(12-19-2014 11:14 PM)justinslot Wrote:  

(12-19-2014 09:58 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(12-19-2014 07:47 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(12-19-2014 07:18 PM)Wedge Wrote:  Message seems to be that they know they won't get a champ game for 10 teams, but will ask for a rule change just so they can argue they tried to get it.

That's been the case all along. The same can be said for the ACC which has had internal issues for quite some time concerning the make up of their divisions.

It doesn't take a genius though to do the math in order to figure out that they don't have a very good chance at achieving such a rule change.

Our divisions are just about perfect.

In the sense that nobody can ever remember who's in what division--perfect incomprehensibility is a kind of perfection.

(Big East teams plus UVA in one division. Easy peasey.)

I have often wondered if the ACC should just have non-permanent rotating divisions. Since nobody can keep the divisions straight, why have permanent divisions.

1 one to do this to just have a random lineup each year.

Another is to have 2 different setups that rotate in even and odd years. You could even call them that even north, odd north, even south, odd south.

Even north
BC, SRY, Pitt, VT, Va, UNC, Duke

Even south
Miami, FSU, GT, Clemson, Louisville, NCSU, Wake

Odd North
BC, SYR, Pitt, VT, Va, NCSU, Wake

Odd South
Miami, FSU, GT, Clemson, Lou, UNC, Duke

These really are not the type of articles I expect to see if the Big 12 is expanding. If they were planning on it, I'd expect "We are happy at 10 and do not need to expand, but we are monitoring things closely." I would not however expect for them to go list all the advantages of being at 10 and to go into big discussions about co-champs vs. declaring one champ with a tie-breaker as we've seen in articles. That is a big differentiating line to me. If you haven't announced/quite decided, you have to give lip service to not expanding, but you don't get into conversations involving lots of details of a future where you stay at 10. I'm still somewhat on the fence, but I'm leaning more and more to expansion is not being considered right now.

I don't really get the need to go east since everybody is flying. I guess if you brought in cincy, wvu might bus but nobody else will bus to cincy. The bigger need is to have airport access, so that could hurt boise. Also, don't see what the problem with byu as football only is since they bring a lot to the football table, more than anybody else. Seems pretty easy to just invite cincy and byu as a football only to get to 12

OU, OSU, KU, KSU, ISU, BYU

Texas, TTECH, TCU, BAY, WVU, Cincy

(12-20-2014 10:38 AM)bluesox Wrote:  I don't really get the need to go east since everybody is flying. I guess if you brought in cincy, wvu might bus but nobody else will bus to cincy. The bigger need is to have airport access, so that could hurt boise. Also, don't see what the problem with byu as football only is since they bring a lot to the football table, more than anybody else. Seems pretty easy to just invite cincy and byu as a football only to get to 12

OU, OSU, KU, KSU, ISU, BYU

Texas, TTECH, TCU, BAY, WVU, Cincy

Havn't been paying attention huh? Flying isn't teleportation. It still takes time. You also need to be aware of how changing time zones can affect you.

If you come from the Central time zone and you are playing in the Pacific time zone, you automatically lose two hours during the flight home. That isn't even taking into account the time of the flight itself. That can have some serious negative affects upon the student athletes the next day. Not all college sports play on Saturday. That isn't even the case for football anymore.

Also, it really isn't as easy as you say it is. It's just easy to say that it is easy.

I'm projecting having sex with the hottest woman in America in the unspecified future. That means I'm actually doing way better than all of you who are just actively having sex with hot women right now!

(12-20-2014 11:56 AM)10thMountain Wrote:  I'm projecting having sex with the hottest woman in America in the unspecified future. That means I'm actually doing way better than all of you who are just actively having sex with hot women right now!

You've been in that mode your whole life, haven't you?

(12-20-2014 11:51 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(12-20-2014 10:38 AM)bluesox Wrote:  I don't really get the need to go east since everybody is flying. I guess if you brought in cincy, wvu might bus but nobody else will bus to cincy. The bigger need is to have airport access, so that could hurt boise. Also, don't see what the problem with byu as football only is since they bring a lot to the football table, more than anybody else. Seems pretty easy to just invite cincy and byu as a football only to get to 12

OU, OSU, KU, KSU, ISU, BYU

Texas, TTECH, TCU, BAY, WVU, Cincy

Havn't been paying attention huh? Flying isn't teleportation. It still takes time. You also need to be aware of how changing time zones can affect you.

If you come from the Central time zone and you are playing in the Pacific time zone, you automatically lose two hours during the flight home. That isn't even taking into account the time of the flight itself. That can have some serious negative affects upon the student athletes the next day. Not all college sports play on Saturday. That isn't even the case for football anymore.

Also, it really isn't as easy as you say it is. It's just easy to say that it is easy.

They really don't want student-athletes to come in at 3 in the morning and have to go to class. They aren't totally oblivious to the "student" part of the equation.

(12-20-2014 10:33 AM)ohio1317 Wrote:  These really are not the type of articles I expect to see if the Big 12 is expanding. If they were planning on it, I'd expect "We are happy at 10 and do not need to expand, but we are monitoring things closely." I would not however expect for them to go list all the advantages of being at 10 and to go into big discussions about co-champs vs. declaring one champ with a tie-breaker as we've seen in articles. That is a big differentiating line to me. If you haven't announced/quite decided, you have to give lip service to not expanding, but you don't get into conversations involving lots of details of a future where you stay at 10. I'm still somewhat on the fence, but I'm leaning more and more to expansion is not being considered right now.

Let's follow the talking points:
"We won't add teams that don't add revenue." Well B.Y.U. could.
"We aren't looking West to expand." Nix the Cougars.
"We would like to stay profitable at 10 teams." Loose translation is that our footprint can't be significantly enhanced with those who are available now. So we'll hold our own where we are.
"We will petition the NCAA to permit a CCG with 10 teams." The answer has been no already, and thanks to other interested parties will likely remain no. But this is good busy work until action does have to be taken.
"We will look East." But we've already established that there are no teams to the East that add value who are not currently in a P5 conference.

So if you add up all of the talking points it boils down to what it has been since 4 quality programs left the Big 12. "Let's wait and see if the Big 10 raids the ACC and the SEC makes a move as well. Then we will have schools to the East that add value: Clemson, Florida State, Georgia Tech, N.C. State, Louisville, and Pittsburgh/ Notre Dame."

And if the ACC remains solid, "Well we sure kept them fooled until we figured out our options didn't we." Riiiiiiiiggggggghhhhhhttttt!

In the end it is all time filler until Texas and Oklahoma can figure out what their best move is, and it is intended to make it look like there are many options when there are only two. But making it look like there are options might be construed as leverage talking points for little brothers needing a home.

We will head toward a P4 sooner or later and the question has always been the same, "Who goes, the Big 12 or ACC?" And figuring that out is like the two guys in the woods that were confronted by the hungry Grizzly. One guy says, "We can't out run that bear." The other guy says, "I don't have to. All I have to do is out run you." Well right now the ACC looks a lot faster.

(12-20-2014 01:02 PM)JRsec Wrote:  In the end it is all time filler until Texas and Oklahoma can figure out what their best move is, and it is intended to make it look like there are many options when there are only two. But making it look like there are options might be construed as leverage talking points for little brothers needing a home.

We will head toward a P4 sooner or later and the question has always been the same, "Who goes, the Big 12 or ACC?" And figuring that out is like the two guys in the woods that were confronted by the hungry Grizzly. One guy says, "We can't out run that bear." The other guy says, "I don't have to. All I have to do is out run you." Well right now the ACC looks a lot faster.

The ACC is in a better position, but not because they have 14 football teams. They're more stable because the ACC teams most likely to want the SEC are unlikely to be wanted by the SEC, while the teams most likely to be wanted by the SEC are more likely to prefer the ACC as long as it's viable. UT, OU, and KU, on the other hand, see the current Big 12 as a good house to rent for now and not a permanent home. The Big 12 can't change that by having 12 or 14 or 16 teams instead of 10.

The truth of the matter is that University of Texas has decisively ended the "expansion" discussion in the B12. The discussion got squirrelly and UT finally put their foot down. There is no way that they will be in a football conference with Cincinnati and/or Memphis and there are no other suitable candidates out there.

Bowlsby is being absolutely and flatly honest. Expansion with these candidates will NOT happen today...next year...ten years from now... It is not happening.

(12-20-2014 03:41 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  The truth of the matter is that University of Texas has decisively ended the "expansion" discussion in the B12. The discussion got squirrelly and UT finally put their foot down. There is no way that they will be in a football conference with Cincinnati and/or Memphis and there are no other suitable candidates out there.

Bowlsby is being absolutely and flatly honest. Expansion with these candidates will NOT happen today...next year...ten years from now... It is not happening.

Pretty much nailed it.

(12-19-2014 09:58 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(12-19-2014 07:47 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(12-19-2014 07:18 PM)Wedge Wrote:  Message seems to be that they know they won't get a champ game for 10 teams, but will ask for a rule change just so they can argue they tried to get it.

That's been the case all along. The same can be said for the ACC which has had internal issues for quite some time concerning the make up of their divisions.

It doesn't take a genius though to do the math in order to figure out that they don't have a very good chance at achieving such a rule change.

Our divisions are just about perfect.

Seems to be the attitude of most of the fans in the Coastal Division. Hmmm...I wonder why?

Cheers,
Neil

(12-20-2014 04:49 PM)OldGoldnBlue Wrote:  

(12-20-2014 03:41 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  The truth of the matter is that University of Texas has decisively ended the "expansion" discussion in the B12. The discussion got squirrelly and UT finally put their foot down. There is no way that they will be in a football conference with Cincinnati and/or Memphis and there are no other suitable candidates out there.

Bowlsby is being absolutely and flatly honest. Expansion with these candidates will NOT happen today...next year...ten years from now... It is not happening.

Pretty much nailed it.

But they would be in a conference with West Virginia. That makes no sense. I mean come on. Your academics stink. You are in the middle of nowhere.

(12-20-2014 05:17 PM)rosewater Wrote:  

(12-20-2014 04:49 PM)OldGoldnBlue Wrote:  

(12-20-2014 03:41 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  The truth of the matter is that University of Texas has decisively ended the "expansion" discussion in the B12. The discussion got squirrelly and UT finally put their foot down. There is no way that they will be in a football conference with Cincinnati and/or Memphis and there are no other suitable candidates out there.

Bowlsby is being absolutely and flatly honest. Expansion with these candidates will NOT happen today...next year...ten years from now... It is not happening.

Pretty much nailed it.

But they would be in a conference with West Virginia. That makes no sense. I mean come on. Your academics stink. You are in the middle of nowhere.

WVU is 45 min away from Pittsburgh, 3 1/2 hrs from DC and Baltimore and 4 and 1/2 from Cincy. It's hardly the middle of nowhere. We do well in all of those tv markets.

And I mean no offense but as a football program WVU is leaps and bounds ahead of UC when it comes to national perception and program history.

No offense, but remind me how far away is the nearest airport? Leaps and bounds? uh huh

(12-20-2014 05:49 PM)rosewater Wrote:  No offense, but remind me how far away is the nearest airport? Leaps and bounds? uh huh

Don't be bitter and just accept that you are stuck in the AAC with us. If Cincy was as desirable as WVU they would have been taken back in 2012 when the Big 12 needed a team. Move on.

(12-20-2014 05:49 PM)rosewater Wrote:  No offense, but remind me how far away is the nearest airport? Leaps and bounds? uh huh

Morgantown has an airport. Clarksburg/Bridgeport is 20 min away has an airport that Big 12 teams fly into. Here is a link for you.

Airport.

Yes, leaps and bounds. WVU is 14th in all time football wins, UC is somewhere in the 50's I believe.

(12-20-2014 12:18 PM)bullet Wrote:  They really don't want student-athletes to come in at 3 in the morning and have to go to class. They aren't totally oblivious to the "student" part of the equation.

And even the ones that are fairly strongly oblivious to the "student" part of the equation don't expect that the students will coming home at 3 in the morning on a regular basis during the season and still be as sharp for daytime practices.

(12-20-2014 01:02 PM)JRsec Wrote:  In the end it is all time filler until Texas and Oklahoma can figure out what their best move is, and it is intended to make it look like there are many options when there are only two. But making it look like there are options might be construed as leverage talking points for little brothers needing a home.

This. There is nobody on offer that would ensure that Texas and Oklahoma will never want to leave, and that would be the secret recipe of herbs and spices that would get the other eight really excited about an expansion prospect.

And the question of whether not having a CCG keeps the Big12 champion from the CFP is only academic for Texas and Oklahoma at this point, and just one run through the CFP is too few observations to be confident that its a trend. So the Big12 is in reality still in the position they were before the CFP selection ... wait for 4-6 years and then look around to see whether any of the opportunities that were not good enough mid-decade have improved in the meantime.

(12-20-2014 05:25 PM)OldGoldnBlue Wrote:  

(12-20-2014 05:17 PM)rosewater Wrote:  

(12-20-2014 04:49 PM)OldGoldnBlue Wrote:  

(12-20-2014 03:41 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  The truth of the matter is that University of Texas has decisively ended the "expansion" discussion in the B12. The discussion got squirrelly and UT finally put their foot down. There is no way that they will be in a football conference with Cincinnati and/or Memphis and there are no other suitable candidates out there.

Bowlsby is being absolutely and flatly honest. Expansion with these candidates will NOT happen today...next year...ten years from now... It is not happening.

Pretty much nailed it.

But they would be in a conference with West Virginia. That makes no sense. I mean come on. Your academics stink. You are in the middle of nowhere.

WVU is 45 min away from Pittsburgh, 3 1/2 hrs from DC and Baltimore and 4 and 1/2 from Cincy. It's hardly the middle of nowhere. We do well in all of those tv markets.

And I mean no offense but as a football program WVU is leaps and bounds ahead of UC when it comes to national perception and program history.

And WVU is the main state university. Cincinnati and Memphis aren't and that is also a factor.

(12-21-2014 02:26 AM)BamaScorpio69 Wrote:  And WVU is the main state university. Cincinnati and Memphis aren't and that is also a factor.

At least UC is second in its state and contests for dominance in its part of the state (and it helps that it borders on SEC country exactly where SEC football is the weakest). People talk up UCF, because of its 60K campus, but its 4th in the state and it has work to do before it is contesting for dominance across Central Florida.

The way that identity in Tennessee splits up three ways, it would be possible for Memphis to build up a position in Western Tennessee in FB similar to its position in BBall ... but it hasn't done it yet, and in its own region its fighting for FB status against UTK and Ole Miss.