(12-17-2014 04:11 PM)EvilVodka Wrote:  Lost in all of this are two simple facts....

1) the money on these championship games will only go up as they become de facto playoff games

2) the Big XII is at a distinct disadvantage in terms of how they are perceived, and for not having a championship game

Every year, with the committee deciding playoff teams, you're going to see teams winning a championship game looked at more favorably

Bowlsby is giving a line of crap....whether he actually believes his own garbage isn't known. College football is changing dramatically....you have to be onboard, or you'll get left behind.

But its not changing so dramatically that the Big12 will be floundering in five years time if they fail to make the CFP some three or four times in that period. And the schools that the Big12 will have available in five years time are pretty much the same as the ones they have available now, except in the intervening period some may have floundered badly and some may have made a more substantial case for entry.

(12-17-2014 03:21 PM)uccheese Wrote:  

(12-17-2014 12:56 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  Let's be completely honest here.

Bowlsby and EVERYONE ELSE WHO CAN SPEAK OFFICIALLY FOR THE BIG XII have been completely consistent and unambiguous:
THE BIG XII IS NOT EXPANDING.

Every so often, someone OUTSIDE the Big XII throws a rumor into the air, and we run around like a bunch of chickens. But the simple fact is that there is NO...not one single iota of proof...to indicate that the Big XII is interested in expanding.

Get over it.
Get on with life already.
Done.

Has been true of every conference until they decided to acknowledge they were expanding. It's no lock that they will expand, but the "deny deny deny deny deny deny deny .... ok fine we're expanding" routine fits exactly with normal realignment.

A little different now with the major conferences having the gor. It is going to be very difficult to have major alignment inside the p5 so the fear level dropped. As it gets closer to the big 12 tv contract expiration we will see if that changes. I don't see anything happening for years to come.

If you had to pick the winners and losers in the last round of realignment (2009-2015), i would rank them in this order

1. SEC,
added 2 teams from power conferences. No teams lost. Already had a CCG. Bowl lineup includes 2 contract CFP bowls

2. BigTen
Added 1 home run pick in Nebraska and 2 other Power conference teams. Added 3 teams total from 3 different power conferences. Added a CCG. No teams lost. Bowl lineup includes 2 contract CFP bowls.

3. PAC
Added 2 teams from power conferences, added a CCG. No teams lost. 1 contract CFP bowl tie-in.


4. ACC
Added 1 home run pick with Notre Dame, but not a full addition. Added 2 other teams from power conferences. Lost 1 team to another power conference. Already had a CCG. 1 contract CFP bowl tie-in.

5. Big 12
Added 2 teams from a power 5 conference that was falling apart. Lost 4 teams to other power conferences. Lost its CCG. 1 contract bowl CFP tie-in

6. MWC
Lost 3 teams to power conferences or independence. Almost lost 2 more, but got them back. Added 6 teams from WAC. Added a CCG. Part of G5 CFP bowl tie-in

7. Big East / AAC
Lost 6 teams to power conferences. Tried to poach the MWC and ultimately failed. Lost its power conference status. Now part of G5. Added 9 teams from other G5 conferences or independence.

8. MAC
Lost Temple, then added UMass, then loss UMass. Still has a CCG. Pretty much a wash while other conferences moved up or down.

9. C-USA
loss 7 teams to AAC. Added 9 teams from sunbelt, wac and FCS. Loss UAB football. Kept CCG.

10. SBC
Loss 5 teams to C-usa. Added teams from WAC and FCS. Still have no CCG. Now considered the bottom G5 conference.

11. WAC
Loss 6 teams to MWC. Loss 2 to CUSA. Rest to SBC. No longer sponsors football.

(12-17-2014 09:14 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(12-17-2014 08:09 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  Somebody put that base way out in left field.

Have you heard anything in regards to Oliver Luck becoming the new #2 in the NCAA?

Yes. I have.

(12-20-2014 08:33 AM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  

(12-17-2014 03:21 PM)uccheese Wrote:  

(12-17-2014 12:56 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  Let's be completely honest here.

Bowlsby and EVERYONE ELSE WHO CAN SPEAK OFFICIALLY FOR THE BIG XII have been completely consistent and unambiguous:
THE BIG XII IS NOT EXPANDING.

Every so often, someone OUTSIDE the Big XII throws a rumor into the air, and we run around like a bunch of chickens. But the simple fact is that there is NO...not one single iota of proof...to indicate that the Big XII is interested in expanding.

Get over it.
Get on with life already.
Done.

Has been true of every conference until they decided to acknowledge they were expanding. It's no lock that they will expand, but the "deny deny deny deny deny deny deny .... ok fine we're expanding" routine fits exactly with normal realignment.

A little different now with the major conferences having the gor. It is going to be very difficult to have major alignment inside the p5 so the fear level dropped. As it gets closer to the big 12 tv contract expiration we will see if that changes. I don't see anything happening for years to come.

Sure. There are lots of reasons to believe they won't expand. One of them is not them saying they won't expand.

THE BIG XII WILL BE EXPANDING. Memphis and Cincinnati will join. Otherwise the Big XII will follow the path of Big East.

(12-17-2014 03:01 PM)Frog in the Kitchen Sink Wrote:  

(12-17-2014 12:14 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(12-17-2014 11:03 AM)Frog in the Kitchen Sink Wrote:  Does any league currently use some sort of tie-breaker cascade to crown only one team the regular season champ in basketball currently? I think they all crown co-champs currently.

That's not applicable, because conferences have chosen to make their basketball regular season titles meaningless by giving the NCAA tournament autobid to the conference tournament winner. When conferences didn't have conference basketball tournaments, they used a tiebreaker to determine who got the NCAA tournament autobid as the conference champ.

The Ivy League still doesn't have a conference tournament in basketball. If two teams finish Ivy conference play at 12-2, do both of them get NCAA tournament autobids? No. Does the Ivy tell the tournament committee, "We can't decide who is the conference champ, so we'll let you choose whether you want none or one or both?" No. The conference has to apply a tiebreaker to determine which team is the champ.

The assertion I'm objecting to is that crowning co-champs is like t-ball where everybody gets a trophy.

I'm not talking about postseason sseding. That's a different question. I'm talking about the practice of designating teams that tie in the regular season standing co-champions. Everybody does that in every sport, not just the B-12. Nobody in basketball, or baseball or whatever uses some sort of tie-breaker cascade to determine a sole regular season champ.

Just wanted to point out that FROG is correct here.

(12-17-2014 05:54 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  

(12-17-2014 03:38 PM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  

(12-17-2014 08:19 AM)mac6115cd Wrote:  What hurt the Big12 was the 13th game - CCG or not. That extra win against a (most likely) ranked opponent will always give a boost to the winner.

Until the Big12 resolves that issue, they will always be one game short. Adding two teams and having a CCG is the simplest solution - but there may be alternatives the Big12 tries first.

As so well put... 12-1 [b]> 11-1 ALWAYS[/b]

That is pretty simplistic thinking on your part.

Marshall went 12-1. Does that mean they should have made the Access Bowl or any other big bowl?

12-1 beats 11-1 when 11-1 plays no one or the 12-1 team has a bigger brand name.

Come on...you know what he meant. There is no comparison to Marshall. Its strictly on the P5 vs P5.

Well... Had FSU lost to Georgia Tech, would their 12-1 automatically trump
TCU or Baylor at 11-1?

(12-22-2014 04:10 PM)ARSTATEFAN1986 Wrote:  THE BIG XII WILL BE EXPANDING. Memphis and Cincinnati will join. Otherwise the Big XII will follow the path of Big East.

Tuxedo Yoda
‏@TuxedoYoda Big 12 has its meetings/convention in Jan. Final call on 12 or 14 & teams (UCF, Cinci, Memphis, etc.) made then. Announcement before NSD.


Well, I think he is wrong, but at least he calls his shot and sets a date that isn't months from now. Wont take long to see if he is full of it.
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Tuxedo Yoda is another one that is always wrong. At best he is Chip Brown's test subject.

Seriously, has he ever been right?