There is discussion on the SBC board about CCU being ahead of LU and JMU as an FBS invitee. There are actually several SBC posters stating CCU would be their first FBS choice. That is one misinformed poster. Must be coming from someone just trying to stir the pot who is still angry over JMU stiffing the SBC and who one dislikes LU. I get JMU being ahead of LU but not Coastal. Coastal is years away from being ready with lack of fan support and facilities.

I think Coastal is a fine school and there is a reason they are the biggest threat to us in football and for the overall sports title in the Big South every year. That said, I don't think they are much of a candidate to move to FBS at this time. Coastal said they wanted to move out of the Big South and into the Southern or CAA conference awhile ago but were passed over. They would have to make significant progress in fan support and facilities to move up and I don't know if that is even a goal of theirs. And if any Sun Belt president has reservations about Liberty's academics, then Coastal's will not make them feel any better.

I read the thread over at the Sun Belt board and got a good laugh at it. Some people just want to see Liberty fail but I think sooner or later they will be FBS and probably in the Sun Belt. If ULL, Arkansas State, and/or Texas State are the vocal ones against Liberty and then get admitted to CUSA, I think that would greatly help Liberty's chances. That way the Sun Belt would add a school in the west and one in the east to make 12.

Some simple researching will show you CCU is nowhere near FBS ready.

(12-30-2014 05:27 PM)GE and MTS Wrote:  I think Coastal is a fine school and there is a reason they are the biggest threat to us in football and for the overall sports title in the Big South every year. That said, I don't think they are much of a candidate to move to FBS at this time. Coastal said they wanted to move out of the Big South and into the Southern or CAA conference awhile ago but were passed over. They would have to make significant progress in fan support and facilities to move up and I don't know if that is even a goal of theirs. And if any Sun Belt president has reservations about Liberty's academics, then Coastal's will not make them feel any better.

I read the thread over at the Sun Belt board and got a good laugh at it. Some people just want to see Liberty fail but I think sooner or later they will be FBS and probably in the Sun Belt. If ULL, Arkansas State, and/or Texas State are the vocal ones against Liberty and then get admitted to CUSA, I think that would greatly help Liberty's chances. That way the Sun Belt would add a school in the west and one in the east to make 12.

With zero interest on this board from Coastal fans, I believe that display is representative of the lack of fan support they have. Costal has a great upside like LU. But Costal is years behind LU, JMU and most all other schools desiring FBS.

The tide has turned for LU. We are closer than we have ever been to receive an invite. It's going to be great when App St, ODU, JMU and LU are all FBS.

Most schools mentioned that aren't LU or JMU on the SBC board are no where near FBS ready. It's that or they have never mentioned a desire to move up. Or they don't even have a FB team. Pretty silly posters.

I'm not too excited for JMU to go FBS. I don't want to fight them for recruits and I don't want more Virginia FBS schools. If they want to pass over the opportunity to go FBS by shunning the Sun Belt, then that's what they will have to reap. ODU has a huge advantage over us right now for getting to FBS before us and planting the seeds of a winning tradition. I know we are branded as a more national school than a regional one but we must recruit our home area well or we won't have success.

(12-30-2014 09:35 PM)GE and MTS Wrote:  I'm not too excited for JMU to go FBS. I don't want to fight them for recruits and I don't want more Virginia FBS schools. If they want to pass over the opportunity to go FBS by shunning the Sun Belt, then that's what they will have to reap. ODU has a huge advantage over us right now for getting to FBS before us and planting the seeds of a winning tradition. I know we are branded as a more national school than a regional one but we must recruit our home area well or we won't have success.

There are many more positives with JMU and LU both being FBS rather than only LU.
We could develop a fierce rivalry. We'll be competing for recruits against everybody. The best way to interest instate players is develop strong relationships with coaches. They have huge impact on players decisions. Welcome JMU as a FBS member. LU will gain more than if not.

I still am having trouble understanding what LU gains from having JMU as a fellow FBS member. If Liberty needs a big in-state rivalry to excite the local talent then they can get with ODU instead or VT/UVA. JMU and the CAA shunned us when we were trying to join. It would hurt us if more Virginia schools went FBS as there is not enough local talent to go around to all of us. Lucky for us we are branding as a national school because we want to the premier Christian university. I don't think fierce rivalries sells to high school kids. I think being the only show in town is much more effective.

(12-31-2014 06:57 AM)GE and MTS Wrote:  I still am having trouble understanding what LU gains from having JMU as a fellow FBS member. If Liberty needs a big in-state rivalry to excite the local talent then they can get with ODU instead or VT/UVA. JMU and the CAA shunned us when we were trying to join. It would hurt us if more Virginia schools went FBS as there is not enough local talent to go around to all of us. Lucky for us we are branding as a national school because we want to the premier Christian university. I don't think fierce rivalries sells to high school kids. I think being the only show in town is much more effective.

Here's an example. NC, NCState, Duke are all within close proximity. Now I'm not comparing LU to those schools but using them as an example. They all thrive and succeed with talent instate and out of state in very close proximity to one another. Add in Wake and ECU and the instate talent pool shrinks even smaller. Certainly two more FBS school in VA, bringing the total to 5 would be similar.

I'm not sure why you feel such a strong objection towards JMU. They are peers like us wanting to go FBS. Is there really any more competition from ODU or App state or any other nearby FBS program than when JMU joins the fray? To single out JMU seems unwise. To me the benefits are so many more than the negatives. If you don't agree, let's just agree that we disagree. We've best this drum enough on our board, unless others want to chime in with their perspectives.

Coastal has never expressed any desire to go fbs as far as I know. Some if those guys over on the sb board know little to nothing about schools they've suggested. I assumed a good number of those posters were educated knowledgeable football guys. That's not the case. That's why very few actually talk football. Many including Rev love EKU. Do they realize EKU had 1,800 at their first round playoff game and probably 300 of those were Indiana state fans.

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(12-31-2014 12:03 PM)Libertygrad01 Wrote:  Coastal has never expressed any desire to go fbs as far as I know. Some if those guys over on the sb board know little to nothing about schools they've suggested. I assumed a good number of those posters were educated knowledgeable football guys. That's not the case. That's why very few actually talk football. Many including Rev love EKU. Do they realize EKU had 1,800 at their first round playoff game and probably 300 of those were Indiana state fans.

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We LU fans who have posted on the sbc board have taken ample criticism from many sbc posters in promoting the merit of our team. When a sbc fan/poster places a left field post listing Coastal as a prime future FBS member, it's either complete ignorance of the BSC, LU, or a team fan trying to generate some discussion for their team. To us that know it's laughable. I've had several run is with Rev and Tom and you are right there are several there who have a jade view towards Liberty.

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(12-31-2014 06:57 AM)GE and MTS Wrote:  I still am having trouble understanding what LU gains from having JMU as a fellow FBS member. If Liberty needs a big in-state rivalry to excite the local talent then they can get with ODU instead or VT/UVA. JMU and the CAA shunned us when we were trying to join. It would hurt us if more Virginia schools went FBS as there is not enough local talent to go around to all of us. Lucky for us we are branding as a national school because we want to the premier Christian university. I don't think fierce rivalries sells to high school kids. I think being the only show in town is much more effective.

Here's an example. NC, NCState, Duke are all within close proximity. Now I'm not comparing LU to those schools but using them as an example. They all thrive and succeed with talent instate and out of state in very close proximity to one another. Add in Wake and ECU and the instate talent pool shrinks even smaller. Certainly two more FBS school in VA, bringing the total to 5 would be similar.

I'm not sure why you feel such a strong objection towards JMU. They are peers like us wanting to go FBS. Is there really any more competition from ODU or App state or any other nearby FBS program than when JMU joins the fray? To single out JMU seems unwise. To me the benefits are so many more than the negatives. If you don't agree, let's just agree that we disagree. We've best this drum enough on our board, unless others want to chime in with their perspectives.

I'm not disagreeing to be argumentative and I value your opinion which is why I asked to further see your point of view. I'm sorry if I came off as abrasive.

UNC, NC State, and Duke have strong regional rivalries because they are all ACC powers (or at least were formerly) in basketball and they are all right next to each other (with Wake Forest). But you are making my point when you say WF, ECU, App State, and Charlotte are all left fighting for leftovers at the FBS level. Liberty's pile of leftovers gets smaller if more Virginia schools get to FBS. Luckily only Virginia and Virginia Tech are P5 members in the state.

If Liberty wants to hitch it's wagon to JMU and pair with them in FBS then they could do a lot worse than JMU. I'd prefer ODU to JMU but I'd rather neither. We can have a great rivalry with another school in other states. I would want to partner with another school (or schools) with P5 aspirations like UConn, Cincinnati, Central Florida, Memphis, and BYU. Try to have them agree to fight for us to get into a P5 conference with them and reciprocate the favor to them as well.

In fact to take it one step further, I'd partner with UCF for P5 inclusion to the Big 12 (after we reach FBS of course) and label our partnership as the partnership of graduates because UCF has the largest undergrad program in the country and LU has the one of the largest online graduates. I'd push our huge combined population base to the Big 12, who has a small footprint, (especially if you remove the state of Texas) and use us as the bridge to West Virginia. In the meantime, I'd get a scheduling agreement with WVU in as many sports as I could to get their backing for membership. The Big 12 gets into two important new states of Virginia and Florida which have great demographics anyway.

I know the above paragraph is a pipe dream at the moment which is why we need to get to FBS or we're just falling behind. But I'm preaching to the choir with that!

I hope JMU does not go FBS. I think Virginia with 4 FBS schools is just right. (Virginia, Va. Tech, ODU, Liberty)

(01-02-2015 02:27 PM)army56mike Wrote:  I hope JMU does not go FBS. I think Virginia with 4 FBS schools is just right. (Virginia, Va. Tech, ODU, Liberty)

Then it's okay if we disagree. I welcome them (JMU) now or in the future. We seem to be more in alignment to make the move. They seem more cautious and calculating and the consensus number 1 for FBS appeal.

I just want LU to be FBS. Williams Stadium will be rocking when we get some good quality teams coming here with 1k to 2k visiting fans supporting them.

It's not that I think JMU isn't deserving, and I certainly encourage them to make the move to FBS if they want to. I won't stand in the progress of any aspiring team. However, I would be happy with four FBS teams in Virginia.