(07-03-2015 09:11 AM)memphistiger89 Wrote: Tulane is a great university and I don't mean this as a knock against them but wasn't their invitation to the Big East the final straw that caused the original members to disband? Now just 2 years later, Tulane is a viable candidate for the Big 12? Am I missing something here?
Yes. The Catholic 7 were on their way out the door anyway. They knew that they could make more money, separate themselves from FBS schools and tighten their footprint back at the same time. Pitt, WVU, etc. saw that the Big East's BCS status was going to be lost. Tulane's advantages of academic prestige and New Orleans location should not be entirely dismissed in my opinion.
How's that working out for them?
and before you get all indignant GA, that wasn't a jab against you
Not indignation here. As I understand it, the Catholic "new Big East' is currently making more TV money off of basketball than the AAC makes from basketball and football combined. The advantage we have is MUCH better exposure (very important), and in the future will probably have a better TV contract.
The Big East teams make $4 million per year. The network overpaid and I'll bet if you ask the Big East teams, they would rather take less money and be on ESPN. Basketball recruiting is in the toilet.
(07-03-2015 09:11 AM)memphistiger89 Wrote: Tulane is a great university and I don't mean this as a knock against them but wasn't their invitation to the Big East the final straw that caused the original members to disband? Now just 2 years later, Tulane is a viable candidate for the Big 12? Am I missing something here?
Yes. The Catholic 7 were on their way out the door anyway. They knew that they could make more money, separate themselves from FBS schools and tighten their footprint back at the same time. Pitt, WVU, etc. saw that the Big East's BCS status was going to be lost. Tulane's advantages of academic prestige and New Orleans location should not be entirely dismissed in my opinion.
I don't blame the basketball only schools for splitting off at all. It was a smart move on their part. They can focus on making conference decisions that work best for the sports they are involved in without having to settle with other schools making decisions for them based on football
(07-03-2015 09:11 AM)memphistiger89 Wrote: Tulane is a great university and I don't mean this as a knock against them but wasn't their invitation to the Big East the final straw that caused the original members to disband? Now just 2 years later, Tulane is a viable candidate for the Big 12? Am I missing something here?
Yes. The Catholic 7 were on their way out the door anyway. They knew that they could make more money, separate themselves from FBS schools and tighten their footprint back at the same time. Pitt, WVU, etc. saw that the Big East's BCS status was going to be lost. Tulane's advantages of academic prestige and New Orleans location should not be entirely dismissed in my opinion.
How's that working out for them?
and before you get all indignant GA, that wasn't a jab against you
Not indignation here. As I understand it, the Catholic "new Big East' is currently making more TV money off of basketball than the AAC makes from basketball and football combined. The advantage we have is MUCH better exposure (very important), and in the future will probably have a better TV contract.
The Big East teams make $4 million per year. The network overpaid and I'll bet if you ask the Big East teams, they would rather take less money and be on ESPN. Basketball recruiting is in the toilet.
The first rule of marketing your product is that you give up profits for shelf space. Without shelf space, your product will die. With shelf space, your product can be purchased, consumers determine if they like it, and if it is a good product, sales will increase. A consumer product's viability is all about ensuring the consumers know about it, and have access to it. Your product has to be in stores that people shop at.
The BE may be happy at the moment about their money, but Fox isnt. And certain BE schools are really not happy about recruiting right now. So while the money will be good for a while, the product becomes more and more invisible, deflated, and by the time contract negotiations roll around again, irrelevant.
(07-03-2015 09:11 AM)memphistiger89 Wrote: Tulane is a great university and I don't mean this as a knock against them but wasn't their invitation to the Big East the final straw that caused the original members to disband? Now just 2 years later, Tulane is a viable candidate for the Big 12? Am I missing something here?
Yes. The Catholic 7 were on their way out the door anyway. They knew that they could make more money, separate themselves from FBS schools and tighten their footprint back at the same time. Pitt, WVU, etc. saw that the Big East's BCS status was going to be lost. Tulane's advantages of academic prestige and New Orleans location should not be entirely dismissed in my opinion.
I don't blame the basketball only schools for splitting off at all. It was a smart move on their part. They can focus on making conference decisions that work best for the sports they are involved in without having to settle with other schools making decisions for them based on football
(07-03-2015 09:11 AM)memphistiger89 Wrote: Tulane is a great university and I don't mean this as a knock against them but wasn't their invitation to the Big East the final straw that caused the original members to disband? Now just 2 years later, Tulane is a viable candidate for the Big 12? Am I missing something here?
Yes. The Catholic 7 were on their way out the door anyway. They knew that they could make more money, separate themselves from FBS schools and tighten their footprint back at the same time. Pitt, WVU, etc. saw that the Big East's BCS status was going to be lost. Tulane's advantages of academic prestige and New Orleans location should not be entirely dismissed in my opinion.
I don't blame the basketball only schools for splitting off at all. It was a smart move on their part. They can focus on making conference decisions that work best for the sports they are involved in without having to settle with other schools making decisions for them based on football
If the Big East would have stayed at its strongest, they would be looking at around $18 million from TV money, with a higher proportion than deserved going to basketball only schools. There is a good chance that the next 10 years could hugely devalue the brand.
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After we beat olemiss there was a really long thread on one of the olemiss boards about us and the Big XII. They are terrified of the possibility.
One of them was talking about how we don't have a chance because of our TV market being too small. I always laugh at that one. If it's big enough for the NBA then I think we'll be just fine if that becomes a determining factor.
(This post was last modified: 10-28-2015 02:19 PM by 3601.)
(10-28-2015 02:19 PM)3601 Wrote: After we beat olemiss there was a really long thread on one of the olemiss boards about us and the Big XII. They are terrified of the possibility.
One of them was talking about how we don't have a chance because of our TV market being too small. I always laugh at that one. If it's big enough for the NBA then I think we'll be just fine if that becomes a determining factor.
yep
Same with Vawl fans. Memphis in the big 12 means we almost assuredly hang on to Fuente. He stays around long term and is able to recruit 3-4 star players instead of walk on's, and this program could be seeing just the tip of the iceberg this year.
Every OM and UT fan I know cant stop with "Fuente and Lynch are gone after this year" talk.
What is amazing to me is that either the B12 or ACC ... they're seeing the "production pilot" on Memphis Football. The OM game was the first, full production deployment. That is what can happen. With the correct conference support, competition, etc - take that and grow it. It's a business plan in the making. Doesn't even consider the things going on behind closed doors that we don't even know about yet.
(This post was last modified: 10-28-2015 03:05 PM by 80sTiger.)
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