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EtolonelColonel Wrote:Working on equity? You can't convince me that any organization classifying itself as "black" is interested in equity.
In other news...
(According to today's edition of the New York Times)
Dr. Mfanya D. Tryman is professor of political science at Mississippi State and the president of the Oktibbeha County, Miss., chapter of the N.A.A.C.P.
Despite the great anticipation at his hiring, Croom also arrives at a time when Mississippi State has fallen behind Ole Miss in the integration of administrative and management positions, Tryman said. Only about 30 of 800 full-time professors at Mississippi State are black, as are 6 of the 120 employees in the athletic department, he said.
"Ole Miss has had a black vice president, two black basketball coaches and a black dean of the law school," Tryman said. "Mississippi State has not had any of that. We need to continue with more than one appointment in an administrative or management capacity."
not going to convince you or even try, but you can't compare the two organizations either. Now we are in a race for other positions on campus too. Well I'll be damned.. well first we will never have a black dean of our law school, oh wait, we don't have a law school. As far as the black basketball coaches, how is that going for Ole Miss by the way? How is the fit there?
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12-03-2003 05:39 PM |
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<a href='http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2003/football/ncaa/12/03/norman.croom/index.html' target='_blank'>Race race race race.</a>
And they say the subject of race is a "constant" in Mississippi. In what state is it not a constant?
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<a href='http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2003/football/ncaa/12/02/bc.fbc.mississippist.cr.ap/index.html' target='_blank'>Even Croom judges character by skin tone.</a>
"The people here were interested in making changes that were good for Mississippi State, the state of Mississippi, the Southeastern Conference and America," Croom said.
Really? Why is automatically good for America? Because State will have a better program? Or because he happens to be black?
My point in ALL of this is that his being "special" because he's black is just as ludicrous as anyone in the past being "special" because they are white.
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12-03-2003 05:47 PM |
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man you must be having fun looking up all these articles with both MSU and Croom in them, thanks for the links by the way. I have to ask though would you be so interested in this the way you are if this was an Ole Miss hire, or would it just be water under the bridge, so to speak. Just curious.
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I guess I'm just more progressive than you are. I think TRUE progress and "look how much we've changed" would be if race were NOT MENTIONED AT ALL.
I find it repulsive that this is such a big deal. It's an undeserved slap in the face of Mississippi that such a big deal is made out of it.
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I'd be probably MORE interested, because the media's "Look, racist Mississippi has finally caught up to the rest of us totally unracist Yankees 40 years later" crap would be even more offensively intense.
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12-03-2003 05:52 PM |
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Looking up "all these articles with MSU and Croom in them?" It's called going to the mainpage of espn.com and sportsillustrated.com. I don't have to look it up.
The national media are making top stories out of it.
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12-03-2003 05:53 PM |
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fair enough..well maybe you are more progressive but at the same time I don't read the magazines or papers of most of the links you have put on here, Sports Illustrated and NY Times are rags, man their job is to sell magazines and newspapers but I agree that if this hire was at say Temple or Rutgers or some school like that, it would be no big deal. See all I am seeing in this is a football coach with plenty of coaching experience. The problem I will eventually have with it is that right now it is considered a positive move by State and the SEC to hire him because he is black, when he does not produce and has losing seasons then he will be the first black head coach fired by State and I can guarantee you that the SEC will make sure to stay silent on that then we turn out to be the "bad guys" by these same folks right now who, as you say, are making us out as heroes.
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Yep.
I just hope when UM fans hold up anti-Croom signs (as we would hold up anti-Jackie or anti-insert-opponent-coach-here signs), the media doesn't frame it like "Ole Miss is still a bunch of racists
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12-03-2003 06:27 PM |
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[quote="EtolonelColonel"] Yep.
I just hope when UM fans hold up anti-Croom signs (as we would hold up anti-Jackie or anti-insert-opponent-coach-here signs), the media doesn't frame it like "Ole Miss is still a bunch of racists
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How can Mississippi State possible recruit black athletes more than they have already? I guess they could pull in a feew more that possible would have gone somewhere else had Crooms not been the coach.
I'm sure he will do a good job and if he does ANYTHING, it will be better than Jacqui the last 3 or 4 years.
I was talking to a few of my MSU friends at church tonight. They had mixed feelings but a couple have already chalked up the SEC crown - next year! Of course they told be that prior to the '03 season, too.
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REBstill Wrote:How can Mississippi State possible recruit black athletes more than they have already? I guess they could pull in a feew more that possible would have gone somewhere else had Crooms not been the coach.
I'm sure he will do a good job and if he does ANYTHING, it will be better than Jacqui the last 3 or 4 years.
I was talking to a few of my MSU friends at church tonight. They had mixed feelings but a couple have already chalked up the SEC crown - next year! Of course they told be that prior to the '03 season, too.
well I won't predict an SEC crown next year, hell he has the 5 year plan and may just need that or maybe not, but 1 year later I highly doubt that will happen, but hey folks can dream, just don't bet the house on it. I just want to be competitive again to start off, I am not adverse to a 5 win season in year 1, if we get more then that is great too, but I am a realist, we have too many problems on the defensive side of the ball and the offensive line to really be a contender so soon, though I have a good feeling that OL part will shape up real quick like.
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