(12-08-2014 11:08 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  K State is hugely influential

I believe Manhattan, NY is more influential here than Manhattan, KS.

(12-09-2014 08:18 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  

(12-08-2014 10:52 PM)knightastic Wrote:  never even heard of that UCF/SMU BOR report

thats 2 of us.

NCAA Board of Representatives, it's a part of the governance. UCF's Hitt currently serves as the Rep and SMU's Turner serves as a Chair.

(12-08-2014 10:34 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  Anyone remember miko? He would have enjoyed the panic on this board.

He is alive and well on the conference realignment board.

I won't believe any of these tweets and rumors till something happens. It is all just a bunch of smoke.

(12-08-2014 09:19 PM)MickMack Wrote:  

(12-08-2014 09:17 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  I think they're going to push for an 8 team playoff, or at least a waiver with a 4 team playoff.

Expansion is a bitter and contentious pill they don't want to swallow.

Sounds right to me. If there's one thing we know it's that money trumps all with these clowns. Unless and until the lack of a CCG starts really impacting the bottom line, they aren't handing out any new memberships to the country club.

These two posts are both correct.

UConn-SMU's point -- the Big <XII doesn't want to expand -- is obvious but frequently overlooked, IMHO. They'll do it if they simply have no other choice, but they will conduct an exhaustive study/analysis of every conceivable alternative before they do.

If expansion ever does happen, I still believe that BYU will be included in it.

(12-08-2014 09:53 PM)NestaKnight1 Wrote:  

(12-08-2014 09:50 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  The thing is---this stuff can blow up fast and there is little time to react. If we lost 2 of our top basketball attractions, one of the primary selling points of the league is heavily damaged and it would be difficult to repair it once basketball was depleted.

I think we should be pro-active. Add Wichita and one other strong non-football basketball power. That would provide us a cheap hedge that would allow AAC basketball to take a hit, and still remain VERY attractive to TV and other basketball schools. That allows us to always have the power to reload after a hit. Plus, it costs us little and only increases the current perception of the basketball league if no raid occurs.

I thought that hybrid conference idea was extinct, passing with the Big East.

Every league is a hybrid to some degree... Hell we're already a fb / all sport hybrid now with Navy coming on.... Some play FCS but d1 basketball, others don't sponsor the same number of sports. Etc etc... There's no such thing as level playing fields or being entirely on the same page. The big difference if we added a couple of non football members is that FBS football members outnumber them so not apples and apples compared to the 8 and 8 split + the ND parasite scenario.

(12-09-2014 09:45 AM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(12-08-2014 09:53 PM)NestaKnight1 Wrote:  

(12-08-2014 09:50 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  The thing is---this stuff can blow up fast and there is little time to react. If we lost 2 of our top basketball attractions, one of the primary selling points of the league is heavily damaged and it would be difficult to repair it once basketball was depleted.

I think we should be pro-active. Add Wichita and one other strong non-football basketball power. That would provide us a cheap hedge that would allow AAC basketball to take a hit, and still remain VERY attractive to TV and other basketball schools. That allows us to always have the power to reload after a hit. Plus, it costs us little and only increases the current perception of the basketball league if no raid occurs.

I thought that hybrid conference idea was extinct, passing with the Big East.

Every league is a hybrid to some degree... Hell we're already a fb / all sport hybrid now with Navy coming on.... Some play FCS but d1 basketball, others don't sponsor the same number of sports. Etc etc... There's no such thing as level playing fields or being entirely on the same page. The big difference if we added a couple of non football members is that FBS football members outnumber them so not apples and apples compared to the 8 and 8 split + the ND parasite scenario.

A hybrid isn't problematic as long as the programs understand that football drives the bus. The problem with the Big East was that it was always a basketball first conference and it refused to prioritize football to the detriment of basketball.

SMU does not have a Board of Regents - so what is McMustache talking about here?

Am I missing something?

(12-09-2014 09:57 AM)Carolina Stang Wrote:  SMU does not have a Board of Regents

Board of Trustees? Board of Governors? etc.

If Texas was 11-1 they wouldve been in. If Sooner was 11-1 they wouldve been in.

If Baylor played one good OOC game they wouldve been in.

(12-09-2014 10:19 AM)panicstricken Wrote:  If Texas was 11-1 they wouldve been in. If Sooner was 11-1 they wouldve been in.

If Baylor played one good OOC game they wouldve been in.

Nope...... 12-1>11-1

Ohio States brand is equal to Texas or Oklahoma and much better than Baylor's

(12-08-2014 10:02 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  I have no idea what the Big 12 is going to do --- but I do know that when you're sitting at the table it 'benefits you not' to show your hand.

So your telling me "you have a chance".

Word has it the the "Fed Ex Plane" is on the tarmac. Fred Smith is getting on it with his check book.... flying into College Station this afternoon.

I don't know if I can get on this ride one more time. 2011 was nuts.

This much we do know: the B12 did get hosed, directly as a result of not playing a CCG. I totally believe that they are talking about expansion as an option to remedy this... but they would be smart to deny it. Of course, the boards and bloggers get spun up... but these denials don't changed what happened. And the B12 does NOT what this to repeat year after year. We can also be pretty sure that the other P5 don't want the B12 to get a CCG at 10 schools.

Bottom line, they are only not expanding to protect their pot of gold. Call it logic, greed, or good business sense, but at least this year there was a defined negative consequence. That can't continue. Maybe the playoff expands to 8 and that fixes their issue (prob not quick enough), or maybe they get a CCG at 10 (doubtful). But if it's simple greed, than why not just add teams at 1/2 shares...? any of us would take it anyway, still a huge increase. Fixes their access problem, and also fixes the WV island issue to some degree.

I bet they are talking more seriously than they will admit. It's only been a couple of days... let the dust settle and we'll see what happens. No one saw Pitt and Cuse bailing the old Big East... the most legit talking is behind closed doors.

(12-09-2014 10:33 AM)No Bull Wrote:  

(12-08-2014 10:02 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  I have no idea what the Big 12 is going to do --- but I do know that when you're sitting at the table it 'benefits you not' to show your hand.

So your telling me "you have a chance".

Have no idea. But I am telling you the Big 12 isn't going to "announce" what they're going to do before they do it. Which makes perfect sense. See the expansion of the ACC w/ Pitt, VT and the others. See the expansion of the B1G w/ Maryland and Rutgers.

Someone has to explain to me where the NCAA came up with the 12 number? How do they dictate to conferences how they can run their business. Hell a ten team league where everyone plays each other is arguably a better gauge on who the top two teams should be for the conference championship game. Look at the SEC, the schedules are totally unbalanced.

Big 12 isn't the only conference that wants to expand the CFP to 8 teams. Notre Dame is on board. The entire G5 is on board. The Big Ten knows that it barely sneaked in this year. The SEC recognizes that a flop by Alabama in the SEC championship would have locked them out. Same with the ACC.

Final exams and schedules are a non-issue. There are five BOWL games on December 20. 5 more bowl games before Christmas. They could figure out how to hold a Round 1 before Christmas.

Could you imagine? How does this not happen in the near future?

Friday, December 19, 2014
8pm EST
#5 Baylor (Big 12) at #4 Ohio St. (B1G), in Columbus, Ohio

Saturday, December 20, 14
12pm EST
#6 TCU (at large) at #3 Florida St. (ACC), in Tallahassee, Florida

4pm EST
#20 Boise St. (Group of 5) at #1 Alabama (SEC), in Tuscaloosa, Alabama

8pm EST
#7 Mississippi St. (at large) at #2 Oregon (PAC 12), in Eugene, Oregon

Winners move on to the Rose Bowl and Sugar Bowl matchups on January 1, 2015!

Losers go to Fiesta Bowl and Peach Bowl on December 31, 2014.

(12-08-2014 09:29 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  

(12-08-2014 09:18 PM)BigHouston Wrote:  Welcome back everyone

This from the same guy who tells me that the MW has a slot reserved for Houston, but, the Coogs have to keep beating them off....

No wonder BYU wanted out of the league

(12-09-2014 10:49 AM)Bull Wrote:  This much we do know: the B12 did get hosed, directly as a result of not playing a CCG. I totally believe that they are talking about expansion as an option to remedy this... but they would be smart to deny it. Of course, the boards and bloggers get spun up... but these denials don't changed what happened. And the B12 does NOT what this to repeat year after year. We can also be pretty sure that the other P5 don't want the B12 to get a CCG at 10 schools.

Bottom line, they are only not expanding to protect their pot of gold. Call it logic, greed, or good business sense, but at least this year there was a defined negative consequence. That can't continue. Maybe the playoff expands to 8 and that fixes their issue (prob not quick enough), or maybe they get a CCG at 10 (doubtful). But if it's simple greed, than why not just add teams at 1/2 shares...? any of us would take it anyway, still a huge increase. Fixes their access problem, and also fixes the WV island issue to some degree.

I bet they are talking more seriously than they will admit. It's only been a couple of days... let the dust settle and we'll see what happens. No one saw Pitt and Cuse bailing the old Big East... the most legit talking is behind closed doors.

Bottom line---through their actions the Big-12 has indicated the do not want to expand. That said, they now have an issue because the lack of a CCG hurt them this year. My guess is they will try to other options to fix the problem before expansion. I think expansion is probably on the table---but its the last option.


Option #1--Better OOC scheduling. This would have made a difference.

Option#2--Push the proposed NCAA legislation allowing a CCG with just 10 teams.

Option #3---Push for an expanded 8 team playoff.

Option #4---Expansion.


I think they try #1, #2, and #3 before expansion is authorized.