(12-08-2014 02:47 PM)HuskieJohn Wrote:  

(12-08-2014 02:37 PM)HuskieFootball Addict Wrote:  We already gave Carey an extension. Plus he gets a big bonus for winning the Mac West. Plus more for winning the whole enchilada, AND a bonus for getting us to a bowl game.
I think Rod Carey is making some pretty decent money.

My guess is PJ will be taken by a bigger program before Carey is. But who knows. We'll have to see how WMU does next year.

Does anyone know what Carey's bonus is?

DD's bonus for winning the MAC West was around 25k

Carey gets 25k for winning MAC West and 25k for winning MACC. He would have received $100k for making a playoff bowl game. I think he gets 10k for making any other bowl.

(12-08-2014 02:09 PM)7 Wrote:  Ever since the lead up to the WMU game, I've developed an extreme case of rabbit ears about NIU. Not saying it's a good thing, but it is what it is. So naturally I've spent my Monday at work looking at other people's boards talking about NIU.

I came across CMU fans talking about NIU, NIU's sustained success, and what happened at CMU. A couple of posts stood out to me.

Quote:So NIU has won the west 5 years in a row. They've had 3 head coaches and lost 2 of the most prolific QBs the MAC has ever seen. Why were they able to continue winning and yet we have had to suffer through garbage and mediocre seasons? It's really frustrating to see them dismantle BGSU and know we pissed away our opportunities this season.

Quote:Develop a successful system; win. Promote from within, keep said system; win. Promote from within, keep said system; win. Lather, rinse, repeat. What a novel approach, this idea of plug-and-play.

Hmmm.... Where have I heard this theory before.... Nah....

Bottom line - our bureaucrats could have chosen a similar path. For whatever reason, they did not. The predictable results were then achieved when Mr. Square Pegs Into Round Holes took over. At the end of the day, choices have consequences. Our consequences are 2-13 against NIU, UT and BSU, with 7-5 being spun as a "very good year." Dan, we have seen very good years in Mount Pleasant. We know what they look like. This was not one.

Quote:There is an old expression that sums it up very well, "If it ain't broke, don't fix it".

But Heeke decided otherwise. This type of decision goes against common sense. The only conclusion that I can draw is that Heeke thought that he was smarter that everyone else.

This arrogant attitude has cost CMU dearly, and apparently we will continue to suffer. Enos is not going anywhere. Next year, without Rawls ( who we were lucky to have in the first place ) and Davis, has all the makings of a very ugly year.

But there will be excuses made to justify another year of mediocrity, or worse. Attendance will be in the tank. But I can hear the excuses now

Chips

1. Maybe this would be a better offseason conversation than three days after winning the conference and before the bowl, but I think it's noteworthy for NIU.

2. I don't think Carey is going anywhere after this season. There's not the right mix of job openings. Obviously he's not going to get the Michigan job. Maybe that sets off a set of events that causes him to leave, but it seems doubtful at this point.

3. I'm sure GCD will chime in with we can worry about this if/when he leaves and Frazier will bring in his guy and blah blah blah.

You can say what you want about Compher and his scheduling and whatever else you want, but it looks pretty clear he made two really good coaching hires. The Doeren hire was made under some difficult circumstances, and I don't think promoting somebody as inexpierenced as Carey was a no brainer either.

I've made this point on here before, but I am extremely afraid of NIU losing Carey eventually and having to go out and start over. Yes, it worked out well with Doeren, but when you're playing russian roulette with coaches eventually you're going to lose.

I don't know if he did it as a favor to NIU or what exactly, but the fact Doeren left both coordinators behind when he went to State was a huge help to NIU. The head coach (Carey), the OC (Cole), and the DC (Niemann) were all leftover from the old staff, so you didn't have to change systems. All Carey had to do was fill in position coaches and go.

It would be really nice if by the time Carey leaves, there's an in house replacement in the wings. I realy like what Niemann has done with the defense, but I'm not sure if he would be the guy. Although he was a head coach at the DIII level for 5 years.

Cole? Yeah, he's not going to be a head coach, although there's been speculation on here that he may not be back, so maybe the new guy could possibly be next in line?

I know myself and HuskieJohn are big Kevin Kane fans, but he doesn't have any OC/DC coordinating expierence. Although he is a special teams coordinator, and we've seen from the likes of Peej and Hazell at Purdue, you don't always have to have coordinating expierence. He's coached on both sides of the ball which is an added bonus. I had a conversation with a player on Saturday who talked about how much he loves Kane too.

This is more me thinking out loud and getting into offseason mode, but I really hope whenever Carey goes they have an in house option ready. Or maybe at worse, Canada (Matt, not Juwan) is always an option.

In any event, NIU needs to give Carey an extension and raise this offeason. He's earned it. Peej just got one from WMU.

You strike me as a fairly intelligent football fan, Seven. I can't quite figure out why you fail to see the smoke and mirrors that is Carey's coaching ability. Hopefully, when you do finally grasp it, he will have already moved on and NIU will be under someone else's steady hand.

(12-09-2014 06:03 AM)VegasHuskie Wrote:  

(12-08-2014 02:09 PM)7 Wrote:  Ever since the lead up to the WMU game, I've developed an extreme case of rabbit ears about NIU. Not saying it's a good thing, but it is what it is. So naturally I've spent my Monday at work looking at other people's boards talking about NIU.

I came across CMU fans talking about NIU, NIU's sustained success, and what happened at CMU. A couple of posts stood out to me.

Quote:So NIU has won the west 5 years in a row. They've had 3 head coaches and lost 2 of the most prolific QBs the MAC has ever seen. Why were they able to continue winning and yet we have had to suffer through garbage and mediocre seasons? It's really frustrating to see them dismantle BGSU and know we pissed away our opportunities this season.

Quote:Develop a successful system; win. Promote from within, keep said system; win. Promote from within, keep said system; win. Lather, rinse, repeat. What a novel approach, this idea of plug-and-play.

Hmmm.... Where have I heard this theory before.... Nah....

Bottom line - our bureaucrats could have chosen a similar path. For whatever reason, they did not. The predictable results were then achieved when Mr. Square Pegs Into Round Holes took over. At the end of the day, choices have consequences. Our consequences are 2-13 against NIU, UT and BSU, with 7-5 being spun as a "very good year." Dan, we have seen very good years in Mount Pleasant. We know what they look like. This was not one.

Quote:There is an old expression that sums it up very well, "If it ain't broke, don't fix it".

But Heeke decided otherwise. This type of decision goes against common sense. The only conclusion that I can draw is that Heeke thought that he was smarter that everyone else.

This arrogant attitude has cost CMU dearly, and apparently we will continue to suffer. Enos is not going anywhere. Next year, without Rawls ( who we were lucky to have in the first place ) and Davis, has all the makings of a very ugly year.

But there will be excuses made to justify another year of mediocrity, or worse. Attendance will be in the tank. But I can hear the excuses now

Chips

1. Maybe this would be a better offseason conversation than three days after winning the conference and before the bowl, but I think it's noteworthy for NIU.

2. I don't think Carey is going anywhere after this season. There's not the right mix of job openings. Obviously he's not going to get the Michigan job. Maybe that sets off a set of events that causes him to leave, but it seems doubtful at this point.

3. I'm sure GCD will chime in with we can worry about this if/when he leaves and Frazier will bring in his guy and blah blah blah.

You can say what you want about Compher and his scheduling and whatever else you want, but it looks pretty clear he made two really good coaching hires. The Doeren hire was made under some difficult circumstances, and I don't think promoting somebody as inexpierenced as Carey was a no brainer either.

I've made this point on here before, but I am extremely afraid of NIU losing Carey eventually and having to go out and start over. Yes, it worked out well with Doeren, but when you're playing russian roulette with coaches eventually you're going to lose.

I don't know if he did it as a favor to NIU or what exactly, but the fact Doeren left both coordinators behind when he went to State was a huge help to NIU. The head coach (Carey), the OC (Cole), and the DC (Niemann) were all leftover from the old staff, so you didn't have to change systems. All Carey had to do was fill in position coaches and go.

It would be really nice if by the time Carey leaves, there's an in house replacement in the wings. I realy like what Niemann has done with the defense, but I'm not sure if he would be the guy. Although he was a head coach at the DIII level for 5 years.

Cole? Yeah, he's not going to be a head coach, although there's been speculation on here that he may not be back, so maybe the new guy could possibly be next in line?

I know myself and HuskieJohn are big Kevin Kane fans, but he doesn't have any OC/DC coordinating expierence. Although he is a special teams coordinator, and we've seen from the likes of Peej and Hazell at Purdue, you don't always have to have coordinating expierence. He's coached on both sides of the ball which is an added bonus. I had a conversation with a player on Saturday who talked about how much he loves Kane too.

This is more me thinking out loud and getting into offseason mode, but I really hope whenever Carey goes they have an in house option ready. Or maybe at worse, Canada (Matt, not Juwan) is always an option.

In any event, NIU needs to give Carey an extension and raise this offeason. He's earned it. Peej just got one from WMU.

You strike me as a fairly intelligent football fan, Seven. I can't quite figure out why you fail to see the smoke and mirrors that is Carey's coaching ability. Hopefully, when you do finally grasp it, he will have already moved on and NIU will be under someone else's steady hand.

You're right. 7 is an intelligent football fan. Something you, are obviously not.

(12-09-2014 06:03 AM)VegasHuskie Wrote:  

(12-08-2014 02:09 PM)7 Wrote:  Ever since the lead up to the WMU game, I've developed an extreme case of rabbit ears about NIU. Not saying it's a good thing, but it is what it is. So naturally I've spent my Monday at work looking at other people's boards talking about NIU.

I came across CMU fans talking about NIU, NIU's sustained success, and what happened at CMU. A couple of posts stood out to me.

Quote:So NIU has won the west 5 years in a row. They've had 3 head coaches and lost 2 of the most prolific QBs the MAC has ever seen. Why were they able to continue winning and yet we have had to suffer through garbage and mediocre seasons? It's really frustrating to see them dismantle BGSU and know we pissed away our opportunities this season.

Quote:Develop a successful system; win. Promote from within, keep said system; win. Promote from within, keep said system; win. Lather, rinse, repeat. What a novel approach, this idea of plug-and-play.

Hmmm.... Where have I heard this theory before.... Nah....

Bottom line - our bureaucrats could have chosen a similar path. For whatever reason, they did not. The predictable results were then achieved when Mr. Square Pegs Into Round Holes took over. At the end of the day, choices have consequences. Our consequences are 2-13 against NIU, UT and BSU, with 7-5 being spun as a "very good year." Dan, we have seen very good years in Mount Pleasant. We know what they look like. This was not one.

Quote:There is an old expression that sums it up very well, "If it ain't broke, don't fix it".

But Heeke decided otherwise. This type of decision goes against common sense. The only conclusion that I can draw is that Heeke thought that he was smarter that everyone else.

This arrogant attitude has cost CMU dearly, and apparently we will continue to suffer. Enos is not going anywhere. Next year, without Rawls ( who we were lucky to have in the first place ) and Davis, has all the makings of a very ugly year.

But there will be excuses made to justify another year of mediocrity, or worse. Attendance will be in the tank. But I can hear the excuses now

Chips

1. Maybe this would be a better offseason conversation than three days after winning the conference and before the bowl, but I think it's noteworthy for NIU.

2. I don't think Carey is going anywhere after this season. There's not the right mix of job openings. Obviously he's not going to get the Michigan job. Maybe that sets off a set of events that causes him to leave, but it seems doubtful at this point.

3. I'm sure GCD will chime in with we can worry about this if/when he leaves and Frazier will bring in his guy and blah blah blah.

You can say what you want about Compher and his scheduling and whatever else you want, but it looks pretty clear he made two really good coaching hires. The Doeren hire was made under some difficult circumstances, and I don't think promoting somebody as inexpierenced as Carey was a no brainer either.

I've made this point on here before, but I am extremely afraid of NIU losing Carey eventually and having to go out and start over. Yes, it worked out well with Doeren, but when you're playing russian roulette with coaches eventually you're going to lose.

I don't know if he did it as a favor to NIU or what exactly, but the fact Doeren left both coordinators behind when he went to State was a huge help to NIU. The head coach (Carey), the OC (Cole), and the DC (Niemann) were all leftover from the old staff, so you didn't have to change systems. All Carey had to do was fill in position coaches and go.

It would be really nice if by the time Carey leaves, there's an in house replacement in the wings. I realy like what Niemann has done with the defense, but I'm not sure if he would be the guy. Although he was a head coach at the DIII level for 5 years.

Cole? Yeah, he's not going to be a head coach, although there's been speculation on here that he may not be back, so maybe the new guy could possibly be next in line?

I know myself and HuskieJohn are big Kevin Kane fans, but he doesn't have any OC/DC coordinating expierence. Although he is a special teams coordinator, and we've seen from the likes of Peej and Hazell at Purdue, you don't always have to have coordinating expierence. He's coached on both sides of the ball which is an added bonus. I had a conversation with a player on Saturday who talked about how much he loves Kane too.

This is more me thinking out loud and getting into offseason mode, but I really hope whenever Carey goes they have an in house option ready. Or maybe at worse, Canada (Matt, not Juwan) is always an option.

In any event, NIU needs to give Carey an extension and raise this offeason. He's earned it. Peej just got one from WMU.

You strike me as a fairly intelligent football fan, Seven. I can't quite figure out why you fail to see the smoke and mirrors that is Carey's coaching ability. Hopefully, when you do finally grasp it, he will have already moved on and NIU will be under someone else's steady hand.

After this season there is no way you can say that. Carey, etal won a MACC the year after losing the entire Dline, Ward and Lynch with one of the youngest rosters in the country.

I told my self during the summer this season would test Carey, 8-4 would be a success. Well NIU far exceeded my expectations and most certainly Carey had a lot to do with that.

Wonder if one of our coaches leaves that you may see Don Beebe join our staff?

(12-09-2014 06:03 AM)VegasHuskie Wrote:  

(12-08-2014 02:09 PM)7 Wrote:  Ever since the lead up to the WMU game, I've developed an extreme case of rabbit ears about NIU. Not saying it's a good thing, but it is what it is. So naturally I've spent my Monday at work looking at other people's boards talking about NIU.

I came across CMU fans talking about NIU, NIU's sustained success, and what happened at CMU. A couple of posts stood out to me.

Quote:So NIU has won the west 5 years in a row. They've had 3 head coaches and lost 2 of the most prolific QBs the MAC has ever seen. Why were they able to continue winning and yet we have had to suffer through garbage and mediocre seasons? It's really frustrating to see them dismantle BGSU and know we pissed away our opportunities this season.

Quote:Develop a successful system; win. Promote from within, keep said system; win. Promote from within, keep said system; win. Lather, rinse, repeat. What a novel approach, this idea of plug-and-play.

Hmmm.... Where have I heard this theory before.... Nah....

Bottom line - our bureaucrats could have chosen a similar path. For whatever reason, they did not. The predictable results were then achieved when Mr. Square Pegs Into Round Holes took over. At the end of the day, choices have consequences. Our consequences are 2-13 against NIU, UT and BSU, with 7-5 being spun as a "very good year." Dan, we have seen very good years in Mount Pleasant. We know what they look like. This was not one.

Quote:There is an old expression that sums it up very well, "If it ain't broke, don't fix it".

But Heeke decided otherwise. This type of decision goes against common sense. The only conclusion that I can draw is that Heeke thought that he was smarter that everyone else.

This arrogant attitude has cost CMU dearly, and apparently we will continue to suffer. Enos is not going anywhere. Next year, without Rawls ( who we were lucky to have in the first place ) and Davis, has all the makings of a very ugly year.

But there will be excuses made to justify another year of mediocrity, or worse. Attendance will be in the tank. But I can hear the excuses now

Chips

1. Maybe this would be a better offseason conversation than three days after winning the conference and before the bowl, but I think it's noteworthy for NIU.

2. I don't think Carey is going anywhere after this season. There's not the right mix of job openings. Obviously he's not going to get the Michigan job. Maybe that sets off a set of events that causes him to leave, but it seems doubtful at this point.

3. I'm sure GCD will chime in with we can worry about this if/when he leaves and Frazier will bring in his guy and blah blah blah.

You can say what you want about Compher and his scheduling and whatever else you want, but it looks pretty clear he made two really good coaching hires. The Doeren hire was made under some difficult circumstances, and I don't think promoting somebody as inexpierenced as Carey was a no brainer either.

I've made this point on here before, but I am extremely afraid of NIU losing Carey eventually and having to go out and start over. Yes, it worked out well with Doeren, but when you're playing russian roulette with coaches eventually you're going to lose.

I don't know if he did it as a favor to NIU or what exactly, but the fact Doeren left both coordinators behind when he went to State was a huge help to NIU. The head coach (Carey), the OC (Cole), and the DC (Niemann) were all leftover from the old staff, so you didn't have to change systems. All Carey had to do was fill in position coaches and go.

It would be really nice if by the time Carey leaves, there's an in house replacement in the wings. I realy like what Niemann has done with the defense, but I'm not sure if he would be the guy. Although he was a head coach at the DIII level for 5 years.

Cole? Yeah, he's not going to be a head coach, although there's been speculation on here that he may not be back, so maybe the new guy could possibly be next in line?

I know myself and HuskieJohn are big Kevin Kane fans, but he doesn't have any OC/DC coordinating expierence. Although he is a special teams coordinator, and we've seen from the likes of Peej and Hazell at Purdue, you don't always have to have coordinating expierence. He's coached on both sides of the ball which is an added bonus. I had a conversation with a player on Saturday who talked about how much he loves Kane too.

This is more me thinking out loud and getting into offseason mode, but I really hope whenever Carey goes they have an in house option ready. Or maybe at worse, Canada (Matt, not Juwan) is always an option.

In any event, NIU needs to give Carey an extension and raise this offeason. He's earned it. Peej just got one from WMU.

You strike me as a fairly intelligent football fan, Seven. I can't quite figure out why you fail to see the smoke and mirrors that is Carey's coaching ability. Hopefully, when you do finally grasp it, he will have already moved on and NIU will be under someone else's steady hand.

Nothing says smoke and mirrors quite like an 11-2, MAC Championship season for a team that lost it's QB/Heisman Finalist, played a boatload of very young/inexperienced/both players on defense thanks to losing a first round pick at safety and the entire starting defensive line, won a game in a Big Ten stadium when a safety started at QB, saw arguably it's best defensive player (Bass) play 3 games all year and it's #1/#2 receiver (depending on how you look at Lewis) play 2 games all year, and winning a boatload of close games before playing their best in their biggest game.

You're right. I hope Carey leaves. Did an awful job this season with a team made for greatness.