(12-27-2014 12:01 AM)HuskieFootball Addict Wrote:  

(12-26-2014 11:38 PM)zdsmith Wrote:  The point that 7 is trying to make is that all of his arguments are based in facts and numbers and I know he watches every single game.

I'm sure it gets pretty irritating when (some) people refuse to back up their arguments with anything other than "well he sux we bettr fire him".

Zach, my husband actually PLAYED football. He is a very smart man & can see the whole picture. After living with this man for 35 years, I too can see. We also watch every single NIU game. In fact, we don't miss any of them ever.
While I believe that 7 believes he knows everything...he does not. He is just a young man - early 20 something year old who indeed does resort to name calling when a person disagrees with him.
He may very well be your friend, but he has a lot of growing up to do & he doesn't know everything. :-)
He is entitled to his thoughts & viewpoints but he does need to stop with the name calling when one of us does not agree with his views. That just shows his immaturity.

Oh I understand, really! I'm a twenty-something too and I know I have a ton of growing up to do too! :)

(12-26-2014 03:48 PM)The Frisky Biscuit Wrote:  

(12-24-2014 05:46 PM)VegasHuskie Wrote:  

(12-24-2014 01:48 PM)BarsemaBone2 Wrote:  Congratulations, you have replaced MD as officially the dumbest poster on this board.

Don't be afraid of an opinion that differs from your own, Barsema. It is easy to toss insults, more difficult to refute what you feel is flawed logic with your own rebuttal.

I would be curious as to why I should be encouraged about the future with a coach who can't beat a good team or win a bowl game. I am curious why I should be encouraged about a coach that has no experience at the major college level. I am always open to an interesting discussion if you could muster something more than a schoolboy taunt.

You're picking and choosing stats to fit your agenda and not providing a fair argument. It happens when you hate a guy.

Carey is not perfect. DUH. DOUBLE DUH. He hasn't won every game. But acting like he's an idiot choker is a really bad argument when you consider his entire tenure, not a few selected stats.

I don't hate Coach Carey. In fact, it's quite the contrary. I like that his players seem to respect him, he appears loyal to DeKalb, and I think he's fairly innovative in his play design.

I simply think he is too inexperienced to be the head coach at a University that has designs to be a national power as a mid-major.

He has not had the opportunity to work on the staff of a major conference college team or in the NFL. I think it's hasty to dismiss that as unimportant. The game moves at a different speed outside of the MAC and sub-division college football - what Coach Carey knows. Players are stronger, faster, and more athletic.

He has not learned from and been mentored by coaches who have spent careers working with elite athletes. Wisconsin-Stout, North Dakota, and directional Illinois teams. That is it.

This is not to say that man can't coach. He can design a game plan and beat the weak sisters of the MAC with his talent ridden NIU teams. What he can not do is prove victorious when his team is matched up against equal or superior talent.

I read a lot of comments that Marshall, well, "they were just a better team". Were they? A lot of people didn't have that opinion going into the game.

Is it possible Coach Carey and his staff did not have their team properly prepared to play against a faster team then what they had been seeing. Is it possible an experienced coach might have had some ideas how to counter the speed of Marshall and perhaps even exploit some of their weaknesses?

But look at all the games he's won so far! Yeah, I know. But not when it matters the most. Two conference championships, one loss. Three bowls, three losses. One mediocre SEC team, one blowout loss.

I believe NIU has reached the apex of what they can achieve under Coach Carey. They are limited to being only a good team in the MAC and nothing more. Once again, that is good enough for some fans and I respect that opinion.

I, however, would like to see more for the program. I would like to see more access bowls and possible upgrading in conference status.

If you feel that makes me a "moron" or an "idiot", feel free to join the chorus of Seven and his disciples and pepper me with insults.

(12-26-2014 11:17 PM)HuskieFootball Addict Wrote:  

(12-26-2014 03:19 PM)Huskie George Wrote:  

(12-26-2014 02:33 PM)7 Wrote:  They lost to a 13 win Marshall team who was a possesion away from going undefeated and an SEC West team. Newsflash, those teams had more talent than NIU did. A lot more talent.

And yes, if you're complaining about Carey at this point you're a moron. Always blaming coaching when NIU loses, makes you a moron.

If you want to complain about coaching, complain about whatever the hell that CMU game was where the couldn't stop a stretch play. Not two games where NIU got its doors blown off by teams better than them.

7, I'm so happy this board contains a contributor with the highest level of intelligence. Your attitude toward a different opinion is interesting. Attendance down, blame the fans. Did you notice how much money the White Sox spent recently? Why? The fan base reacted to a team that they perceived could not win a World Series by not buying tickets. The Sox recognized the problem. You on the other hand refuse to take a logical approach To NIU actually competing with "better" teams. We won 11 games by beating Presbyterian, UNLV, Northwestern (remember 5 win team) and mostly bad MAC (many ranked below 90) teams. We then lost to a very average CMU team. When we played good teams (not great Arkansas 6-6 & Marshall played a very weak, MAC heavy schedule) we got hammered because this deer-in-the-headlight coach when he starts to loose to these teams panics. See kick-offs giving a good, fast team, that thrives on good field position, the ball on the 45 yard line. Desmond Howard called the First Cato touchdown run before the play. Carey wouldn't know a tendency if it bit him. We are not competing with the teams at the level we emulate. Say what you want about past teams and coaches, but this 0-3 bowl games team is not better than the one 4 years ago. Don't say quarterback, Lynch teams lost 2 of the bowls and a game to Iowa. Carey will not move us up the ladder. Good luck with this coach when OOC schedule gets tougher.

YES! You speak the truth. Carey & staff are getting outcoached all the time.
Some of us really want to know if 7 has actually ever played football for being such an "expert" as he thinks he is. 7, have you played college football?
Or coached? Perhaps you've coached football at the college level? Yea, I thought not. Just a legend in your own mind, aren't you 7. LOL
If you have not, it would be very nice if you did not call people who do not agree with you idiots & morons.
Didn't your mother ever teach you to be nice & at least TRY to get along with other people?
Everyone is entitled to their opinion.

You don't have to have played the game to understand it.

(12-27-2014 01:02 AM)VegasHuskie Wrote:  

(12-26-2014 03:48 PM)The Frisky Biscuit Wrote:  

(12-24-2014 05:46 PM)VegasHuskie Wrote:  

(12-24-2014 01:48 PM)BarsemaBone2 Wrote:  Congratulations, you have replaced MD as officially the dumbest poster on this board.

Don't be afraid of an opinion that differs from your own, Barsema. It is easy to toss insults, more difficult to refute what you feel is flawed logic with your own rebuttal.

I would be curious as to why I should be encouraged about the future with a coach who can't beat a good team or win a bowl game. I am curious why I should be encouraged about a coach that has no experience at the major college level. I am always open to an interesting discussion if you could muster something more than a schoolboy taunt.

You're picking and choosing stats to fit your agenda and not providing a fair argument. It happens when you hate a guy.

Carey is not perfect. DUH. DOUBLE DUH. He hasn't won every game. But acting like he's an idiot choker is a really bad argument when you consider his entire tenure, not a few selected stats.

I don't hate Coach Carey. In fact, it's quite the contrary. I like that his players seem to respect him, he appears loyal to DeKalb, and I think he's fairly innovative in his play design.

I simply think he is too inexperienced to be the head coach at a University that has designs to be a national power as a mid-major.

He has not had the opportunity to work on the staff of a major conference college team or in the NFL. I think it's hasty to dismiss that as unimportant. The game moves at a different speed outside of the MAC and sub-division college football - what Coach Carey knows. Players are stronger, faster, and more athletic.

He has not learned from and been mentored by coaches who have spent careers working with elite athletes. Wisconsin-Stout, North Dakota, and directional Illinois teams. That is it.

This is not to say that man can't coach. He can design a game plan and beat the weak sisters of the MAC with his talent ridden NIU teams. What he can not do is prove victorious when his team is matched up against equal or superior talent.

I read a lot of comments that Marshall, well, "they were just a better team". Were they? A lot of people didn't have that opinion going into the game.

Is it possible Coach Carey and his staff did not have their team properly prepared to play against a faster team then what they had been seeing. Is it possible an experienced coach might have had some ideas how to counter the speed of Marshall and perhaps even exploit some of their weaknesses?

But look at all the games he's won so far! Yeah, I know. But not when it matters the most. Two conference championships, one loss. Three bowls, three losses. One mediocre SEC team, one blowout loss.

I believe NIU has reached the apex of what they can achieve under Coach Carey. They are limited to being only a good team in the MAC and nothing more. Once again, that is good enough for some fans and I respect that opinion.

I, however, would like to see more for the program. I would like to see more access bowls and possible upgrading in conference status.

If you feel that makes me a "moron" or an "idiot", feel free to join the chorus of Seven and his disciples and pepper me with insults.

I just don't think you're realistic. You're not going to get the top end proven coaches at NIU, ever. If you think the coach has anything to do with NIU "moving up," I think you're very mistaken.

NIU is always going to take chances on up and coming coaches....or have to settle for guys that flailed at bigger schools. That's how it is. NIU doesn't have the funds to be terribly picky with their coaches. Or move up to a bigger conference.

The argument is not whether there are better coaches than Carey...the argument is whether NIU can do better. Carey fits the profile of an NIU coach.

EVERYONE wants NIU to end up in a P5 conference. I just think most people are living in a dream world where they think it's very likely. It's not. And Carey isn't going to help that or hurt that. NIU could have beaten Florida State and they'd still be in the MAC. It's a money thing, not a football success thing.

Whether people like it or not, winning the MAC and getting the occasional shot at a good big conference school might be the best NIU can do.

(12-27-2014 01:13 AM)The Frisky Biscuit Wrote:  

(12-27-2014 01:02 AM)VegasHuskie Wrote:  

(12-26-2014 03:48 PM)The Frisky Biscuit Wrote:  

(12-24-2014 05:46 PM)VegasHuskie Wrote:  [quote='BarsemaBone2' pid='11586185' dateline='1419446896']
Congratulations, you have replaced MD as officially the dumbest poster on this board.

Don't be afraid of an opinion that differs from your own, Barsema. It is easy to toss insults, more difficult to refute what you feel is flawed logic with your own rebuttal.

I would be curious as to why I should be encouraged about the future with a coach who can't beat a good team or win a bowl game. I am curious why I should be encouraged about a coach that has no experience at the major college level. I am always open to an interesting discussion if you could muster something more than a schoolboy taunt.

You're picking and choosing stats to fit your agenda and not providing a fair argument. It happens when you hate a guy.

Carey is not perfect. DUH. DOUBLE DUH. He hasn't won every game. But acting like he's an idiot choker is a really bad argument when you consider his entire tenure, not a few selected stats.

I don't hate Coach Carey. In fact, it's quite the contrary. I like that his players seem to respect him, he appears loyal to DeKalb, and I think he's fairly innovative in his play design.

I simply think he is too inexperienced to be the head coach at a University that has designs to be a national power as a mid-major.

He has not had the opportunity to work on the staff of a major conference college team or in the NFL. I think it's hasty to dismiss that as unimportant. The game moves at a different speed outside of the MAC and sub-division college football - what Coach Carey knows. Players are stronger, faster, and more athletic.

He has not learned from and been mentored by coaches who have spent careers working with elite athletes. Wisconsin-Stout, North Dakota, and directional Illinois teams. That is it.

This is not to say that man can't coach. He can design a game plan and beat the weak sisters of the MAC with his talent ridden NIU teams. What he can not do is prove victorious when his team is matched up against equal or superior talent.

I read a lot of comments that Marshall, well, "they were just a better team". Were they? A lot of people didn't have that opinion going into the game.

Is it possible Coach Carey and his staff did not have their team properly prepared to play against a faster team then what they had been seeing. Is it possible an experienced coach might have had some ideas how to counter the speed of Marshall and perhaps even exploit some of their weaknesses?

But look at all the games he's won so far! Yeah, I know. But not when it matters the most. Two conference championships, one loss. Three bowls, three losses. One mediocre SEC team, one blowout loss.

I believe NIU has reached the apex of what they can achieve under Coach Carey. They are limited to being only a good team in the MAC and nothing more. Once again, that is good enough for some fans and I respect that opinion.

I, however, would like to see more for the program. I would like to see more access bowls and possible upgrading in conference status.

If you feel that makes me a "moron" or an "idiot", feel free to join the chorus of Seven and his disciples and pepper me with insults.

I just don't think you're realistic. You're not going to get the top end proven coaches at NIU, ever. If you think the coach has anything to do with NIU "moving up," I think you're very mistaken.

NIU is always going to take chances on up and coming coaches....or have to settle for guys that flailed at bigger schools. That's how it is. NIU doesn't have the funds to be terribly picky with their coaches. Or move up to a bigger conference.

The argument is not whether there are better coaches than Carey...the argument is whether NIU can do better. Carey fits the profile of an NIU coach.

Quote:Let me clarify - I don't expect NIU to get a top end proven coach. Yes, I agree Biscuit, that would be unrealistic. What I would like to see is for NIU to find a coach who has experience working WITH proven, top end coaches.

Doeren fit that mold. Carey does not.

Quote:

EVERYONE wants NIU to end up in a P5 conference. I just think most people are living in a dream world where they think it's very likely. It's not. And Carey isn't going to help that or hurt that. NIU could have beaten Florida State and they'd still be in the MAC. It's a money thing, not a football success thing.

Whether people like it or not, winning the MAC and getting the occasional shot at a good big conference school might be the best NIU can do.

Quote:Well, I feel if we continue to lose high profile games, we all but completely extinguish any remote chance we might have had at making a jump to a more prestigious conference. And you're probably right, it might not matter at all.

That Marshall loss, however, definitely hurts when the panel begins to deliberate on who the Access team may be. If NIU puts itself into the position to be considered next season, that ugly loss certainly factors into the perception of the Huskies

It is difficult to challenge your program to continually improve, while managing expectations. The reality is, the level we have achieved over the last 5 years is about as good as it gets, and extremely difficult to improve upon. We could of/should of beat BGSU in the MACC last year; gone to a major bowl, and at best competed (it is far more likely that we would have been blown out). This year's team did is good as it could have done. Could we have played Arkansas better? Beat CMU? Beat Marshall? Maybe, but we could of just as easily lost to NU, UNLV, Miami, WMU, etc. Carey is not Doeren...and that illustrates the point. When you are fortunate enough to find a Doeren, and he experiences success like DD did, he is on to bigger, better programs with more $; playing in conferences who have more fans outside the stadium unable to get tickets, than we have paid customers inside the stadium. We are a mid major! At some point we just have to accept it, embrace it, and make the best of it...NIU is doing that as well as any other program in the country; I am pretty f...in proud of that.

There are a lot of bowl games. Too many to count. No one is going to remember that we lost the Rat Mouth Bowl to Marshall. Hell I can't even tell you would played in last year's Orange bowl. Don't be a psychopath.

So much stupidity. Everywhere.

The program has only gotten stronger under Carey. Once the program starts to falter - which it hasn't - then all you naysayers should start chirping.

And anyone who says "I played football so I know more about others" should hit themselves in the head with a hammer multiple times.

(12-27-2014 10:40 AM)HuskieRak Wrote:  So much stupidity. Everywhere.

The program has only gotten stronger under Carey. Once the program starts to falter - which it hasn't - then all you naysayers should start chirping.

And anyone who says "I played football so I know more about others" should hit themselves in the head with a hammer multiple times.

Playing football is kind of like doing that anyways. CTE anyone?

(12-27-2014 10:40 AM)HuskieRak Wrote:  So much stupidity. Everywhere.

The program has only gotten stronger under Carey. Once the program starts to falter - which it hasn't - then all you naysayers should start chirping.

And anyone who says "I played football so I know more about others" should hit themselves in the head with a hammer multiple times.

Has it gotten stronger? That remains to be seen. We'll get a better idea next year with more of Carey's recruits playing, and Hare with mostly a full year of starting under his belt so he can run the offense more efficiently.

Ideally, I'd like to be competitive with the top programs in G5, and continue to beat the bottom Big 14 teams and hopefully the middle-tier P5 too. If we can do that, I'm fine with being in the MAC, and I think it's unlikely we're going anywhere anyway.

I don't know if it was the O-line, or the playcalling, or the coaching, but we can't run several plays to get 1 yard and fail. That absolutely killed the momentum and gave it to Marshall. I don't even recall that happening that much when we had worse teams. Marshall had a great offense, fine. But their defense wasn't that great. They aren't Florida State, or even the Utah State defense we played.

What if it's not really the same old song and dance?

What if Carey is merely good, not great? Satisfied with being in and, raising his family in the area? Satisfied with competing for a MAC West title year in and year out?

Isn't that what many (myself included) have been barking about since Kill packed up the truck in the middle of the night?

That may preclude us from being the next Boise St but, for a team that IS a MAC team and WILL BE a MAC team for a long time, I like it. Becoming a legit BIG whatever program (& institution) is a journey that will take at least a decade and A LOT of $$$ and commitment. If, in the meantime, we can have some continuity and, not hop on the Coach carousel every 2-3 years, I like it.

(12-27-2014 10:04 AM)Big_Man Wrote:  There are a lot of bowl games. Too many to count. No one is going to remember that we lost the Rat Mouth Bowl to Marshall. Hell I can't even tell you would played in last year's Orange bowl. Don't be a psychopath.

We as NIU fans are going to remember and that's the only thing that matters, why does what other people think even matter?

In a couple years most people won't remember who even won the MAC in 2014, I guess that's meaningless too.

People around here love to downplay the meaning of bowl games after NIU loses. They are a big deal. The bowl game day threads are some of the most popular threads around here year in and out. There's real disappointment and excitement from the players who win or lose. Take a look at the post game interviews from any bowl game and tell me they don't matter. The Louisiana Tech QB was nearly in tears yesterday he was so happy. Getting to these games are sometimes the difference in keeping your job and getting fired for some coaches. Fans spend hundreds of dollars to go to these games. They matter.

This thread makes me wonder what everyone's expectations were coming into the season. I went looking for the thread but no luck. Oh well lol

I think this years team way over achieved. Like. 2-3 (4 even?) more wins than I expected. We lost to a really really good Marshall team in a rebuilding year. I think Carey is a reason that we were able to over achieve, honestly.

Win the MACC, compete in bowls. That's what I want. I don't want to be throttled like we were this year but if we can compete I will take it. I don't know if we're ready for that jump, but that is merely my two cents.

I'm really stoked to see Hare developed. He has a good head on his shoulders, so next year could be fun.

I understand the disappointment. We beat MAC teams and bad big10 teams, but can't beat anyone else. The talk of niu going to the big12 is a joke: lack of resources, facilities, travel costs, but the main problem is we wouldn't win a game. The tough part about the Power 5 leagues is playing top teams every week. As a Mac team there are only 2-3x per season we have to compete. The MAC is perfect for us.

Carey is now what 0-3 in bowl games.. I won't put the FSU loss on him(though the offensive game plan was terrible) but Utah St and Marshall were games we should have won

(12-27-2014 01:15 PM)cartershaw Wrote:  Carey is now what 0-3 in bowl games.. I won't put the FSU loss on him(though the offensive game plan was terrible) but Utah St and Marshall were games we should have won

You are not giving Marshall enough credit. And Utah State had a hell of a defense when NIU faced them. I don't think any were "gimme" games.

(12-27-2014 10:45 AM)Big_Man Wrote:  

(12-27-2014 10:40 AM)HuskieRak Wrote:  So much stupidity. Everywhere.

The program has only gotten stronger under Carey. Once the program starts to falter - which it hasn't - then all you naysayers should start chirping.

And anyone who says "I played football so I know more about others" should hit themselves in the head with a hammer multiple times.

Playing football is kind of like doing that anyways. CTE anyone?

Ha, beat me to it. A ton of the best coaches never played at the highest level.

(12-27-2014 11:31 AM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(12-27-2014 10:40 AM)HuskieRak Wrote:  So much stupidity. Everywhere.

The program has only gotten stronger under Carey. Once the program starts to falter - which it hasn't - then all you naysayers should start chirping.

And anyone who says "I played football so I know more about others" should hit themselves in the head with a hammer multiple times.

Has it gotten stronger? That remains to be seen. We'll get a better idea next year with more of Carey's recruits playing, and Hare with mostly a full year of starting under his belt so he can run the offense more efficiently.

Ideally, I'd like to be competitive with the top programs in G5, and continue to beat the bottom Big 14 teams and hopefully the middle-tier P5 too. If we can do that, I'm fine with being in the MAC, and I think it's unlikely we're going anywhere anyway.

I don't know if it was the O-line, or the playcalling, or the coaching, but we can't run several plays to get 1 yard and fail. That absolutely killed the momentum and gave it to Marshall. I don't even recall that happening that much when we had worse teams. Marshall had a great offense, fine. But their defense wasn't that great. They aren't Florida State, or even the Utah State defense we played.

NIU struggled on offense plenty of times this year.

(12-27-2014 01:06 PM)zdsmith Wrote:  This thread makes me wonder what everyone's expectations were coming into the season. I went looking for the thread but no luck. Oh well lol

I think this years team way over achieved. Like. 2-3 (4 even?) more wins than I expected. We lost to a really really good Marshall team in a rebuilding year. I think Carey is a reason that we were able to over achieve, honestly.

Win the MACC, compete in bowls. That's what I want. I don't want to be throttled like we were this year but if we can compete I will take it. I don't know if we're ready for that jump, but that is merely my two cents.

I'm really stoked to see Hare developed. He has a good head on his shoulders, so next year could be fun.

(12-27-2014 01:15 PM)cartershaw Wrote:  Carey is now what 0-3 in bowl games.. I won't put the FSU loss on him(though the offensive game plan was terrible) but Utah St and Marshall were games we should have won

We should have beaten Marshall? At one point we were a 11.5 point dog...Las Vegas would not agree with you. To beat Marshall, we had to play 4 quarters of very solid football; and even then, we needed a few breaks. We could of had a better showing, but to say we should have beaten Marshall is a stretch. We play them 5 times, we for sure lose 3 and likely lose 4. Again, what this team accomplished this season was amazing.

My expectations are to compete for and hopefully win a MAC title. Those expectations have been realized. I also expect a bowl win against teams we should beat. That expectation has not been realized. It's hard for some to accept that NIU, with all its wins year after year, is an average team outside the MAC.