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Shawn Prevo
I just did some roster stalking and Shawn Prevo is no longer listed on the roster at etsubucs.com.
Anyone know if perhaps my vision is completely shot or perhaps he really isn't on the roster anymore?
12-23-2014 03:14 PM
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Yup he's gone. That's too bad. The kid had great talent, but school comes first at this level.
12-23-2014 04:02 PM
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Good to see that. The community needs to know that these young men are doing what they need to do in the classroom and that the coach has high expectations regardless of the talent level of the student athlete.
12-23-2014 04:24 PM
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Which means he will probably get to play at another university....
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(12-23-2014 04:39 PM)bucfan81 Wrote:  Which means he will probably get to play at another university....

Or somewhere that masquerades as a university...
12-23-2014 06:10 PM
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I heard College of Faith has been recruiting heavily ever since they told ETSU they had a football team.
12-23-2014 08:22 PM
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Who cares. We need student athletes.
12-23-2014 10:31 PM
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I wish all the schools had the attitude toward academics that we have!
12-23-2014 10:56 PM
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(12-23-2014 10:56 PM)bucfan81 Wrote:  I wish all the schools had the attitude toward academics that we have!

I'm old enough to have seen the radical evolution of college academics and athletics. There was a time when UNC-CH, for example, would have resulted in the shut down of football and basketball for several years, a complete house cleaning of the university administration, the closure of the academic department involved, and a complete restructuring of its athletic department in order to regain good standing in the ACC. And, the entire university would have taken an academic hit that would have taken years to erase. Today, all involved seem to be hoping upon hope that this thing just goes away. UNC-CH got caught, leaving one to ponder how pervasive this type situation really is across major college athletics. For years now schools have been offering funny sounding majors loaded with athletes that would have been laughed off their campuses in prior years.

Bottom line, will we see a larger separation in college athletics of the Power Five (semi-pro) programs from the other programs that still want to see their students earn legitimate degrees as most play out their four-year eligibility and will not have NBA or NFL futures?
12-24-2014 08:59 AM
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I don't see any place for the semi-pro's in college sports. If you leave the program early for the pros or otherwise fail to complete, it should be mandatory to repay the athletics scholarship. Plus a fine. The schools that perpetuate this disrespectful academic masquerade should pay the forfeited scholarship money into an NCAA pool to be redistributed to programs without violations. Let's make it easy, and put all of the above in a contract along with language prohibiting entering the pros until the degree is obtained or five years of college eligibility have passed, upon penalty of all described repayments and a fine. Stop hiring mules, majors.

These are just frustrated thoughts, but I am disgusted with the college exhibition that sports has become. All about the money, and that's as far as can be from the heart of modern academia in its establishment following the enlightenment.
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(12-24-2014 10:25 AM)shampoo Wrote:  I don't see any place for the semi-pro's in college sports. If you leave the program early for the pros or otherwise fail to complete, it should be mandatory to repay the athletics scholarship. Plus a fine. The schools that perpetuate this disrespectful academic masquerade should pay the forfeited scholarship money into an NCAA pool to be redistributed to programs without violations. Let's make it easy, and put all of the above in a contract along with language prohibiting entering the pros until the degree is obtained or five years of college eligibility have passed, upon penalty of all described repayments and a fine. Stop hiring mules, majors.

These are just frustrated thoughts, but I am disgusted with the college exhibition that sports has become. All about the money, and that's as far as can be from the heart of modern academia in its establishment following the enlightenment.
This is what SHOULD be happening but unfortunately it is going in the opposite direction with the bigs writing their own ticket with no control from the NCAA. It does leave the scores of other schools(like us) to maybe unite and for their own collegiate division that is really about college student athletes.
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(12-24-2014 10:25 AM)shampoo Wrote:  I don't see any place for the semi-pro's in college sports. If you leave the program early for the pros or otherwise fail to complete, it should be mandatory to repay the athletics scholarship. Plus a fine. The schools that perpetuate this disrespectful academic masquerade should pay the forfeited scholarship money into an NCAA pool to be redistributed to programs without violations. Let's make it easy, and put all of the above in a contract along with language prohibiting entering the pros until the degree is obtained or five years of college eligibility have passed, upon penalty of all described repayments and a fine. Stop hiring mules, majors.

These are just frustrated thoughts, but I am disgusted with the college exhibition that sports has become. All about the money, and that's as far as can be from the heart of modern academia in its establishment following the enlightenment.

Outside of the Big 10 (assuming it has started) a scholarship is a 1 year obligation on the part of the school. I don't see it is fair to hold the students to higher standard. If a kid doesn't work out at a school they are often "encouraged" to leave, it has happened here at ETSU. If they don't take the hint scholarships have been pulled. As long as schools can take it away after 1 year I see NOTHING wrong with the kids turning the tables and walking away.
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Certain programs require repayment of scholarships if other requirements are not meant, especially good standing and completion of the program. For the chosen ones that go pro, attending school for sports is akin to a medical program, for example; they go expecting to make big money professionally. Except, in most cases the med student takes exorbitant loans and either pays them off the old fashion way, or finds an employer that will reimburse school under a contract. If med students, lawyers, and other professionals that contribute to society, by profession, are regularly expected to finance and pay for their own education, however it's done, I think we can ethically ask professional athletes that have no interest in college to pay for their much lesser tuition and fees should they not even complete their program. I, of course, would not advocate a ruthless policy anywhere that sets many of the underprivileged background individuals to take on massive debts. I would also, more systematically, like that the NCAA negatively reinforce institutions that promote one and dones; if they want those kids knowing full well they will go pro early, it should be written in that the scholarship is reserved to the single stated player four years time, barring student's failure to maintain good standing, and should he/she go pro during the period, the scholarship must be paid into the NCAA for the remainder period, and should be restricted from use until after that time. Anyone that goes pro should be required to repay the scholarship, period. SCHOLARSHIP not JUMP SHIP.
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So how much money has Kentucky made off those one and done players? Both parties know what they are getting and both think the pros outweigh the cons, if not those programs don't recruit those players. Silly argument. Players are forced by a stupid NBA rule to play a year of college ball, the colleges take the player, sell tickets and compete for national championships. If the colleges started trying to enforce such rules I am sure the fact they are only committing to the player for one year at a time will be brought up and those kids will go to Europe for a year and college basketball will suffer, attendance, TV ratings, NCAA tournament ratings etc. NOT going to happen. Not sure why our fans are getting so worked up about, we could only dream about ever getting a one and done player.
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The NBA should have baseball's rule. You can turn pro at 18, but if you choose college then you're in for three years.

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(12-26-2014 10:34 AM)Buccaneerlover Wrote:  The NBA should have baseball's rule. You can turn pro at 18, but if you choose college then you're in for three years.

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Baseball, basketball and football (even Hockey) are all different games there is no one size fits all rule. Baseball has a farm system, a kid can come out of high school and go pro and advance and learn he goes though the system. 99.99999% of kids who go "pro" in baseball spend a few years developing in the minors not jump straight into the pros.
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Simple response to RodShaw is colleges should, in the same act or series of steps, commit four years to players. If they are injured or cannot play for defined reasons, they still keep the four year scholarship with good standing and academic progress. The pros will force kids into school, the schools should honor their mission to complete students' educations with all reasonable support, and the defectors who don't want school - but perhaps need the polishing most of all to manage serious pro careers and the implications - will at least have been put in thr necessary environment for personal development. If you can't handle gen ed and a bunny degree, the thought of you handling thousands to millions of dollars and undue celebrity privilege unnerves ne just a little.

None of this will happen, certainly not any time soon, but at the very least four year schools need to find a way to enforce at minimum a two year certificate or associate's level requirement for athletes. College sports at the top is a dirty bed fellow with major schools; they are not furthering the ACADEMIC mission.
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Like I said the simple truth is if the schools try and put to many restrictions the kids will revolt and simply bypass them all together. Some programs have taken the high road, some haven't. Those kids only interested in playing basketball will go to Europe for a year or two and come back to the NBA. The trickle down will be with star players off the board Big schools will recruit down, which will force the next level to recruit down etc until ETSU is fielding a team made up of guys who should have been at Milligan and King (if we can afford to keep a program at all). College basketball will suffer money will be lost and the Big schools are not going to let that happen. Will kids who don't have a chance get bad advice and try and go pro? yeah, Will they fail? yeah. Will some make and lose millions of dollars? yeah. That is life, you can only help those who want help, you can't force it on them, you can't make a kid mature into a responsible adult. Not saying anything is right or wrong just saying what is.
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It would work for all. Develop the D-league and the problem is solved. Football has the rule because there's no way an 18 year old kid still developing physically should be on a field with fully grown men in a collision based sport.
Hockey is similar to baseball but has a lot more international issues in it than any other. Plus, outside of UA-Huntsville, what college below the Mason-Dixon line sponsors college hockey?

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(12-26-2014 10:34 AM)Buccaneerlover Wrote:  The NBA should have baseball's rule. You can turn pro at 18, but if you choose college then you're in for three years.

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Baseball, basketball and football (even Hockey) are all different games there is no one size fits all rule. Baseball has a farm system, a kid can come out of high school and go pro and advance and learn he goes though the system. 99.99999% of kids who go "pro" in baseball spend a few years developing in the minors not jump straight into the pros.
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The D League model has pretty much been shown to be a bust. You are right about Football but kids are ready in a lot cases right out of high school to play basketball. The best player in the league right now never played in college and the guy he supplanted didn't either. More likely this kids would end up in Europe and I could see some of the owners of the top basketball teams in Europe deciding to create a league of their own, Basketball is a big sport in Europe, if those owners didn't have the money I am sure the owners of soccer clubs might be interested in another revenue stream. Bring the young guys over playing right out of high school make a splash luring a big name or two away from the NBA and Boom instant league. The people who stand to lose money, the Schools, the NCAA, the Networks and the NBA aren't going to keep to rocking the boat.
Not sure where all the outrage is coming from, the kid and school basically signed a 1 year contract, both sides keep their end up and shake hands and call it a day.

Most kids drafted to play baseball know they will never make it the big leagues but decide they love the game enough they want to keep playing it as long as they can. Basketball players as a whole seem to have a different mentality, they think are good enough to play and they want to play NOW, not go to Charlotte or Dayton and ride a bus for a year or two (or longer) and fans don't seem to have much of interest watching that either. There are forty rounds in a baseball draft, two in the basketball.
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