(12-08-2014 03:48 PM)Ragu Wrote:  No thanks on more bad football teams. ACC has enough of them leaching off the real football programs already.

Can't afford to have another bad program expose Florida State.

(12-08-2014 03:58 PM)thekevo23 Wrote:  best move is probably talk the pac-12 into taking the texoma 4 and inviting West virginia at the same time. the big 12 needs to be put out of its misery

4 to the PAC 12, 2 each to B1G, SEC, and ACC and the problem is permanently solved. No need to worry about Texas ending up with a schedule of Iowa State, Kansas, WVU, Cincy, Memphis, BYU, Colorado State, TCU, and Texas Tech.

(12-08-2014 02:52 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  A. Hold Tight
B. Offer Cincy
C. Offer UConn
D. Offer both UConn and Cincy

Cincy creates a nice swath from both Pitt to UL/ND and also the Carolinas to UL/ND. Helps tie in the UL/ND to the ACC.

UConn helps solidify the Tri-State area with ND/Cuse, New England with BC/ND. UConn with Cuse/ND/Pitt/Duke/UNC would kill the B1G in NYC for hoops.

Crazy. ACC shouldn't do anything unless Notre Dame is interested as #15.

Why would the ACC need to do anything?

(12-08-2014 03:13 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(12-08-2014 02:52 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  A. Hold Tight
B. Offer Cincy
C. Offer UConn
D. Offer both UConn and Cincy

Cincy creates a nice swath from both Pitt to UL/ND and also the Carolinas to UL/ND. Helps tie in the UL/ND to the ACC.

UConn helps solidify the Tri-State area with ND/Cuse, New England with BC/ND. UConn with Cuse/ND/Pitt/Duke/UNC would kill the B1G in NYC for hoops.

A.... and wait for Notre Dame and West Virginia.

If they really wanted to be sneaky offer Cincinnati and WVU. That would send Texhoma running for the Pac12. Divide and conquer.

(12-08-2014 02:52 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  A. Hold Tight
B. Offer Cincy
C. Offer UConn
D. Offer both UConn and Cincy

Cincy creates a nice swath from both Pitt to UL/ND and also the Carolinas to UL/ND. Helps tie in the UL/ND to the ACC.

UConn helps solidify the Tri-State area with ND/Cuse, New England with BC/ND. UConn with Cuse/ND/Pitt/Duke/UNC would kill the B1G in NYC for hoops.

How is this a question? Enthusiastic A, unless UCONN will join for basketball only with the understanding the football will never happen.

I wish UC all the luck in the world and think that they'd be great in the Big XII, but they aren't even close to being a good fit for the ACC.

(12-08-2014 04:20 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(12-08-2014 02:52 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  A. Hold Tight
B. Offer Cincy
C. Offer UConn
D. Offer both UConn and Cincy

Cincy creates a nice swath from both Pitt to UL/ND and also the Carolinas to UL/ND. Helps tie in the UL/ND to the ACC.

UConn helps solidify the Tri-State area with ND/Cuse, New England with BC/ND. UConn with Cuse/ND/Pitt/Duke/UNC would kill the B1G in NYC for hoops.

How is this a question? Enthusiastic A, unless UCONN will join for basketball only with the understanding the football will never happen.

I wish UC all the luck in the world and think that they'd be great in the Big XII, but they aren't even close to being a good fit for the ACC.

Listening to people like NMZ you would never know that we are .500 against the Orange juggernaut.

Adding Cincinnati and West Virginia really would stick a dagger in the Big 12 heart. Oklahoma and Texas would flee, Kansas would flee for the Big, leaving this for the Big 12 Big:

Iowa State
Kansas State
Oklahoma State
Texas Tech
TCU
Baylor
Memphis
Louisiana Tech
Houston
Colorado State
BYU
Boise

Big 12 would have to go west in this case (WVU leaving). BYU football only, CSU full time member, maybe UNM full time.

It has to be A or B since there is absolutely no way that the schools who care about football would willingly accept adding more dead football weight from the northeast in UConn.

(12-08-2014 04:57 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  It has to be A or B since there is absolutely no way that the schools who care about football would willingly accept adding more dead football weight from the northeast in UConn.

I have no delusions about our current football team, but let's not pretend Clemson is Johnny-clutch in football. Your team may be the most consistently overrated/underperforming school in the country. Hell, you all rushed the field after beating Louisville; a team even UConn has handled on the road.

Hold tight. Press home the enormous TV set advantage with an ACC network. When you start leaving the SEC in the dust on payouts, then move to try to bring in Tennessee.

(12-08-2014 05:01 PM)uconnwhaler Wrote:  

(12-08-2014 04:57 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  It has to be A or B since there is absolutely no way that the schools who care about football would willingly accept adding more dead football weight from the northeast in UConn.

I have no delusions about our current football team, but let's not pretend Clemson is Johnny-clutch in football. Your team may be the most consistently overrated/underperforming school in the country. Hell, you all rushed the field after beating Louisville; a team even UConn has handled on the road.

I guess your football ignorance knows no bounds. We didn't "rush the field" after beating Louisville. One of our traditions is after every home game, win or lose, the fans come out onto the field to meet with the players and coaches and sing the alma mater. It's called "Gathering at the Paw". Maybe next time you will not make such an ignorant, uninformed statement.

(12-08-2014 05:09 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(12-08-2014 05:01 PM)uconnwhaler Wrote:  

(12-08-2014 04:57 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  It has to be A or B since there is absolutely no way that the schools who care about football would willingly accept adding more dead football weight from the northeast in UConn.

I have no delusions about our current football team, but let's not pretend Clemson is Johnny-clutch in football. Your team may be the most consistently overrated/underperforming school in the country. Hell, you all rushed the field after beating Louisville; a team even UConn has handled on the road.

I guess your football ignorance knows no bounds. We didn't "rush the field" after beating Louisville. One of our traditions is after every home game, win or lose, the fans come out onto the field to meet with the players and coaches and sing the alma mater. It's called "Gathering at the Paw". Maybe next time you will not make such an ignorant, uninformed statement.

Nice try buddy. Watch this video at the 2:40 mark and you can see that is clearly a storm. In fact, even the host of the ACC Digital Network said "and they even stormed the field."

Here is the video:

I think the ACC has actually done pretty well with what it had to play with. Last year, there was a somewhat serious amount of chatter about the Big XII going after Clemson and FSU, which would have been deadly to the long term situation at the ACC. Unlike the Big XII, the ACC recognized that it was in a bad spot and had to act to get out of it. First, they needed to grab teams from the old Big East to stop the AAC from being part of the P5. Then they had to stop the Big XII from encroaching. Then they had to fend off the B1G.

They also, for some unknown reason, had to exclude WVU (probably due to internal politics in the AAC).

They saw all this coming and executed pretty well. But they were helped, immensely by other conferences acting stupidly. First dumb move - by the Big XII, which didn't take Louisville (a team that had sitting on a mens final four, a womens final four, a CWS berth, and a BCS bowl win) to go along with WVU. Dumb, dumb, dumb of the Big XII. Second dumb move was by the B1G, which filled up on a feast of Rutgers and Maryland when they probably could have gotten Georgia Tech and/or any number of better programs.

So the ACC took Louisville and got a scheduling agreement with ND.

As far as the ACC's next move....Stand pat. The threat isn't that another conference out expands them, but rather raids them (and for programs that mean something in the football order of things). Keep Florida State, Georgia Tech, Clemson, Louisville, and VT happy, instead of deferring to UNC/UVa. Because there really isn't much to be added that helps the ACC, other than adding WVU.

Even if TCU had managed to make the playoffs, its a bad situation for the Big XII. SEC competing with them in their Texas homeland. No real interest in the league outside of its Texoma heartland. The loss of market dominance in Kansas City. Pitt moving to the ACC takes away some of the marketing potential of WVU in Pittsburgh.

The GOR in the Big XII ends in six years. If there are a couple more seasons like this one, teams will start looking for the exits again. And this time, it will probably be OU/OSU saying screw this, we need to look out for number 1. If they went to the SEC....or even the Pac 12....it could force UT's hand. And that would probably be very bad news for Tech, Iowa State, Baylor, TCU, and probably Kansas, WVU, and Kansas State. This time, everyone knows that the Big XII will be under threat, especially if OU refuses to sign an extension of the GOR. But I wouldn't be surprised if they tried to pull off four of FSU, Georgia Tech, Louisville, Clemson, and VT first. ACC needs to keep them happy.

In short the threat is still there. But adding Cincy or Uconn isn't going to help the ACC. Nor will it help the Big XII

(12-08-2014 05:09 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  Hold tight. Press home the enormous TV set advantage with an ACC network. When you start leaving the SEC in the dust on payouts, then move to try to bring in Tennessee.

I think it would have to be a large dust cloud to entice a team to leave the SEC. Their fans would go ballistic.

You probably don't wanna go after the SEC. People don't mess with them for a reason. They've got stronger support than the other conferences. And they'd be quite formidible if they went after you. The SEC can expand in multiple directions too, by virtue of its geography.

No B1G team is bolting for the ACC. Neither would any SEC school.

(12-08-2014 04:08 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  Why would the ACC need to do anything?

They don't. They have offered a standing invite to ND for all sports. My guess is that nothing more will happen unless that occurs. A lot depends upon how the next playoff is structured. If they go to 8 as predicted..and 5 of those 8 spots are tied to the P5... is ND going to stay indy? That is a question IMO they are going to have to ponder seriously.

(12-08-2014 05:22 PM)uconnwhaler Wrote:  

(12-08-2014 05:09 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(12-08-2014 05:01 PM)uconnwhaler Wrote:  

(12-08-2014 04:57 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  It has to be A or B since there is absolutely no way that the schools who care about football would willingly accept adding more dead football weight from the northeast in UConn.

I have no delusions about our current football team, but let's not pretend Clemson is Johnny-clutch in football. Your team may be the most consistently overrated/underperforming school in the country. Hell, you all rushed the field after beating Louisville; a team even UConn has handled on the road.

I guess your football ignorance knows no bounds. We didn't "rush the field" after beating Louisville. One of our traditions is after every home game, win or lose, the fans come out onto the field to meet with the players and coaches and sing the alma mater. It's called "Gathering at the Paw". Maybe next time you will not make such an ignorant, uninformed statement.

Nice try buddy. Watch this video at the 2:40 mark and you can see that is clearly a storm. In fact, even the host of the ACC Digital Network said "and they even stormed the field."

Here is the video:

Ah...the ACC Digital Network. The bastion of football knowledge.

Here is the Clemson Athletics official Tweet after the Louisville game

https://twitter.com/clemsontigers/status...3090711552

Quote:"Gathering at the PAW." A great tradition, particularly after a hard-fought win! #ClemsonFamily

I guess we "stormed the field" after beating SC State last year



I know the tradition goes as far back as the late 1970's as I have a picture of me, my Father and my Brother with Jim Stuckey after a game, against Villanova I think.

(12-08-2014 05:46 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(12-08-2014 05:22 PM)uconnwhaler Wrote:  

(12-08-2014 05:09 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(12-08-2014 05:01 PM)uconnwhaler Wrote:  

(12-08-2014 04:57 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  It has to be A or B since there is absolutely no way that the schools who care about football would willingly accept adding more dead football weight from the northeast in UConn.

I have no delusions about our current football team, but let's not pretend Clemson is Johnny-clutch in football. Your team may be the most consistently overrated/underperforming school in the country. Hell, you all rushed the field after beating Louisville; a team even UConn has handled on the road.

I guess your football ignorance knows no bounds. We didn't "rush the field" after beating Louisville. One of our traditions is after every home game, win or lose, the fans come out onto the field to meet with the players and coaches and sing the alma mater. It's called "Gathering at the Paw". Maybe next time you will not make such an ignorant, uninformed statement.

Nice try buddy. Watch this video at the 2:40 mark and you can see that is clearly a storm. In fact, even the host of the ACC Digital Network said "and they even stormed the field."

Here is the video:

Ah...the ACC Digital Network. The bastion of football knowledge.

Here is the Clemson Athletics official Tweet after the Louisville game

https://twitter.com/clemsontigers/status...3090711552

Quote:"Gathering at the PAW." A great tradition, particularly after a hard-fought win! #ClemsonFamily

I guess we "stormed the field" after beating SC State last year



I know the tradition goes as far back as the late 1970's as I have a picture of me, my Father and my Brother with Jim Stuckey after a game, against Villanova I think.

I am aware of the tradition (I have been to three Clemson games and generally root for them), but you are showing pictures of a leisurely stroll against Villanova and I am giving you a video where it is clear your fans are running on the field in celebration.

In any event, I don't feel like we need to argue about this anymore. Good luck next season.

I think we're getting Texas, Oklahoma and Baylor for 16, 17 and 18. If we go to 20, TCU/Navy and Tulane/Navy. ND goes all in last but not least.
So, no, don't offer UC or UConn.