference affiliation did not hurt them at all.

NVE only played 15 years in the NBA...I gues he would have played 16 had he been in a good conference.

Conference Affilliation probably didn't hurt them in 92/93, but I do feel that it played a role in the lack of tourney success after that.

The stars aligned for UC in 92, UC was a 4 seed, they got help from UTEP by knocking Kansas out. That UTEP team was a tough little team, they were UC's hardest game up until the final four. They had beaten Memphis State 3 times already so they knew they had their number. It was a great run and I remember every minute of it. But truth is out of 7 tourney wins in 92/93 UC beat 2 major conference teams (Michigan St in '92 and Virginia in '93). It still makes it a great run, it just wasn't a the toughest one.

bearcat1965 Wrote:

HoopsJunky Wrote:

Quote:I loved Van Exel and AD........but please remember, THEY WERE PLAYING IN CUSA, NOT THE BIG EAST.

That gets lost on so many people on this board when they canonize certain people that were here before. THIS AIN'T YOUR MOTHER'S UC.

Chatter

Your right Van Exel and AD Jackson would have struggled in the Big East. They probably wouldn't have made it to the tourney if they played in the "BIG EAST" back then

Never mind they made it the Final 4 and Elite 8 in there 2 years together

They might have won the tourney had they had some legit competition during the season to better prepare them.

This is ludicrous Chatter. They played the likes of Memphis (3 times), IU and Mich State in 91-92. The following year in 92-93 they played IU (who was ranked 4th at the time, Temple, UMass (top 10), Arizona (ranked) and Marquette (twice, and ranked both times). You need to get real if you think that Nick and company didn't prove themselves against good competition.
PS. In 93-94, they played ELEVEN ranked teams before losing in the tourney to Wisc.

NVExel Wrote:The Great Midwest Conference was an NCAA Division I athletics conference which existed from 1991 to 1995.

It was formed in 1990 with six members--Cincinnati and Memphis State (now Memphis) from the Metro Conference; UAB from the Sun Belt Conference; Marquette and Saint Louis from the Midwestern Collegiate Conference (now the Horizon League), and independent DePaul. Dayton joined in 1993.

In 1995 it merged with the Metro Conference to form Conference USA.

I knew what conference they played in. But does it really matter?

Dude, the Final Four and Elite Eight runs of the Nicky Van Excellent teams were the best moments in Huggins history for me. Hell, I put off an extra night proposing to my former wife, just to watch the UNC Elite Eight game.

I just don't think anyone can compare those conferences to the Big East. It's just absurd to do so.

Murph29 Wrote:

bearcat1965 Wrote:

HoopsJunky Wrote:

Quote:I loved Van Exel and AD........but please remember, THEY WERE PLAYING IN CUSA, NOT THE BIG EAST.

That gets lost on so many people on this board when they canonize certain people that were here before. THIS AIN'T YOUR MOTHER'S UC.

Chatter

Your right Van Exel and AD Jackson would have struggled in the Big East. They probably wouldn't have made it to the tourney if they played in the "BIG EAST" back then

Never mind they made it the Final 4 and Elite 8 in there 2 years together

They might have won the tourney had they had some legit competition during the season to better prepare them.

This is ludicrous Chatter. They played the likes of Memphis (3 times), IU and Mich State in 91-92. The following year in 92-93 they played IU (who was ranked 4th at the time, Temple, UMass (top 10), Arizona (ranked) and Marquette (twice, and ranked both times). You need to get real if you think that Nick and company didn't prove themselves against good competition.
PS. In 93-94, they played ELEVEN ranked teams before losing in the tourney to Wisc.

Obviously my comment was tongue in cheek. Guess I need to start putting the wink smilie back in.

I have nothing but respect for the greatest Huggins-lead UC team. I probably remember more of what happened than you do. I lived and breathed UC basketball back then.