(01-03-2015 09:40 AM)Georgia_Power_Company Wrote:  I think if we want to secure a fifth bowl tie in we must have at least 10 teams. I frankly don't understand the logic of not adding NMSU for all sports but if we must drop both Idaho and NMSU then I firmly believe we also must invite a 10th team for a stable conference.

I would not be in favor of dropping NMSU...but instead offer them as to full membership which keeps us at eleven. Until someone is ready to move up that we want (Missouri State), add UMASS for football only with same deal as Idaho, but ask that they schedule at least four games against Sun Belt teams. If UAB is dropped from CUSA...add them to go to 14 in oly sports. Baseball, basketball and softball would improve.

East

Appalachian State
Georgia Southern
Georgia State
South Alabama
Troy
UMASS (football only)

West

Arkansas State
Idaho (football only)
Louisiana Lafayette
Louisiana Monroe
New Mexico State
Texas State

Basketball


Alabama Birmingham
Appalachian State
Arkansas Little Rock
Arkansas State
Georgia Southern
Georgia State
Louisiana Lafayette
Louisiana Monroe
(Missouri State)
New Mexico State
South Alabama
Texas Arlington
Texas State
Troy

(01-03-2015 12:09 PM)ARSTATEFAN1986 Wrote:  I would not be in favor of dropping NMSU...but instead offer them as to full membership which keeps us at eleven. Until someone is ready to move up that we want (Missouri State), add UMASS for football only with same deal as Idaho, but ask that they schedule at least four games against Sun Belt teams. If UAB is dropped from CUSA...add them to go to 14 in oly sports. Baseball, basketball and softball would improve.

East

Appalachian State
Georgia Southern
Georgia State
South Alabama
Troy
UMASS (football only)

West

Arkansas State
Idaho (football only)
Louisiana Lafayette
Louisiana Monroe
New Mexico State
Texas State

Basketball


Alabama Birmingham
Appalachian State
Arkansas Little Rock
Arkansas State
Georgia Southern
Georgia State
Louisiana Lafayette
Louisiana Monroe
(Missouri State)
New Mexico State
South Alabama
Texas Arlington
Texas State
Troy

I would be in favor of this. Keep Idaho until Missouri St is ready. Replace them with UMass-fb only to balance out the divisions.


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To those wanting NMSU for all sports or even just football are SOL unless the SBC falls victim to another massive raid. The eastern schools simply don't want to foot the travel expenses involved with the Olympic sports. I'm pretty sure USA voted against them (at least I know the AD didn't want them) and I'd be surprised if they had, or ever will have the support of anyone east of the Mississippi River unless we get raided badly again.

(01-03-2015 04:56 PM)airtroop Wrote:  To those wanting NMSU for all sports or even just football are SOL unless the SBC falls victim to another massive raid. The eastern schools simply don't want to foot the travel expenses involved with the Olympic sports. I'm pretty sure USA voted against them (at least I know the AD didn't want them) and I'd be surprised if they had, or ever will have the support of anyone east of the Mississippi River unless we get raided badly again.

Not adding NM State in all sports is shortsighted and selfish.

One of the many questionable decisions of this conference.

(01-03-2015 07:18 PM)AstroCajun Wrote:  

(01-03-2015 04:56 PM)airtroop Wrote:  To those wanting NMSU for all sports or even just football are SOL unless the SBC falls victim to another massive raid. The eastern schools simply don't want to foot the travel expenses involved with the Olympic sports. I'm pretty sure USA voted against them (at least I know the AD didn't want them) and I'd be surprised if they had, or ever will have the support of anyone east of the Mississippi River unless we get raided badly again.

Not adding NM State in all sports is shortsighted and selfish.

One of the many questionable decisions of this conference.

It's not too shortsighted, in my opinion.

While NMSU would bring in a solid basketball program, would the pros outweigh the cons enough to make them worth it?

I would assume that App State would vote no to NMSU becoming a full member. Getting to Las Cruces from Boone would be a hectic and expensive one. If the men's cross country team was to fly out of Charlotte to Las Cruces, it would cost around $500 for a round trip ticket, so the trip would cost a minimum $7500. That's one team flying to one school.

While I understand that this is an issue mainly isolated to App State, I'm sure many other schools agree that NMSU is an outlier... a costly one, too.

(01-03-2015 08:00 PM)rknj8993 Wrote:  

(01-03-2015 07:18 PM)AstroCajun Wrote:  

(01-03-2015 04:56 PM)airtroop Wrote:  To those wanting NMSU for all sports or even just football are SOL unless the SBC falls victim to another massive raid. The eastern schools simply don't want to foot the travel expenses involved with the Olympic sports. I'm pretty sure USA voted against them (at least I know the AD didn't want them) and I'd be surprised if they had, or ever will have the support of anyone east of the Mississippi River unless we get raided badly again.

Not adding NM State in all sports is shortsighted and selfish.

One of the many questionable decisions of this conference.

It's not too shortsighted, in my opinion.

While NMSU would bring in a solid basketball program, would the pros outweigh the cons enough to make them worth it?

I would assume that App State would vote no to NMSU becoming a full member. Getting to Las Cruces from Boone would be a hectic and expensive one. If the men's cross country team was to fly out of Charlotte to Las Cruces, it would cost around $500 for a round trip ticket, so the trip would cost a minimum $7500. That's one team flying to one school.

While I understand that this is an issue mainly isolated to App State, I'm sure many other schools agree that NMSU is an outlier... a costly one, too.

Didn't realize that it was YOUR money. Try and remember that your math also works the other way, as when NMSU has to travel to Boone. If the costs are too much for your school, perhaps you should not have made the jump . . ..

(01-03-2015 08:04 PM)Bobcat87 Wrote:  

(01-03-2015 08:00 PM)rknj8993 Wrote:  

(01-03-2015 07:18 PM)AstroCajun Wrote:  

(01-03-2015 04:56 PM)airtroop Wrote:  To those wanting NMSU for all sports or even just football are SOL unless the SBC falls victim to another massive raid. The eastern schools simply don't want to foot the travel expenses involved with the Olympic sports. I'm pretty sure USA voted against them (at least I know the AD didn't want them) and I'd be surprised if they had, or ever will have the support of anyone east of the Mississippi River unless we get raided badly again.

Not adding NM State in all sports is shortsighted and selfish.

One of the many questionable decisions of this conference.

It's not too shortsighted, in my opinion.

While NMSU would bring in a solid basketball program, would the pros outweigh the cons enough to make them worth it?

I would assume that App State would vote no to NMSU becoming a full member. Getting to Las Cruces from Boone would be a hectic and expensive one. If the men's cross country team was to fly out of Charlotte to Las Cruces, it would cost around $500 for a round trip ticket, so the trip would cost a minimum $7500. That's one team flying to one school.

While I understand that this is an issue mainly isolated to App State, I'm sure many other schools agree that NMSU is an outlier... a costly one, too.

Didn't realize that it was YOUR money. Try and remember that your math also works the other way, as when NMSU has to travel to Boone. If the costs are too much for your school, perhaps you should not have made the jump . . ..

NMSU has to travel to Boone once every few years. We were invited as full members for a reason. Don't get pissed off because some of us don't see NMSU as the saviors that you do in Texas...

(01-03-2015 08:06 PM)rknj8993 Wrote:  

(01-03-2015 08:04 PM)Bobcat87 Wrote:  

(01-03-2015 08:00 PM)rknj8993 Wrote:  

(01-03-2015 07:18 PM)AstroCajun Wrote:  

(01-03-2015 04:56 PM)airtroop Wrote:  To those wanting NMSU for all sports or even just football are SOL unless the SBC falls victim to another massive raid. The eastern schools simply don't want to foot the travel expenses involved with the Olympic sports. I'm pretty sure USA voted against them (at least I know the AD didn't want them) and I'd be surprised if they had, or ever will have the support of anyone east of the Mississippi River unless we get raided badly again.

Not adding NM State in all sports is shortsighted and selfish.

One of the many questionable decisions of this conference.

It's not too shortsighted, in my opinion.

While NMSU would bring in a solid basketball program, would the pros outweigh the cons enough to make them worth it?

I would assume that App State would vote no to NMSU becoming a full member. Getting to Las Cruces from Boone would be a hectic and expensive one. If the men's cross country team was to fly out of Charlotte to Las Cruces, it would cost around $500 for a round trip ticket, so the trip would cost a minimum $7500. That's one team flying to one school.

While I understand that this is an issue mainly isolated to App State, I'm sure many other schools agree that NMSU is an outlier... a costly one, too.

Didn't realize that it was YOUR money. Try and remember that your math also works the other way, as when NMSU has to travel to Boone. If the costs are too much for your school, perhaps you should not have made the jump . . ..

NMSU has to travel to Boone once every few years. We were invited as full members for a reason. Don't get pissed off because some of us don't see NMSU as the saviors that you do in Texas...

Not pissed, and don't view them as saviors . . . You're the one complaining about the cost of a trip to Las Cruses, which let's be honest, App makes how many times a year? Put yourself in NMSU's shoes, with the exception of a trip to Idaho, every trip they make is of considerable distance East, yet you don't hear them complaining about it. . . or how'd you like to be Idaho? Or even West Va for that matter . . . Compared to their cost of travel, you got no complaint . . . . . But if it's too much for ya, suppose you can always go back . . .

NMSU for ALL sports!

I don't hear about NMSU complaints, however I really don't hear anything from their fans, do they exist?

(01-03-2015 09:53 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  I don't hear about NMSU complaints, however I really don't hear anything from their fans, do they exist?

Yeah, they have a lot of fans . . . .in San Marcos . . . See a few here from time to time, actually don't know where the majority of them hang out . . ..
While not great in football, their basketball and baseball would immediately help the conference . . .

It will be interesting to see if after the 2015 season both NMSU and Idaho are given their 2 year notice that 2017 will be their last year in the Belt. That would drop the conference to 9 fb playing schools and still 11 olympic sport playing teams.

Who knows what the school presidents will want to do. It is obvious Benson's plan is to keep both and add another to get to 12 in football.

(01-03-2015 10:04 PM)GaSoEagle Wrote:  It will be interesting to see if after the 2015 season both NMSU and Idaho are given their 2 year notice that 2017 will be their last year in the Belt. That would drop the conference to 9 fb playing schools and still 11 olympic sport playing teams.

Who knows what the school presidents will want to do. It is obvious Benson's plan is to keep both and add another to get to 12 in football.

I'm missing something here. How is that obvious?

Benson lobbied hard for Liberty to be the 12th and has stated on many occasions his vision was a 12 fb playing conference with a conference championship game. Unfortunately for him apparently the presidents are not jumping on his vision.

(01-03-2015 10:11 PM)GaSoEagle Wrote:  Benson lobbied hard for Liberty to be the 12th and has stated on many occasions his vision was a 12 fb playing conference with a conference championship game. Unfortunately for him apparently the presidents are not jumping on his vision.

I've heard and read here Benson lobbied for Liberty. Is he content with Idaho and NMSU and do they fit in the future?