UC "forced" 22 turnovers against Nebraska, I fear SDSU will not be as careless with the ball.

First team to 40 wins.

(12-17-2014 09:09 AM)BeerCat Wrote:  UC "forced" 22 turnovers against Nebraska, I fear SDSU will not be as careless with the ball.

SDSU is worse on offense than UC. They just have one of the couple best defenses in the country.

(12-17-2014 09:10 AM)nachoman91 Wrote:  First team to 40 wins.

SDSU hasnt lost a game they were leading with 5 min to go in some crazy number of games. Something over 100 I believe.

UC up to -2.

I know UC doesn't lose at home very often but that spread is surprising to me.

Over/Under is 109.

(12-17-2014 01:44 PM)Overrated Wrote:  

(12-17-2014 09:09 AM)BeerCat Wrote:  UC "forced" 22 turnovers against Nebraska, I fear SDSU will not be as careless with the ball.

SDSU is worse on offense than UC. They just have one of the couple best defenses in the country.

I understand that, but you can be bad on offense with giving it away constantly. I have not seen SDSU play at all this year, but I was shocked at how sloppy Nebraska was with the basketball. Yes, UC's defense plays a part, but there were some serious WTF moments watching Nebraska throw the ball around.

(12-17-2014 02:41 PM)BcatMatt13 Wrote:  UC up to -2.

I know UC doesn't lose at home very often but that spread is surprising to me.

Over/Under is 109.

Under is easy money

(12-17-2014 04:01 PM)InspectorHound Wrote:  

(12-17-2014 02:41 PM)BcatMatt13 Wrote:  UC up to -2.

I know UC doesn't lose at home very often but that spread is surprising to me.

Over/Under is 109.

Under is easy money

One of the easiest bets I've seen in a long time. That's Vegas not wanting to set a stupid looking line and hoping no one will pick up on it, there's no way they believe this will be a 55-54 game when one of the teams just played in a 56-55 2OT game earlier in the week against a better offensive team AND worse defensive team than who they play tonight.

(12-17-2014 04:31 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(12-17-2014 04:01 PM)InspectorHound Wrote:  

(12-17-2014 02:41 PM)BcatMatt13 Wrote:  UC up to -2.

I know UC doesn't lose at home very often but that spread is surprising to me.

Over/Under is 109.

Under is easy money

One of the easiest bets I've seen in a long time. That's Vegas not wanting to set a stupid looking line and hoping no one will pick up on it, there's no way they believe this will be a 55-54 game when one of the teams just played in a 56-55 2OT game earlier in the week against a better offensive team AND worse defensive team than who they play tonight.

You don't get how lines are set.

(12-16-2014 02:35 PM)CincyBro Wrote:  Latest bracketology by CBS ( Palm ) : AAC has two teams, UConn ( 11 ) and SMU ( 12 ). No mention anywhere of UC. Last team in is X as a 12 seed. Tomorrow nights opponent, SDSU, projected as a four seed. Need this game.

as of this time, Xavier is a much better basketball team than UC. They have players that can score and have confidence in their scoring. UC is in a horrible season long slump and until Mick backs off with the screaming and yanking them in and out of a game, it will continue. Too bad Mick will never recruit a bb player like Xavier's Mercura...that guy can score. He is used in spots so he isn't as much of a liability to the team on defense. Mick is going to have to make a personal decision with his assistant coaches. Continue with buddies helping him or him getting real coaches that teach offense. Defense is great but if you hold an opponent to 56 points but you only score 55, you lose.
I still believe that this team has the potential to be one of the better offensive teams in the past 20 years but something is wrong. Either they aren't shooting enough in practices or they are being worn down by all the defense drills. We're in for a rough haul the next few games if Mick doesn't adapt and see the problems and correct them.

I'm also tired of reading all summer and early season about how much Shaq Thomas worked on his shooting and really improved and ready for a break out year. Foks, he's a 4th year junior that has not gotten better. I'm tired of reading how he is the uncle of Tim Duncan. That absolutely does us not good when he plays so timidly and shoots line drives and overdribbles and allows time to run out on the shot clock before throwing a ball at the rim. Mick needs to put some confidence in a Quadri Moore and have him choose better shots but at least try to have him score. Shaq's doing nothing on offense. Make sure Gary Clark takes better shots. At the Nebraska game he acted like the bb was a hot potato. He hurried his shots. Heck, he should just attack the rim and dunk it. He'll be a great player at uc unlike Shaq Thomas. And what's happened to KJ? He played much better as a freshman and now he throws the balls away and missing most of his shots. There has to be something going on with this team. As awful of inside players that Rubles and Jackson were last year on offense, this team is making them look like superstars now.
I'm still hoping this team turns it around but right now, they look like they're beat and staring into headlights like deers at night.

(12-17-2014 06:04 PM)bearcat54 Wrote:  

(12-16-2014 02:35 PM)CincyBro Wrote:  Latest bracketology by CBS ( Palm ) : AAC has two teams, UConn ( 11 ) and SMU ( 12 ). No mention anywhere of UC. Last team in is X as a 12 seed. Tomorrow nights opponent, SDSU, projected as a four seed. Need this game.

as of this time, Xavier is a much better basketball team than UC. They have players that can score and have confidence in their scoring. UC is in a horrible season long slump and until Mick backs off with the screaming and yanking them in and out of a game, it will continue. Too bad Mick will never recruit a bb player like Xavier's Mercura...that guy can score. He is used in spots so he isn't as much of a liability to the team on defense. Mick is going to have to make a personal decision with his assistant coaches. Continue with buddies helping him or him getting real coaches that teach offense. Defense is great but if you hold an opponent to 56 points but you only score 55, you lose.
I still believe that this team has the potential to be one of the better offensive teams in the past 20 years but something is wrong. Either they aren't shooting enough in practices or they are being worn down by all the defense drills. We're in for a rough haul the next few games if Mick doesn't adapt and see the problems and correct them.

Xavier lost to Long Beach St. and UTEP. JP Macura might be the worst defensive liability in the NCAA. He's a slightly more athletic Brad Redford.

(12-17-2014 06:04 PM)bearcat54 Wrote:  

(12-16-2014 02:35 PM)CincyBro Wrote:  Latest bracketology by CBS ( Palm ) : AAC has two teams, UConn ( 11 ) and SMU ( 12 ). No mention anywhere of UC. Last team in is X as a 12 seed. Tomorrow nights opponent, SDSU, projected as a four seed. Need this game.

as of this time, Xavier is a much better basketball team than UC. They have players that can score and have confidence in their scoring. UC is in a horrible season long slump and until Mick backs off with the screaming and yanking them in and out of a game, it will continue. Too bad Mick will never recruit a bb player like Xavier's Mercura...that guy can score. He is used in spots so he isn't as much of a liability to the team on defense. Mick is going to have to make a personal decision with his assistant coaches. Continue with buddies helping him or him getting real coaches that teach offense. Defense is great but if you hold an opponent to 56 points but you only score 55, you lose.
I still believe that this team has the potential to be one of the better offensive teams in the past 20 years but something is wrong. Either they aren't shooting enough in practices or they are being worn down by all the defense drills. We're in for a rough haul the next few games if Mick doesn't adapt and see the problems and correct them.

Xavier lost to an under .500 Long Beach State team and a 6-3 UTEP. Have a decent win against Alabama at home. Missouri is terrible this year. They can score the ball but they also play horrible defense. There's not really a difference between beating bad teams 91-71 or 60-40.

Not saying UC is better or would beat Xavier. Not trying to make excuses for the offense either. It has to get better. Unfortunately tonight is not the night that will happen.

I still think the Bearcats win though. I'll say 53-50. San Diego St played one other road game and only scored 36 points. They might be the one high major team worse than UC on offense.

(12-17-2014 06:19 PM)InspectorHound Wrote:  

(12-17-2014 06:04 PM)bearcat54 Wrote:  

(12-16-2014 02:35 PM)CincyBro Wrote:  Latest bracketology by CBS ( Palm ) : AAC has two teams, UConn ( 11 ) and SMU ( 12 ). No mention anywhere of UC. Last team in is X as a 12 seed. Tomorrow nights opponent, SDSU, projected as a four seed. Need this game.

as of this time, Xavier is a much better basketball team than UC. They have players that can score and have confidence in their scoring. UC is in a horrible season long slump and until Mick backs off with the screaming and yanking them in and out of a game, it will continue. Too bad Mick will never recruit a bb player like Xavier's Mercura...that guy can score. He is used in spots so he isn't as much of a liability to the team on defense. Mick is going to have to make a personal decision with his assistant coaches. Continue with buddies helping him or him getting real coaches that teach offense. Defense is great but if you hold an opponent to 56 points but you only score 55, you lose.
I still believe that this team has the potential to be one of the better offensive teams in the past 20 years but something is wrong. Either they aren't shooting enough in practices or they are being worn down by all the defense drills. We're in for a rough haul the next few games if Mick doesn't adapt and see the problems and correct them.

Xavier lost to Long Beach St. and UTEP. JP Macura might be the worst defensive liability in the NCAA. He's a slightly more athletic Brad Redford.

right and X doesn't play him a lot but when he does, he's pretty much automatic because he has basketball shooting skills and he has confidence in his shot. I'm just saying Cronin doesn't recruit basketball players with actual basketball skills. He wants track stars that his offense doesn't really promote taking advantage of that speed. This year's team mostly standing outside the perimeter and dribbling and dribbling..passing to another and then getting the ball back and then forcing up a quick shot because the shot clock is winding down. That offense is killing us right now. He needs to turn them loose and run and take advantage of all of this athleticism. Mick wouldn't have recruited Larry Bird, Kevin McHale or Jerry West if they were 18 again haha- a rather pathetic chuckle at the least.

(12-17-2014 06:19 PM)InspectorHound Wrote:  

(12-17-2014 06:04 PM)bearcat54 Wrote:  

(12-16-2014 02:35 PM)CincyBro Wrote:  Latest bracketology by CBS ( Palm ) : AAC has two teams, UConn ( 11 ) and SMU ( 12 ). No mention anywhere of UC. Last team in is X as a 12 seed. Tomorrow nights opponent, SDSU, projected as a four seed. Need this game.

as of this time, Xavier is a much better basketball team than UC. They have players that can score and have confidence in their scoring. UC is in a horrible season long slump and until Mick backs off with the screaming and yanking them in and out of a game, it will continue. Too bad Mick will never recruit a bb player like Xavier's Mercura...that guy can score. He is used in spots so he isn't as much of a liability to the team on defense. Mick is going to have to make a personal decision with his assistant coaches. Continue with buddies helping him or him getting real coaches that teach offense. Defense is great but if you hold an opponent to 56 points but you only score 55, you lose.
I still believe that this team has the potential to be one of the better offensive teams in the past 20 years but something is wrong. Either they aren't shooting enough in practices or they are being worn down by all the defense drills. We're in for a rough haul the next few games if Mick doesn't adapt and see the problems and correct them.

Xavier lost to Long Beach St. and UTEP. JP Macura might be the worst defensive liability in the NCAA. He's a slightly more athletic Brad Redford.

and as I said earlier..we'd lose to Xavier right now because they would outscore us. We could hold them to 60 points but would we score 61?

(12-17-2014 05:10 PM)Overrated Wrote:  

(12-17-2014 04:31 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(12-17-2014 04:01 PM)InspectorHound Wrote:  

(12-17-2014 02:41 PM)BcatMatt13 Wrote:  UC up to -2.

I know UC doesn't lose at home very often but that spread is surprising to me.

Over/Under is 109.

Under is easy money

One of the easiest bets I've seen in a long time. That's Vegas not wanting to set a stupid looking line and hoping no one will pick up on it, there's no way they believe this will be a 55-54 game when one of the teams just played in a 56-55 2OT game earlier in the week against a better offensive team AND worse defensive team than who they play tonight.

You don't get how lines are set.

They're set to trick people into expecting one way over the way the statistical evidence would dictate the outcome will occur...that's exactly what's happened here.

(12-17-2014 08:12 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(12-17-2014 05:10 PM)Overrated Wrote:  

(12-17-2014 04:31 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(12-17-2014 04:01 PM)InspectorHound Wrote:  

(12-17-2014 02:41 PM)BcatMatt13 Wrote:  UC up to -2.

I know UC doesn't lose at home very often but that spread is surprising to me.

Over/Under is 109.

Under is easy money

One of the easiest bets I've seen in a long time. That's Vegas not wanting to set a stupid looking line and hoping no one will pick up on it, there's no way they believe this will be a 55-54 game when one of the teams just played in a 56-55 2OT game earlier in the week against a better offensive team AND worse defensive team than who they play tonight.

You don't get how lines are set.

They're set to trick people into expecting one way over the way the statistical evidence would dictate the outcome will occur...that's exactly what's happened here.

No. Not at all. Because people with huge bankrolls understand statistical analysis. Quite frankly they understand statistical analysis and create models that books couldn't even dream of. Which is why things like the vig and limits exist, not letting sides get over exposed before they can move a number if necessary.

Does anyone's TV picture seem a little dark? Looked fine for the game that was on before this.

Color on the sideline camera is way off.

The only thing more painful than watching this game is listening to Dan Dakich announce it.