Question? Do you root for a conference team to win in the playoffs or a team that beat you?

i don't always root for a conference team in football.

in basketball, I root for the CAA representative(s) as that brings extra money to the conference which benefits JMU. We get no value out of UNH or Villanova advancing and winning.

so it depends on the matchup as to who I root for.

why would you root for anyone? when my team loses the season is over. After that point i root for entertaining football and that it is.

I'll root for UNH. They have a class coach, and i don't see them as a threat or competition to us in anyway. We've been a thorn in their side history wise..

(12-07-2014 09:46 AM)JMU_Degenerate Wrote:  why would you root for anyone? when my team loses the season is over. After that point i root for entertaining football and that it is.

This

I'm shocked longhorn hasn't throw his weight around in this thread yet.
I'm glad most seem to be in my camp, realizing that rooting for your direct competition is not in our best interests if we actually want to beat them in the future.
I also agree that if I HAD to pick a CAA team to win it, then unh more than vu. They are less of a threat, we play them less often, and they're basically in Canada.

I'll root for CAA unless it's RU. I'd root for Hitler over RU

I root for conference-mates unless it's a bitter rival. I'm in the camp that thinks a strong conference is good for my team. And in this year it's a no brainier...there is no way I would root for Liberty.

When people talk about how good the SEC is they quickly point to how the last 7 out of 8 Champions came from the SEC ( or whatever the number is). We have heard for years that the CAA/A10 is the SEC of 1AA football. UMass, JMU, Richmond, Delaware, NOVA all won the National Championship from our conference. If we want to be the best conference then we need to pull for members of our conference to win the championship. Any other thinking is counter to wanting to be in the premier conference in 1 AA football.

(12-07-2014 10:43 AM)BSKB 24 Wrote:  When people talk about how good the SEC is they quickly point to how the last 7 out of 8 Champions came from the SEC ( or whatever the number is). We have heard for years that the CAA/A10 is the SEC of 1AA football. UMass, JMU, Richmond, Delaware, NOVA all won the National Championship from our conference. If we want to be the best conference then we need to pull for members of our conference to win the championship. Any other thinking is counter to wanting to be in the premier conference in 1 AA football.

Best 1AA conference to me does not mean nearly as much to be as it did 3-4 years ago. Doesn't mean that much at all to me these days...

Since there is rarely any cross sectional games in FCS, most non CAA schools that make the playoffs are obscure. As a result, I support the CAA schools in the playoffs.

I do not enjoy a game whereby my rooting interest is only hoping to see someone lose.

I still hold out hope that if the CAA programs have success in the playoffs, it will make my game day experience more meaningful when we play those schools in the regular season.

I root against anything that says CAA on the jersey. (Excludes JMU for now)

(12-07-2014 10:23 AM)Potomac Wrote:  I'm shocked longhorn hasn't throw his weight around in this thread yet.
I'm glad most seem to be in my camp, realizing that rooting for your direct competition is not in our best interests if we actually want to beat them in the future.
I also agree that if I HAD to pick a CAA team to win it, then unh more than vu. They are less of a threat, we play them less often, and they're basically in Canada.

"Most seem to be in your camp"? Appreciate the laugh. Keep 'em coming Carnac.

(12-07-2014 09:46 AM)JMU_Degenerate Wrote:  why would you root for anyone? when my team loses the season is over. After that point i root for entertaining football and that it is.

This, and only this.

(12-07-2014 10:23 AM)Potomac Wrote:  I'm shocked longhorn hasn't throw his weight around in this thread yet.
I'm glad most seem to be in my camp, realizing that rooting for your direct competition is not in our best interests if we actually want to beat them in the future.
I also agree that if I HAD to pick a CAA team to win it, then unh more than vu. They are less of a threat, we play them less often, and they're basically in Canada.

I started formulating a response to prove you were wrong as I think you stated in another thread it was not in our best interest due to recruiting. Well, I'm no longer going to disagree (or agree) but will instead provide the following limited data.

JMU won in 2004. Those recruits would have came in 2005 and probably redshirted with the majority of their PT would have been 2007 (8-4), 2008 (12-2) and 2009 (6-5). A noticeable bump 4 years after winning the NC as non redshirted recruits were not seniors and others were redshirt Juniors.

Looking at other CAA teams, Richmond and UD also experienced a noticeable bump 4 years after the NC. UD won it in 2003 and went 5-6 in 2006, 12-3 in 2007, and 4-8 in 2008. Richmond won 2008 and went 3-8 in 2011, 8-3 in 2012 and 6-6 in 2013. Villanova, currently 5 years from its 2009 title is 11-2 but went 6-6 last year.

I won't say a NC leads to better recruits and better recruits leads to better future seasons as the teams above went from 5-6 to 12-5 (UD), 3-8 to 8-3 (UR) and 6-6 to 11-2 (Nova) before their respected "bumps". I don't think the additional 5+ wins from season to season were due to the additional year of experience of the specific recruiting class (too many other variables).

It should be noted there are also recruits that go lower teams in the SEC versus MAC and C-USA teams because they want to play in the SEC. I think JMU could also benefit from players that want to play in the best FCS conference. Now maybe 1 recruit bounces from JMU to Nova due to their recent success but I don't think that causes an impact (especially over the course of multiple 20 person signing classes) on the future of JMU's success. So with just the possibility of limited impact, as long as JMU is committed to the CAA, I'd rather say the CAA is the best conference than not.

With all that said, out of 10 my happiness if a CAA teams wins the NC will be 0.01 and if a non CAA teams wins it will be 0.00.

My boss just asked me at lunch if there were any big upsets in the FCS playoffs this weekend. I told him I had no idea, I hadn't watched FCS football since JMU lost.

(12-08-2014 12:49 PM)DoubleDogDare Wrote:  

(12-07-2014 10:23 AM)Potomac Wrote:  I'm shocked longhorn hasn't throw his weight around in this thread yet.
I'm glad most seem to be in my camp, realizing that rooting for your direct competition is not in our best interests if we actually want to beat them in the future.
I also agree that if I HAD to pick a CAA team to win it, then unh more than vu. They are less of a threat, we play them less often, and they're basically in Canada.

I started formulating a response to prove you were wrong as I think you stated in another thread it was not in our best interest due to recruiting. Well, I'm no longer going to disagree (or agree) but will instead provide the following limited data.

JMU won in 2004. Those recruits would have came in 2005 and probably redshirted with the majority of their PT would have been 2007 (8-4), 2008 (12-2) and 2009 (6-5). A noticeable bump 4 years after winning the NC as non redshirted recruits were not seniors and others were redshirt Juniors.

Looking at other CAA teams, Richmond and UD also experienced a noticeable bump 4 years after the NC. UD won it in 2003 and went 5-6 in 2006, 12-3 in 2007, and 4-8 in 2008. Richmond won 2008 and went 3-8 in 2011, 8-3 in 2012 and 6-6 in 2013. Villanova, currently 5 years from its 2009 title is 11-2 but went 6-6 last year.

I won't say a NC leads to better recruits and better recruits leads to better future seasons as the teams above went from 5-6 to 12-5 (UD), 3-8 to 8-3 (UR) and 6-6 to 11-2 (Nova) before their respected "bumps". I don't think the additional 5+ wins from season to season were due to the additional year of experience of the specific recruiting class (too many other variables).

It should be noted there are also recruits that go lower teams in the SEC versus MAC and C-USA teams because they want to play in the SEC. I think JMU could also benefit from players that want to play in the best FCS conference. Now maybe 1 recruit bounces from JMU to Nova due to their recent success but I don't think that causes an impact (especially over the course of multiple 20 person signing classes) on the future of JMU's success. So with just the possibility of limited impact, as long as JMU is committed to the CAA, I'd rather say the CAA is the best conference than not.

With all that said, out of 10 my happiness if a CAA teams wins the NC will be 0.01 and if a non CAA teams wins it will be 0.00.

This was very interesting, thanks for putting this together

(12-08-2014 12:49 PM)DoubleDogDare Wrote:  

(12-07-2014 10:23 AM)Potomac Wrote:  I'm shocked longhorn hasn't throw his weight around in this thread yet.
I'm glad most seem to be in my camp, realizing that rooting for your direct competition is not in our best interests if we actually want to beat them in the future.
I also agree that if I HAD to pick a CAA team to win it, then unh more than vu. They are less of a threat, we play them less often, and they're basically in Canada.

I started formulating a response to prove you were wrong as I think you stated in another thread it was not in our best interest due to recruiting. Well, I'm no longer going to disagree (or agree) but will instead provide the following limited data.

JMU won in 2004. Those recruits would have came in 2005 and probably redshirted with the majority of their PT would have been 2007 (8-4), 2008 (12-2) and 2009 (6-5). A noticeable bump 4 years after winning the NC as non redshirted recruits were not seniors and others were redshirt Juniors.

Looking at other CAA teams, Richmond and UD also experienced a noticeable bump 4 years after the NC. UD won it in 2003 and went 5-6 in 2006, 12-3 in 2007, and 4-8 in 2008. Richmond won 2008 and went 3-8 in 2011, 8-3 in 2012 and 6-6 in 2013. Villanova, currently 5 years from its 2009 title is 11-2 but went 6-6 last year.

I won't say a NC leads to better recruits and better recruits leads to better future seasons as the teams above went from 5-6 to 12-5 (UD), 3-8 to 8-3 (UR) and 6-6 to 11-2 (Nova) before their respected "bumps". I don't think the additional 5+ wins from season to season were due to the additional year of experience of the specific recruiting class (too many other variables).

It should be noted there are also recruits that go lower teams in the SEC versus MAC and C-USA teams because they want to play in the SEC. I think JMU could also benefit from players that want to play in the best FCS conference. Now maybe 1 recruit bounces from JMU to Nova due to their recent success but I don't think that causes an impact (especially over the course of multiple 20 person signing classes) on the future of JMU's success. So with just the possibility of limited impact, as long as JMU is committed to the CAA, I'd rather say the CAA is the best conference than not.

With all that said, out of 10 my happiness if a CAA teams wins the NC will be 0.01 and if a non CAA teams wins it will be 0.00.

Sure, I'll admit that at the FCS level, the recruiting differences from winning or not winning a NC would be minuscule overall. I do take a mentality of, if it takes one recruit away, that's one too many. VU obviously affects us more than UNH would, simply because of geography.
This may not have been a result of the NC and more a result of Talley lying to him about joining the Big East, but Robertson picked VU over JMU. That's not okay in my book. Mickey may still have his job if he ended up on our squad.

What NOT winning a championship would do is have no potential negative effect. Winning a national championship would have a minor recruiting effect, and more of a negative performance effect. If they're good, chances are you can go ahead and put that one down as a loss. I don't know about you, but winning is pretty important to me.

Sure, the conference winning it all helps with the national outlook at our conference, but when we have the 2nd most bids this year, i'm not particularly worried about what Sagarin says. It overemphasizes undefeated teams regardless of their SOS (CCU for the first 11 games) and punishes your ranking if you have teams struggling to win at all (two 1 win teams in Elon and URI). The Big South's worst team still had 4 wins. All of that is why they're viewed as a "better" conference. Only a fool would seriously call the Big South as better than the CAA though.

We're not really struggling for "national prestige", i.e. 4 bids, and I would prefer our opponents not be of the unbeatable NDSU variety. I hate games that you know you'll lose going into them.