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Can someone look up bylaws and see what the procedure is? I had someone tell me today that he has heard rumblings that if the faculty is really divided he could see them agreeing to postpone vote for further consideration. He mentioned that many on medical side have always been for whatever is best for them (but he is hearing several speak out for football). He can see a scenario if there is a clear divide and no super majority, the senate could postpone it.

I think we need to keep the pressure on professors to pass the no confidence vote in January. Continue to email and write letters to current and former professors to keep this issue fresh on their minds and let them know current students, alumni and donors want both of these resolutions to pass in January.

He did feel like the support was there to pass the athletics resolution.

If we can put pressure on Watts with the no confidence vote, maybe Watts will either (1) resign, take money and sign NDA or (2) reinstate football. I think 2 is unlikely, but 1 needs to happen quickly if we want to save football in the short term.

Agree on keeping in contact with the senators. Keep emphasizing the governance and trust issues. The fact is the subsidy for 2013 was <1% of UAB revenues and we just killed the best revenue producing sport. So if Watts' assertion that the overall athletic budget will stay level the subsidy will have to be increased.

I'll have more in a day or two, but for now:

No Confidence turns on the behavior of Ray Watts, which is egregious and inexcusable. That's not just rhetoric, it's pretty much undeniable.

This phase of the Senate action is where Senators receive feedback from the faculty they represent, and are bound to reflect that in their vote.

Any Senator who voted with Watts in the first round is unlikely to be moved by his/her moral obligation to reflect constituent wishes - they've already signed on to giving the rules of conduct, both written and unwritten, a big fat middle finger.

Those opposed to Watts, however, are mostly honor-bound. That's why they oppose Watts. But yes, we could see Senators still violently opposed to Ray Watts and in personal favor of his public disembowelment nevertheless voting against No Confidence, because they feel their faculty wishes it so. This is always a weakness of the Position of Honor, no matter what the situation. And frankly, win or lose I would rather live in that world than in one where Ray Watts is the standard of "leadership."

This is why the Ada Long letter is the most powerful document seen so far in this entire tragedy.

(12-22-2014 09:44 AM)58-56 Wrote:  I'll have more in a day or two, but for now:

No Confidence turns on the behavior of Ray Watts, which is egregious and inexcusable. That's not just rhetoric, it's pretty much undeniable.

This phase of the Senate action is where Senators receive feedback from the faculty they represent, and are bound to reflect that in their vote.

Any Senator who voted with Watts in the first round is unlikely to be moved by his/her moral obligation to reflect constituent wishes - they've already signed on to giving the rules of conduct, both written and unwritten, a big fat middle finger.

Those opposed to Watts, however, are mostly honor-bound. That's why they oppose Watts. But yes, we could see Senators still violently opposed to Ray Watts and in personal favor of his public disembowelment nevertheless voting against No Confidence, because they feel their faculty wishes it so. This is always a weakness of the Position of Honor, no matter what the situation. And frankly, win or lose I would rather live in that world than in one where Ray Watts is the standard of "leadership."

This is why the Ada Long letter is the most powerful document seen so far in this entire tragedy.

+1

I am hearing it is much more against Watts and the divide is bigger in favor of voting no confidence.

I want to show our faculty that the football team generated more money than is being reported. Can someone provide me with an article/information that I can forward to our faculty senators? There is going to be a meeting at our school prior the faculty senate vote to discuss the issues.

(12-22-2014 10:37 AM)UAB14 Wrote:  I want to show our faculty that the football team generated more money than is being reported. Can someone provide me with an article/information that I can forward to our faculty senators? There is going to be a meeting at our school prior the faculty senate vote to discuss the issues.

They are some posters who attacked the methodology of future revenue projections. however the athletic department deficit/financial statements have been audited, certified to the federal education authorities and the NCAA. If we try to attack based on finances we will lose - the faculty would rather have the approximate twenty million spent on their selfish needs - that's human nature and general indifference to athletics on most faculty members.

The best attack is on shared governance because the faculty do resent being cut out of decision making now and in the future - big faculty issue. Second that Watts will be biased against the undergraduate in favor of a school of medicine should also help. The other is the same thing that got Queen Anne - his arrogance is not appreciated by the faculty egos

(12-22-2014 11:51 AM)uabbean Wrote:  

(12-22-2014 10:37 AM)UAB14 Wrote:  I want to show our faculty that the football team generated more money than is being reported. Can someone provide me with an article/information that I can forward to our faculty senators? There is going to be a meeting at our school prior the faculty senate vote to discuss the issues.

They are some posters who attacked the methodology of future revenue projections. however the athletic department deficit/financial statements have been audited, certified to the federal education authorities and the NCAA. If we try to attack based on finances we will lose - the faculty would rather have the approximate twenty million spent on their selfish needs - that's human nature and general indifference to athletics on most faculty members.

The best attack is on shared governance because the faculty do resent being cut out of decision making now and in the future - big faculty issue. Second that Watts will be biased against the undergraduate in favor of a school of medicine should also help. The other is the same thing that got Queen Anne - his arrogance is not appreciated by the faculty egos

Strongly agree. Watts is digging himself deeper and deeper over shared governance, with his promises for the future coupled with refusal to revisit the past (and not just football). As my assistant put it this morning, "So if I shoot my ex, but promise not to kill anyone else in the future, it's all good?"

A leader keeps his or her word, even when it's inconvenient or painful to do so. Ray Watts broke his word (worse than that, his oath). That's where we will defeat him.

(12-22-2014 02:22 PM)58-56 Wrote:  

(12-22-2014 11:51 AM)uabbean Wrote:  

(12-22-2014 10:37 AM)UAB14 Wrote:  I want to show our faculty that the football team generated more money than is being reported. Can someone provide me with an article/information that I can forward to our faculty senators? There is going to be a meeting at our school prior the faculty senate vote to discuss the issues.

They are some posters who attacked the methodology of future revenue projections. however the athletic department deficit/financial statements have been audited, certified to the federal education authorities and the NCAA. If we try to attack based on finances we will lose - the faculty would rather have the approximate twenty million spent on their selfish needs - that's human nature and general indifference to athletics on most faculty members.

The best attack is on shared governance because the faculty do resent being cut out of decision making now and in the future - big faculty issue. Second that Watts will be biased against the undergraduate in favor of a school of medicine should also help. The other is the same thing that got Queen Anne - his arrogance is not appreciated by the faculty egos

Strongly agree. Watts is digging himself deeper and deeper over shared governance, with his promises for the future coupled with refusal to revisit the past (and not just football). As my assistant put it this morning, "So if I shoot my ex, but promise not to kill anyone else in the future, it's all good?"

A leader keeps his or her word, even when it's inconvenient or painful to do so. Ray Watts broke his word (worse than that, his oath). That's where we will defeat him.

Agreed