(12-30-2014 10:21 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(12-30-2014 10:10 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(12-30-2014 08:12 AM)maximus Wrote:  Timmy Geithner blamed turbotax for his false tax returns. Why did he get the job and stay on the job?

Was he a felon? No. Was he an elected official? No.

So we have different ethical standards for elected officials and appointed cabinet members?

For the record, my position is that both should go.

Did I say that? The key difference is the felony conviction.

But I tend to agree with you.

Grimm (R-NY) Pleads Guilty to Felony-Resignation Imminent


Isn't this the same as race baiting, anyways? I guess without the political affiliation, this would be a non story. Much like adding black or white to a victim/suspect. Nothing against you, Tom, it's just funny how these things work.

(12-30-2014 10:30 AM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  Grimm (R-NY) Pleads Guilty to Felony-Resignation Imminent


Isn't this the same as race baiting, anyways? I guess without the political affiliation, this would be a non story. Much like adding black or white to a victim/suspect. Nothing against you, Tom, it's just funny how these things work.

No. Not even remotely. Your chosen and elected political designation has nothing to do with what race you were born into.

(12-30-2014 10:22 AM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  Big deal. Democrats never step down after similar events. At least this guy has the nuts to do so.

Google is a wonderful thing. Psst. You're wrong. Again.

Amid Ethics Inquiry, South Jersey Democrat Is Giving Up House Seat for a New Job

Illinois Rep. Jackson resigns from Congress

I thought Jackson only resigned after MASSIVE pressure from the non-leadership from the Democrats in session at the time and they used his "health" as the excuse for his resignation so he didn't have to admit the real reason for his stepping down. (Pelosi wasn't going to do a thing to him)

Another big name that I can think of is William Jefferson (D-LA). He won his re-election in '06 (a year after the first charges were filed), and then lost re-election in '08. So basically he ran TWICE without fear of reprisals.

Wikipeia list of convicted federal officials

Wikipedia list of convicted local/state officials

PS: Grimm should have been ousted from the election itself (i said so at the time), but for whatever reason the state of NY said it wasn't permitted.

(12-30-2014 10:33 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(12-30-2014 10:30 AM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  Grimm (R-NY) Pleads Guilty to Felony-Resignation Imminent


Isn't this the same as race baiting, anyways? I guess without the political affiliation, this would be a non story. Much like adding black or white to a victim/suspect. Nothing against you, Tom, it's just funny how these things work.

No. Not even remotely. Your chosen and elected political designation has nothing to do with what race you were born into.

Read it again. My response had absolutely nothing to do with political designation and born in race.

(12-30-2014 10:36 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(12-30-2014 10:22 AM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  Big deal. Democrats never step down after similar events. At least this guy has the nuts to do so.

Google is a wonderful thing. Psst. You're wrong. Again.

Amid Ethics Inquiry, South Jersey Democrat Is Giving Up House Seat for a New Job

Illinois Rep. Jackson resigns from Congress

Ok? Lol, you found one dem that gave up their seat for a new job and then you found Jackson Jr, who is currently in prison. Or was. So regardless, most democrats refuse to leave office.

(12-30-2014 12:16 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(12-30-2014 10:33 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(12-30-2014 10:30 AM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  Grimm (R-NY) Pleads Guilty to Felony-Resignation Imminent


Isn't this the same as race baiting, anyways? I guess without the political affiliation, this would be a non story. Much like adding black or white to a victim/suspect. Nothing against you, Tom, it's just funny how these things work.

No. Not even remotely. Your chosen and elected political designation has nothing to do with what race you were born into.

Read it again. My response had absolutely nothing to do with political designation and born in race.

I did. And I already answered...and the answer is still no.

I included his political affiliation for the sole purpose of pointing out the continual hypocrisy of you guys acting like only Democrats have these issues and that they never resign. A point you once again erroneously made in this very thread.

(12-30-2014 12:19 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(12-30-2014 10:36 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(12-30-2014 10:22 AM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  Big deal. Democrats never step down after similar events. At least this guy has the nuts to do so.

Google is a wonderful thing. Psst. You're wrong. Again.

Amid Ethics Inquiry, South Jersey Democrat Is Giving Up House Seat for a New Job

Illinois Rep. Jackson resigns from Congress

Ok? Lol, you found one dem that gave up their seat for a new job and then you found Jackson Jr, who is currently in prison. Or was. So regardless, most democrats refuse to leave office.

Yes...those are the only ones is history too.

(12-30-2014 12:19 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(12-30-2014 12:16 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(12-30-2014 10:33 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(12-30-2014 10:30 AM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  Grimm (R-NY) Pleads Guilty to Felony-Resignation Imminent


Isn't this the same as race baiting, anyways? I guess without the political affiliation, this would be a non story. Much like adding black or white to a victim/suspect. Nothing against you, Tom, it's just funny how these things work.

No. Not even remotely. Your chosen and elected political designation has nothing to do with what race you were born into.

Read it again. My response had absolutely nothing to do with political designation and born in race.

I did. And I already answered...and the answer is still no.

I included his political affiliation for the sole purpose of pointing out the continual hypocrisy of you guys acting like only Democrats have these issues and that they never resign. A point you once again erroneously made in this very thread.

That's what I JUST f*cking said! Without the political affiliation, this would be a non story! There was nothing erroneous about what I said, I threw it right in your face. And without adding white or black to a crime story, it's usually a non story too. A point that you once again completely missed because you over-analyzed what I said. Why should I even be surprised. I even said that it was nothing against you, it's just the way we are today.

bull****. History pal. Grimm would have been one of the only members of congress EVER with a felony conviction who remained. That's a story. Sorry.

(12-30-2014 12:20 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(12-30-2014 12:19 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(12-30-2014 10:36 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(12-30-2014 10:22 AM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  Big deal. Democrats never step down after similar events. At least this guy has the nuts to do so.

Google is a wonderful thing. Psst. You're wrong. Again.

Amid Ethics Inquiry, South Jersey Democrat Is Giving Up House Seat for a New Job

Illinois Rep. Jackson resigns from Congress

Ok? Lol, you found one dem that gave up their seat for a new job and then you found Jackson Jr, who is currently in prison. Or was. So regardless, most democrats refuse to leave office.

Yes...those are the only ones is history too.

For someone who has missed probably THE hardest point to miss in a story, you sure use that crazy emoticon a lot.

(12-30-2014 12:32 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  bull****. History pal. Grimm would have been one of the only members of congress EVER with a felony conviction who remained. That's a story. Sorry.

Good God, man.

Let's just leave it at that and pick this up tomorrow. You're not comprehending anything at all today.

Grimm is a scumbag.

So is Jessie Jackson Jr. and Thanks to Him, Obama got His seat to the U.S. Senate. That gave Him the Only access He had to get elected President. No One outside of Chicago would elect a Community Activist Ever ! Jesse JR stepped aside and had Obama run instead of Himself and became national Co Chairman for the Obama campaign.

(12-30-2014 01:56 PM)CardFan1 Wrote:  So is Jessie Jackson Jr. and Thanks to Him, Obama got His seat to the U.S. Senate. That gave Him the Only access He had to get elected President. No One outside of Chicago would elect a Community Activist Ever ! Jesse JR stepped aside and had Obama run instead of Himself and became national Co Chairman for the Obama campaign.

I think that's a bit of a stretch. There were only rumors and speculation that JJJ would run for Senate in 2004.

Rangel should be gone and Grimm should be gone. The sheer fact that neither of them speaks to the values of them and that part of the country.

(12-30-2014 06:06 PM)fsquid Wrote:  Rangel should be gone and Grimm should be gone. The sheer fact that neither of them speaks to the values of them and that part of the country.

Yes, absolutely.

(12-30-2014 06:06 PM)fsquid Wrote:  Rangel should be gone and Grimm should be gone. The sheer fact that neither of them speaks to the values of them and that part of the country.

Yep!

(12-30-2014 06:06 PM)fsquid Wrote:  Rangel should be gone and Grimm should be gone. The sheer fact that neither of them speaks to the values of them and that part of the country.

Wow. Everyone agrees. Me, too.