(12-08-2014 09:14 AM)The Knight Time Wrote:  

(12-08-2014 09:09 AM)AACtopER Wrote:  

(12-08-2014 09:00 AM)The Knight Time Wrote:  Would you please stop saying Boise? They've been good for the past 12 years yet have been passed over time and time again and will be so in the future.

As good as they are, no one wants a presence in Idaho and their academics raise questions for conferences looking.

BYU is the same story. They've had great fan support and good teams for a LONG time. Yet have been passed over. And yes, it's directly related to the Mormon issue and specifically their list of demands for a conference to abide by.

It essentially boils down to UCF, Cincy, Memphis, and possibly ECU.

They're going to want a program with a "name" already attached, fan support, and TV market exposure.

Seriously you beat us on a lucky hail mary pass and all of a sudden the top of the list...

I am sick of hearing us being put down....

Cinnci you won on a 45 yard field goal, and UCF you won on a fkup by our coach.

for god sakes we put up 21 point and 19 points in 4th quarter. Our team was undiscplined and our coaches lacked vision.



Pirate nation is live and well, we are still the team to beat a top 25 team and put up 70 on instate p5....

We will take this ish out on FL. HAHA and we still got the best bowl/opponent.

With that being said, Cinnci and UCF.... UCF you will beat NC state. Cinnci you will lose to Vtech....

Wow, someone is butthurt that they lost, huh?

How old are you, 12?

nope actually not, we soaked in all the attention and fame earlier this year with being ranked and beating two p5 mercilessly.

UCF you are one magical team, lmao. pun intended.

It's been stated roughly 2000000 times by the Big 12 that they DO NOT WANT TO DILUTE THEIR TV REVENUE SHARES PER TEAM.

Therefore they frankly don't care about geography and don't care about records amongst G5 teams.

They want the best teams with the best markets who are competition ready and have existing fanbases/facilities that are already built.

In other words, they'll ONLY expand if the candidate teams will increase the total pot of TV money and expand each team's share.

(12-08-2014 09:20 AM)AACtopER Wrote:  

(12-08-2014 09:14 AM)The Knight Time Wrote:  

(12-08-2014 09:09 AM)AACtopER Wrote:  

(12-08-2014 09:00 AM)The Knight Time Wrote:  Would you please stop saying Boise? They've been good for the past 12 years yet have been passed over time and time again and will be so in the future.

As good as they are, no one wants a presence in Idaho and their academics raise questions for conferences looking.

BYU is the same story. They've had great fan support and good teams for a LONG time. Yet have been passed over. And yes, it's directly related to the Mormon issue and specifically their list of demands for a conference to abide by.

It essentially boils down to UCF, Cincy, Memphis, and possibly ECU.

They're going to want a program with a "name" already attached, fan support, and TV market exposure.

Seriously you beat us on a lucky hail mary pass and all of a sudden the top of the list...

I am sick of hearing us being put down....

Cinnci you won on a 45 yard field goal, and UCF you won on a fkup by our coach.

for god sakes we put up 21 point and 19 points in 4th quarter. Our team was undiscplined and our coaches lacked vision.



Pirate nation is live and well, we are still the team to beat a top 25 team and put up 70 on instate p5....

We will take this ish out on FL. HAHA and we still got the best bowl/opponent.

With that being said, Cinnci and UCF.... UCF you will beat NC state. Cinnci you will lose to Vtech....

Wow, someone is butthurt that they lost, huh?

How old are you, 12?

nope actually not, we soaked in all the attention and fame earlier this year with being ranked and beating two p5 mercilessly.

UCF you are one magical team, lmao. pun intended.

I can't tell if you're trolling or are in fact a 12 year old.

(12-08-2014 09:21 AM)The Knight Time Wrote:  It's been stated roughly 2000000 times by the Big 12 that they DO NOT WANT TO DILUTE THEIR TV REVENUE SHARES PER TEAM.

Therefore they frankly don't care about geography and don't care about records amongst G5 teams.

They want the best teams with the best markets who are competition ready and have existing fanbases/facilities that are already built.

In other words, they'll ONLY expand if the candidate teams will increase the total pot of TV money and expand each team's share.

I dont see us being left out. 50k seats, rabid fans, Football sweet heart of NC, fastest growing school in NC. Constant killing of instate p5 schools.

I am sorry but i dont see UCF and USF ever getting a call... How does a state with UFL, Florida state, Miami with SEC and ACC foothold get any room. These teams are the best football can offer, no conference wants this already saturated market. Outside of Orlando where does UCF survive.

ECU covers almost all of everything east of i-95

(12-08-2014 09:21 AM)The Knight Time Wrote:  

(12-08-2014 09:20 AM)AACtopER Wrote:  

(12-08-2014 09:14 AM)The Knight Time Wrote:  

(12-08-2014 09:09 AM)AACtopER Wrote:  

(12-08-2014 09:00 AM)The Knight Time Wrote:  Would you please stop saying Boise? They've been good for the past 12 years yet have been passed over time and time again and will be so in the future.

As good as they are, no one wants a presence in Idaho and their academics raise questions for conferences looking.

BYU is the same story. They've had great fan support and good teams for a LONG time. Yet have been passed over. And yes, it's directly related to the Mormon issue and specifically their list of demands for a conference to abide by.

It essentially boils down to UCF, Cincy, Memphis, and possibly ECU.

They're going to want a program with a "name" already attached, fan support, and TV market exposure.

Seriously you beat us on a lucky hail mary pass and all of a sudden the top of the list...

I am sick of hearing us being put down....

Cinnci you won on a 45 yard field goal, and UCF you won on a fkup by our coach.

for god sakes we put up 21 point and 19 points in 4th quarter. Our team was undiscplined and our coaches lacked vision.



Pirate nation is live and well, we are still the team to beat a top 25 team and put up 70 on instate p5....

We will take this ish out on FL. HAHA and we still got the best bowl/opponent.

With that being said, Cinnci and UCF.... UCF you will beat NC state. Cinnci you will lose to Vtech....

Wow, someone is butthurt that they lost, huh?

How old are you, 12?

nope actually not, we soaked in all the attention and fame earlier this year with being ranked and beating two p5 mercilessly.

UCF you are one magical team, lmao. pun intended.

I can't tell if you're trolling or are in fact a 12 year old.

Dude why are you worried about my age. I am probably old enough to not be interested in Disney World, sorry

Am I crazy or doesn't NC already have 4 ACC teams? Seems like the state is pretty well covered and saturated! oh noz!!

And Florida has more tahn double the population of NC.

Oh boy, ECU has no shot!!

UCONN is one of the biggest brands and has the highest revenue of any G5 program (048. University of Connecticut - $71,237,970). If a Big 12 Network ever does come about, they would get New England/NYC and a lot of content.

Despite its geography, they'd be idiots not to at least consider UCONN.

Husky-Colored Glasses Off:

Cincinnati is a given. Who they pair with them is still a big question mark IMO.

Take us with you whoever goes

Geographic location is no longer an issue for football. B12 wisest choice is to add BYU and Boise St for football only. BSU back to WAC for Olympic sports. BYU has the money to buy out enough games to join. Boise St success in football helps them and remember when the Big East was trying to get them and they backed out when the BCS status went away? If expansion happens, I would put my money on this scenario. It is the simplest and quickest. In addition, when was the last time major bowls were played on Sunday? The NFL owns Sunday. If the 31st or 1st falls on Sunday, the games would be played Sat and Mon. The Sunday argument is a red herring. It sets up well for Boise and BYU to join if the B12 wants them. Games BYU would need to buy out for 2015.

Has Neb and Boise on the schedule next year plus a TBA game.
Buy out, probably 6 million at worst.
UCONN
ECU
CINCI
FRESNO
Utah St
San Jose

OOC Keep
Michigan
UCLA
Missouri

BSU
Has no games to buy out except their way out of MWC
OOC Wash, Idaho St, UVA and BYU

Finally, odds are B12 drops back to 8 games conference schedule as well with 8 teams. AAC just hit with unfortunate timing once again, really no ones fault.

I don't think we'll be called up. Our only real hope is if WVU asks for us specifically because they like to recruit NC and our attendance numbers would be less embarrassing than the other options. I'd give us maybe a 5-10% shot of getting the call if BXII adds 2 in the next year or so. Less if BYU gets in. With a BYU add I would assume either UCF or Cinnci with UCF the stronger of the two possibilities. Then again they could always jump on CSU and just say **** it to eastward expansion. Most of our schools don't have many institutional or cultural similarities to the BXII so markets and recruiting potential have to be a top consideration.

(12-08-2014 09:21 AM)The Knight Time Wrote:  It's been stated roughly 2000000 times by the Big 12 that they DO NOT WANT TO DILUTE THEIR TV REVENUE SHARES PER TEAM.

Therefore they frankly don't care about geography and don't care about records amongst G5 teams.

They want the best teams with the best markets who are competition ready and have existing fanbases/facilities that are already built.

In other words, they'll ONLY expand if the candidate teams will increase the total pot of TV money and expand each team's share.

I concur with you. That is why I say if they expand, it will be BYU and either Air Fore or Boise as Football only. The main reasons that really only matter is because ESPN is already willing to pay more and/or do special deals with BYU and Boise while Air Force is a national team. TV drives the boat for any expansion solely and it will not be about local markets, but national tv appeal.

(12-08-2014 08:51 AM)ECBrad Wrote:  Cinnci is a good option but not a guarantee or anything. They have a small stadium even with the expansion and are barely even the most popular team in their own city. Plus they wouldn't bring any real recruiting advantage from ohio that ecu doesn't already have on their own. They do have a lot of things going for them just everyone seems to talk like they are a home run.

Let's see Ohio HS football compared to NC HS football. You must be smoking something because Ohio is a hotbed for recruiting behind only Calif, TX and Florida.

I'm saying that WVU already has the ties to recruit Ohio appropriately. I don't know why I put ECU there I meant to write WVU. I'll edit that. Guess I have purple on the mind haha.

I'd be shocked if Cinci didn't get in. I think BYU would fit them perfectly, but the outside factors hurt their case. Boise has no chance. I honestly like our chances, I would love our chances if USF offered any added value as part of a package. Memphis' rise in football this year makes them very intriguing.

(12-08-2014 09:30 AM)ECUgradstudent Wrote:  

(12-08-2014 09:21 AM)The Knight Time Wrote:  It's been stated roughly 2000000 times by the Big 12 that they DO NOT WANT TO DILUTE THEIR TV REVENUE SHARES PER TEAM.

Therefore they frankly don't care about geography and don't care about records amongst G5 teams.

They want the best teams with the best markets who are competition ready and have existing fanbases/facilities that are already built.

In other words, they'll ONLY expand if the candidate teams will increase the total pot of TV money and expand each team's share.

I concur with you. That is why I say if they expand, it will be BYU and either Air Fore or Boise as Football only. The main reasons that really only matter is because ESPN is already willing to pay more and/or do special deals with BYU and Boise while Air Force is a national team. TV drives the boat for any expansion solely and it will not be about local markets, but national tv appeal.

The B12 will never have a Football only member. They are not striving to be the next AAC (i.e. Navy). East Carolina is going nowhere. Cincy and Memphis are the only AAC teams in play and unless BYU has gotten some clearance from the Mormon church they are not going to B12 either. Colorado State and Boise State have a slim chance, if B12 does not pick Memphis and/or Cincy.

I see it going one of two ways of they go to 12:

WV comes to the AAC and the Big 12 picks up BYU, Boise, and SDSU
WV stays and the Big 12 adds 2 of Cincy, UCF, and ECU.

The Big 12 is a historically football first conference so Memphis gets left behind for now.

If I was the Big 12 I would do this:

WVU
Texas
Baylor
Iowa State
Cincy
UCF
ECU/Memphis (depending on if they want FB or BB)

Kansas
Kansas State
Oklahoma
Oklahoma State
TCU
Texas Tech
BYU/Boise

While unrealistic, this allows them to keep WVU with reduced travel expenses while also grabbing the best western addition that they can. Iowa State can go West if Boise and BYU say no and the Big 12 adds 4 eastern based schools.


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(12-08-2014 09:29 AM)TforTempleU Wrote:  Take us with you whoever goes

I have no idea who would or would not be picked. I don't see Boise as one picked, TV would be the driving force and Boise has no market size.

Byu without stipulation would be a home run, but they will always have stipulations.

Cincy has real advantages, and disadvantages, but would have to be near the top of the list.

UCONN is out of the way, but has tons of positives in its favor, Same for UCF or USF.

The same things that made ECU down the list on BE still apply.
Memphis has a lot of positives.

Without BYU I really can't see B12 going west, so I guess some combo of Cincy, UCF, Memphis, and USF would be most likely, but who knows what matrix they will use.

(12-08-2014 09:38 AM)BlueRaiderBoy Wrote:  

(12-08-2014 09:30 AM)ECUgradstudent Wrote:  

(12-08-2014 09:21 AM)The Knight Time Wrote:  It's been stated roughly 2000000 times by the Big 12 that they DO NOT WANT TO DILUTE THEIR TV REVENUE SHARES PER TEAM.

Therefore they frankly don't care about geography and don't care about records amongst G5 teams.

They want the best teams with the best markets who are competition ready and have existing fanbases/facilities that are already built.

In other words, they'll ONLY expand if the candidate teams will increase the total pot of TV money and expand each team's share.

I concur with you. That is why I say if they expand, it will be BYU and either Air Fore or Boise as Football only. The main reasons that really only matter is because ESPN is already willing to pay more and/or do special deals with BYU and Boise while Air Force is a national team. TV drives the boat for any expansion solely and it will not be about local markets, but national tv appeal.

The B12 will never have a Football only member. They are not striving to be the next AAC (i.e. Navy). East Carolina is going nowhere. Cincy and Memphis are the only AAC teams in play and unless BYU has gotten some clearance from the Mormon church they are not going to B12 either. Colorado State and Boise State have a slim chance, if B12 does not pick Memphis and/or Cincy.

Thanks for mentioning ECU, but notice I did not mention ECU in my post. However, always nice to be thought of highly enough to have a shot taken at us when not relevant to the actual post; sign of respect.

(12-08-2014 09:42 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  I have no idea who would or would not be picked. I don't see Boise as one picked, TV would be the driving force and Boise has no market size.

Byu without stipulation would be a home run, but they will always have stipulations.

Cincy has real advantages, and disadvantages, but would have to be near the top of the list.

UCONN is out of the way, but has tons of positives in its favor, Same for UCF or USF.

The same things that made ECU down the list on BE still apply.
Memphis has a lot of positives.

Without BYU I really can't see B12 going west, so I guess some combo of Cincy, UCF, Memphis, and USF would be most likely, but who knows what matrix they will use.

Boise does not need a local market. They have national and ESPN appeal as shown by ratings, games ESPN set up for them, deals Big East and MWC gave them, and etc.

Not sure the last couple of years have not made BYU more humble and changed their stipulations alot. The BIG 12 deal on third teir rights covers their BYU TV concerns. Makes them a smaller Texas/Longhorn network situation.