(12-11-2014 11:12 AM)AntiG Wrote:  

(12-07-2014 04:34 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(12-07-2014 04:24 PM)FonzKnight Wrote:  The 'directional school' is the dumbest argument ever. Changing our name from UCF to The University of Orlando would change what, exactly? It's amazing how much USC has been overlooked over the years, right?

ok, lets take directional out if it. You ve played football in division 1 for 18 years. You ve been a university for how many years?? Don't you realize how the lack of tradition alone is a bad thing? Name me a P5 school playing football for under 20 years? Name me a P5 school that wasn't a school 100 years ago? Most have not only had football since the late 1800's, but have been schools for 150 years

Texas Tech was founded 1923, which is less than 100 years. I'm sure there are other P5s as well.

You got me. Texas Tech only has a measly 92 year history with said schools not 100. Since we're going down this road, please list all the P5 schools with less than 100 years of existence. I'm sure there's a bunch more you can roll out as examples right? Way to nitpick. Cheers!

(12-11-2014 05:53 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  

(12-11-2014 11:18 AM)AntiG Wrote:  

(12-07-2014 07:18 PM)FonzKnight Wrote:  

(12-07-2014 06:57 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(12-07-2014 05:44 PM)FonzKnight Wrote:  Well in that case, Yale and Army should absolutely be locks for the last two Big12 spots.

way to deflect. You don't like my opinion so you just smart a$$, snarky replies. Your obviously interested in my opinion because your replying to my posts so why not give me reasons on why UCF is a big 12 candidate and the schools I mentioned aren't? I'm not going to fight with you, but I d love to have a discussion with you..

Well ive obviously hit a nerve. My point was your argument was nonsensical-- because a school name has a direction in it does not take away from their accomplishments. A schools tradition from the 1800s does nothing for who they are today.

The real argument is that UCF is a top 20 media market in the fertile Florida recruiting grounds with back to back conference winning teams. UCF has proven they can hang in the conference by defeating the Big12s champion en route to a top ten finish less than 12 months ago.

What any other program did in the 90s who might have 'State' at the end of their name does not trump that.

Yeah, the directional school thing is silly and certainly shouldn't disqualify a school from everything when it has all other factors going for it. Basically if the school renamed itself "University of Florida at Orlando" it'd be no different than Cal or UCLA in terms of name.

Ufo?!

Jared, your statement, " Basically if the school renamed itself "University of Florida at Orlando" it'd be no different than Cal or UCLA in terms of name.", when compared to UCLA is absolutely correct. I've been trying to take the name out of the discussion but that seems to be impossible with a couple of UCF fans on this thread. Whether your school is named UCF, UFC or UFO it's a brand new school compared to the rest of the P5 with a brand new football team compared to the rest of the P5. And I'm not talking about a few years or a decade or even 3 or 4 decades. UCF came knocking on the door to the party a century after the party started. That may not matter to you, but if college football is about anything it's about tradition. Not a tradition of winning, but tradition. Picture old money guys at a country club, picking who they want in their membership. Those old guys have never heard of UCF, and it wouldn't matter if your name was indeed UFO instead.

(12-07-2014 04:24 PM)FonzKnight Wrote:  The 'directional school' is the dumbest argument ever. Changing our name from UCF to The University of Orlando would change what, exactly? It's amazing how much USC has been overlooked over the years, right?

The lame USC argument. USC is essentially grandfathered in because of there age PLUS they are a private school. Apples & Oranges. Changing our name to University of Orlando might help a little but not much, it's still a regional name with regional appeal. Something with "Florida" in it is the best bet to changing perception.

(12-10-2014 05:51 PM)Knightbengal Wrote:  

(12-10-2014 01:45 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(12-07-2014 04:04 PM)Knightbengal Wrote:  Directional school in name only. Memphis academics suck compared to UCF. So I guess 20 years of losing is a better tradition lol

Why not just change the name and the perception instead of trying to swim upstream?

Brand equity for one and what name would you change it to that isn't taken and ties to our region? I can't think of any?

FTU and not FIT. I know that there is already one. If UCF(FTU) is on national tv, people will just call it "Florida Tech" by nature regardless of the fact that there is another "Florida Tech".

(12-13-2014 02:23 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(12-11-2014 05:53 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  

(12-11-2014 11:18 AM)AntiG Wrote:  

(12-07-2014 07:18 PM)FonzKnight Wrote:  

(12-07-2014 06:57 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  way to deflect. You don't like my opinion so you just smart a$$, snarky replies. Your obviously interested in my opinion because your replying to my posts so why not give me reasons on why UCF is a big 12 candidate and the schools I mentioned aren't? I'm not going to fight with you, but I d love to have a discussion with you..

Well ive obviously hit a nerve. My point was your argument was nonsensical-- because a school name has a direction in it does not take away from their accomplishments. A schools tradition from the 1800s does nothing for who they are today.

The real argument is that UCF is a top 20 media market in the fertile Florida recruiting grounds with back to back conference winning teams. UCF has proven they can hang in the conference by defeating the Big12s champion en route to a top ten finish less than 12 months ago.

What any other program did in the 90s who might have 'State' at the end of their name does not trump that.

Yeah, the directional school thing is silly and certainly shouldn't disqualify a school from everything when it has all other factors going for it. Basically if the school renamed itself "University of Florida at Orlando" it'd be no different than Cal or UCLA in terms of name.

Ufo?!

Jared, your statement, " Basically if the school renamed itself "University of Florida at Orlando" it'd be no different than Cal or UCLA in terms of name.", when compared to UCLA is absolutely correct. I've been trying to take the name out of the discussion but that seems to be impossible with a couple of UCF fans on this thread. Whether your school is named UCF, UFC or UFO it's a brand new school compared to the rest of the P5 with a brand new football team compared to the rest of the P5. And I'm not talking about a few years or a decade or even 3 or 4 decades. UCF came knocking on the door to the party a century after the party started. That may not matter to you, but if college football is about anything it's about tradition. Not a tradition of winning, but tradition. Picture old money guys at a country club, picking who they want in their membership. Those old guys have never heard of UCF, and it wouldn't matter if your name was indeed UFO instead.

There's nothing wrong with UCF that's why we rebranded from the university of central Florida. No one calls USC, Southern California. No one calls ucla well you know. No one calls Cal, UC Berkeley unless they're trying to differentiate between the UC schools. No one calls Fresno state, the California state university of Fresno. They don't do that cause they've branded that way. Changing our name to the university of Florida orlando would just put us in UF's shadow, not unlike if ECU branded as UNC Greenville.

(12-13-2014 02:23 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(12-11-2014 05:53 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  

(12-11-2014 11:18 AM)AntiG Wrote:  

(12-07-2014 07:18 PM)FonzKnight Wrote:  

(12-07-2014 06:57 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  way to deflect. You don't like my opinion so you just smart a$$, snarky replies. Your obviously interested in my opinion because your replying to my posts so why not give me reasons on why UCF is a big 12 candidate and the schools I mentioned aren't? I'm not going to fight with you, but I d love to have a discussion with you..

Well ive obviously hit a nerve. My point was your argument was nonsensical-- because a school name has a direction in it does not take away from their accomplishments. A schools tradition from the 1800s does nothing for who they are today.

The real argument is that UCF is a top 20 media market in the fertile Florida recruiting grounds with back to back conference winning teams. UCF has proven they can hang in the conference by defeating the Big12s champion en route to a top ten finish less than 12 months ago.

What any other program did in the 90s who might have 'State' at the end of their name does not trump that.

Yeah, the directional school thing is silly and certainly shouldn't disqualify a school from everything when it has all other factors going for it. Basically if the school renamed itself "University of Florida at Orlando" it'd be no different than Cal or UCLA in terms of name.

Ufo?!

Jared, your statement, " Basically if the school renamed itself "University of Florida at Orlando" it'd be no different than Cal or UCLA in terms of name.", when compared to UCLA is absolutely correct. I've been trying to take the name out of the discussion but that seems to be impossible with a couple of UCF fans on this thread. Whether your school is named UCF, UFC or UFO it's a brand new school compared to the rest of the P5 with a brand new football team compared to the rest of the P5. And I'm not talking about a few years or a decade or even 3 or 4 decades. UCF came knocking on the door to the party a century after the party started. That may not matter to you, but if college football is about anything it's about tradition. Not a tradition of winning, but tradition. Picture old money guys at a country club, picking who they want in their membership. Those old guys have never heard of UCF, and it wouldn't matter if your name was indeed UFO instead.

I think if the school was named FTU and people found out that we had 60,000+ students and that it was in Orlando, I think people would be wondering why we weren't already P5. With a name like UCF it's just assumed that we are a commuter school that accepts anybody. If you are explaining, you are losing.

(12-13-2014 02:12 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(12-11-2014 11:12 AM)AntiG Wrote:  

(12-07-2014 04:34 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(12-07-2014 04:24 PM)FonzKnight Wrote:  The 'directional school' is the dumbest argument ever. Changing our name from UCF to The University of Orlando would change what, exactly? It's amazing how much USC has been overlooked over the years, right?

ok, lets take directional out if it. You ve played football in division 1 for 18 years. You ve been a university for how many years?? Don't you realize how the lack of tradition alone is a bad thing? Name me a P5 school playing football for under 20 years? Name me a P5 school that wasn't a school 100 years ago? Most have not only had football since the late 1800's, but have been schools for 150 years

Texas Tech was founded 1923, which is less than 100 years. I'm sure there are other P5s as well.

You got me. Texas Tech only has a measly 92 year history with said schools not 100. Since we're going down this road, please list all the P5 schools with less than 100 years of existence. I'm sure there's a bunch more you can roll out as examples right? Way to nitpick. Cheers!

Fun facts:

There are only three P5 schools founded in the 20th century: UCLA in 1919, Texas Tech in 1923 and Miami in 1925.

Six P5's claim a founding date in the 18th century: Rutgers (1766), Georgia (1785), Pitt (1787), UNC (1789), Tennessee (1794) and Louisville (1798). Of these, Georgia and Louisville didn't begin enrolling students until the 19th century. Tennessee's claim refers to the charter of Blount College in Knoxville. Its continuous charter dates to 1807, when it was known as East Tennessee College.

(12-13-2014 02:42 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(12-13-2014 02:23 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(12-11-2014 05:53 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  

(12-11-2014 11:18 AM)AntiG Wrote:  

(12-07-2014 07:18 PM)FonzKnight Wrote:  Well ive obviously hit a nerve. My point was your argument was nonsensical-- because a school name has a direction in it does not take away from their accomplishments. A schools tradition from the 1800s does nothing for who they are today.

The real argument is that UCF is a top 20 media market in the fertile Florida recruiting grounds with back to back conference winning teams. UCF has proven they can hang in the conference by defeating the Big12s champion en route to a top ten finish less than 12 months ago.

What any other program did in the 90s who might have 'State' at the end of their name does not trump that.

Yeah, the directional school thing is silly and certainly shouldn't disqualify a school from everything when it has all other factors going for it. Basically if the school renamed itself "University of Florida at Orlando" it'd be no different than Cal or UCLA in terms of name.

Ufo?!

Jared, your statement, " Basically if the school renamed itself "University of Florida at Orlando" it'd be no different than Cal or UCLA in terms of name.", when compared to UCLA is absolutely correct. I've been trying to take the name out of the discussion but that seems to be impossible with a couple of UCF fans on this thread. Whether your school is named UCF, UFC or UFO it's a brand new school compared to the rest of the P5 with a brand new football team compared to the rest of the P5. And I'm not talking about a few years or a decade or even 3 or 4 decades. UCF came knocking on the door to the party a century after the party started. That may not matter to you, but if college football is about anything it's about tradition. Not a tradition of winning, but tradition. Picture old money guys at a country club, picking who they want in their membership. Those old guys have never heard of UCF, and it wouldn't matter if your name was indeed UFO instead.

I think if the school was named FTU and people found out that we had 60,000+ students and that it was in Orlando, I think people would be wondering why we weren't already P5. With a name like UCF it's just assumed that we are a commuter school that accepts anybody. If you are explaining, you are losing.

How am I losing? Please be specific

(12-13-2014 03:04 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(12-13-2014 02:12 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(12-11-2014 11:12 AM)AntiG Wrote:  

(12-07-2014 04:34 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(12-07-2014 04:24 PM)FonzKnight Wrote:  The 'directional school' is the dumbest argument ever. Changing our name from UCF to The University of Orlando would change what, exactly? It's amazing how much USC has been overlooked over the years, right?

ok, lets take directional out if it. You ve played football in division 1 for 18 years. You ve been a university for how many years?? Don't you realize how the lack of tradition alone is a bad thing? Name me a P5 school playing football for under 20 years? Name me a P5 school that wasn't a school 100 years ago? Most have not only had football since the late 1800's, but have been schools for 150 years

Texas Tech was founded 1923, which is less than 100 years. I'm sure there are other P5s as well.

You got me. Texas Tech only has a measly 92 year history with said schools not 100. Since we're going down this road, please list all the P5 schools with less than 100 years of existence. I'm sure there's a bunch more you can roll out as examples right? Way to nitpick. Cheers!

Fun facts:

There are only three P5 schools founded in the 20th century: UCLA in 1919, Texas Tech in 1923 and Miami in 1925.

Six P5's claim a founding date in the 18th century: Rutgers (1766), Georgia (1785), Pitt (1787), UNC (1789), Tennessee (1794) and Louisville (1798). Of these, Georgia and Louisville didn't begin enrolling students until the 19th century. Tennessee's claim refers to the charter of Blount College in Knoxville. Its continuous charter dates to 1807, when it was known as East Tennessee College.

Thanks for that

(12-13-2014 02:42 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(12-13-2014 02:23 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(12-11-2014 05:53 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  

(12-11-2014 11:18 AM)AntiG Wrote:  

(12-07-2014 07:18 PM)FonzKnight Wrote:  Well ive obviously hit a nerve. My point was your argument was nonsensical-- because a school name has a direction in it does not take away from their accomplishments. A schools tradition from the 1800s does nothing for who they are today.

The real argument is that UCF is a top 20 media market in the fertile Florida recruiting grounds with back to back conference winning teams. UCF has proven they can hang in the conference by defeating the Big12s champion en route to a top ten finish less than 12 months ago.

What any other program did in the 90s who might have 'State' at the end of their name does not trump that.

Yeah, the directional school thing is silly and certainly shouldn't disqualify a school from everything when it has all other factors going for it. Basically if the school renamed itself "University of Florida at Orlando" it'd be no different than Cal or UCLA in terms of name.

Ufo?!

Jared, your statement, " Basically if the school renamed itself "University of Florida at Orlando" it'd be no different than Cal or UCLA in terms of name.", when compared to UCLA is absolutely correct. I've been trying to take the name out of the discussion but that seems to be impossible with a couple of UCF fans on this thread. Whether your school is named UCF, UFC or UFO it's a brand new school compared to the rest of the P5 with a brand new football team compared to the rest of the P5. And I'm not talking about a few years or a decade or even 3 or 4 decades. UCF came knocking on the door to the party a century after the party started. That may not matter to you, but if college football is about anything it's about tradition. Not a tradition of winning, but tradition. Picture old money guys at a country club, picking who they want in their membership. Those old guys have never heard of UCF, and it wouldn't matter if your name was indeed UFO instead.

I think if the school was named FTU and people found out that we had 60,000+ students and that it was in Orlando, I think people would be wondering why we weren't already P5. With a name like UCF it's just assumed that we are a commuter school that accepts anybody. If you are explaining, you are losing.

I guess I don't get the disconnect on the huge enrollment part. I think it's a bad thing. UCF fans think it's a selling point. U of Phoenix has a huge enrollment but isn't respected by most for that very reason. for taking anyone and everyone if you apply, your in. UCF accepting everyone that applies is different than the vast majority of cartel schools. There's a reason why Houston stopped doing that after the SWC broke up.

(12-07-2014 04:24 PM)FonzKnight Wrote:  The 'directional school' is the dumbest argument ever. Changing our name from UCF to The University of Orlando would change what, exactly? It's amazing how much USC has been overlooked over the years, right?

USC is a private school. It's not a directional school which are public, large and have other schools in the state representing other directions (sometimes central).

States like California, Ohio, Pennsylvania and New York do not have directional schools. While states like Florida, Michigan, North Carolina, and Texas do.

(12-13-2014 06:31 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(12-13-2014 02:42 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(12-13-2014 02:23 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(12-11-2014 05:53 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  

(12-11-2014 11:18 AM)AntiG Wrote:  Yeah, the directional school thing is silly and certainly shouldn't disqualify a school from everything when it has all other factors going for it. Basically if the school renamed itself "University of Florida at Orlando" it'd be no different than Cal or UCLA in terms of name.

Ufo?!

Jared, your statement, " Basically if the school renamed itself "University of Florida at Orlando" it'd be no different than Cal or UCLA in terms of name.", when compared to UCLA is absolutely correct. I've been trying to take the name out of the discussion but that seems to be impossible with a couple of UCF fans on this thread. Whether your school is named UCF, UFC or UFO it's a brand new school compared to the rest of the P5 with a brand new football team compared to the rest of the P5. And I'm not talking about a few years or a decade or even 3 or 4 decades. UCF came knocking on the door to the party a century after the party started. That may not matter to you, but if college football is about anything it's about tradition. Not a tradition of winning, but tradition. Picture old money guys at a country club, picking who they want in their membership. Those old guys have never heard of UCF, and it wouldn't matter if your name was indeed UFO instead.

I think if the school was named FTU and people found out that we had 60,000+ students and that it was in Orlando, I think people would be wondering why we weren't already P5. With a name like UCF it's just assumed that we are a commuter school that accepts anybody. If you are explaining, you are losing.

I guess I don't get the disconnect on the huge enrollment part. I think it's a bad thing. UCF fans think it's a selling point. U of Phoenix has a huge enrollment but isn't respected by most for that very reason. for taking anyone and everyone if you apply, your in. UCF accepting everyone that applies is different than the vast majority of cartel schools. There's a reason why Houston stopped doing that after the SWC broke up.

You just compare UCF to the university of Phoenix? And you should probably do some research before making absurd statements.

ECU admissions stats http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreview...rsity-2923

UCF admissions stats. http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreview...s/ucf-3954

(12-13-2014 06:31 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(12-13-2014 02:42 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(12-13-2014 02:23 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(12-11-2014 05:53 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  

(12-11-2014 11:18 AM)AntiG Wrote:  Yeah, the directional school thing is silly and certainly shouldn't disqualify a school from everything when it has all other factors going for it. Basically if the school renamed itself "University of Florida at Orlando" it'd be no different than Cal or UCLA in terms of name.

Ufo?!

Jared, your statement, " Basically if the school renamed itself "University of Florida at Orlando" it'd be no different than Cal or UCLA in terms of name.", when compared to UCLA is absolutely correct. I've been trying to take the name out of the discussion but that seems to be impossible with a couple of UCF fans on this thread. Whether your school is named UCF, UFC or UFO it's a brand new school compared to the rest of the P5 with a brand new football team compared to the rest of the P5. And I'm not talking about a few years or a decade or even 3 or 4 decades. UCF came knocking on the door to the party a century after the party started. That may not matter to you, but if college football is about anything it's about tradition. Not a tradition of winning, but tradition. Picture old money guys at a country club, picking who they want in their membership. Those old guys have never heard of UCF, and it wouldn't matter if your name was indeed UFO instead.

I think if the school was named FTU and people found out that we had 60,000+ students and that it was in Orlando, I think people would be wondering why we weren't already P5. With a name like UCF it's just assumed that we are a commuter school that accepts anybody. If you are explaining, you are losing.

I guess I don't get the disconnect on the huge enrollment part. I think it's a bad thing. UCF fans think it's a selling point. U of Phoenix has a huge enrollment but isn't respected by most for that very reason. for taking anyone and everyone if you apply, your in. UCF accepting everyone that applies is different than the vast majority of cartel schools. There's a reason why Houston stopped doing that after the SWC broke up.

i wasnt going to jump in because this is such a stupid discussion......... but did you just compare UCF to university of phoenix?..... an online school with no real physical presence outside of buildings with rented office space scattered throughout the country?

let me help you a little. the huge undergrad enrollment is impressive because for the most part, they are located in the main campus. most live on campus or in the immediate surrounding area in off campus apartments.

Big 12 will stay at 10 teams.

(12-13-2014 02:23 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  ........ may not matter to you, but if college football is about anything it's about tradition. Not a tradition of winning, but tradition..........

Thankyou. Due to certain insulting remarks in this thread about Memphis, I feel entitled to point out that the AAC co-champion Tigers have just completed the 102nd season of the program's history. Our long uphill fight, paid for with blood, sweat and tears does have a few successes to be proud of, including wins over the likes of tradition-rich Alabama, Auburn, Arkansas, Florida, Florida State, Georgia Tech, Kansas State, Miami, Miss State, Mizzou, Ole Miss, South Carolina, Southern Cal, Tennessee, and Virginia Tech. Not only did we defeat Cincinnati (whom according to recent media articles has a "better brand") this year, but own a 19-13 all-time record against them. If geography, tradition, strong college football TV market, new fertile recruiting territory in SEC land, cultural compatibility, great basketball, corporate support and fun travel destination matter, Memphis is a more viable Big 12 candidate than many suppose.

(12-13-2014 06:31 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(12-13-2014 02:42 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(12-13-2014 02:23 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(12-11-2014 05:53 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  

(12-11-2014 11:18 AM)AntiG Wrote:  Yeah, the directional school thing is silly and certainly shouldn't disqualify a school from everything when it has all other factors going for it. Basically if the school renamed itself "University of Florida at Orlando" it'd be no different than Cal or UCLA in terms of name.

Ufo?!

Jared, your statement, " Basically if the school renamed itself "University of Florida at Orlando" it'd be no different than Cal or UCLA in terms of name.", when compared to UCLA is absolutely correct. I've been trying to take the name out of the discussion but that seems to be impossible with a couple of UCF fans on this thread. Whether your school is named UCF, UFC or UFO it's a brand new school compared to the rest of the P5 with a brand new football team compared to the rest of the P5. And I'm not talking about a few years or a decade or even 3 or 4 decades. UCF came knocking on the door to the party a century after the party started. That may not matter to you, but if college football is about anything it's about tradition. Not a tradition of winning, but tradition. Picture old money guys at a country club, picking who they want in their membership. Those old guys have never heard of UCF, and it wouldn't matter if your name was indeed UFO instead.

I think if the school was named FTU and people found out that we had 60,000+ students and that it was in Orlando, I think people would be wondering why we weren't already P5. With a name like UCF it's just assumed that we are a commuter school that accepts anybody. If you are explaining, you are losing.

I guess I don't get the disconnect on the huge enrollment part. I think it's a bad thing. UCF fans think it's a selling point. U of Phoenix has a huge enrollment but isn't respected by most for that very reason. for taking anyone and everyone if you apply, your in. UCF accepting everyone that applies is different than the vast majority of cartel schools. There's a reason why Houston stopped doing that after the SWC broke up.

Dude that is about the most ignorant thing I have read from you. Our average incoming freshman has a 3.9 GPA and an 1860 sat. That's second only to uf which is only by a few points to an aau school. We have the most applicants and only accept roughly 40 percent of applicants. Jeebus do some research. We are tier 1 and were founded to provide engineers for nasa. Other than being large we don't fit any of those boxes. Get your facts straight. Btw. Where does ecu fall there again?

(12-13-2014 02:12 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(12-11-2014 11:12 AM)AntiG Wrote:  

(12-07-2014 04:34 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(12-07-2014 04:24 PM)FonzKnight Wrote:  The 'directional school' is the dumbest argument ever. Changing our name from UCF to The University of Orlando would change what, exactly? It's amazing how much USC has been overlooked over the years, right?

ok, lets take directional out if it. You ve played football in division 1 for 18 years. You ve been a university for how many years?? Don't you realize how the lack of tradition alone is a bad thing? Name me a P5 school playing football for under 20 years? Name me a P5 school that wasn't a school 100 years ago? Most have not only had football since the late 1800's, but have been schools for 150 years

Texas Tech was founded 1923, which is less than 100 years. I'm sure there are other P5s as well.

You got me. Texas Tech only has a measly 92 year history with said schools not 100. Since we're going down this road, please list all the P5 schools with less than 100 years of existence. I'm sure there's a bunch more you can roll out as examples right? Way to nitpick. Cheers!

East Carolina is 108 years old andhas been playing football since 1933. Florida State has been playing only since the 1950s

The University of Cincinnati just completed our 125th season of football. Our stadium is the oldest playing site in D-1A, having hosted UC football games since 1901.

Arguably the first bowl game in history was when the New Orleans Southern Athletic Club invited the 7-1-1 University of Cincinnati squad to play them in January of 1897. We beat them 16-0, and were then challenged by the squad from Louisiana State (LSU). Two days later we took a trip to Baton Rouge and beat them 28-0.

How's that for history?