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I've read prior posts here that indicated that the BOT forced UAB to restrict enrollment, and that is the reason that UAB's admissions requirements increased.

The comments alluded to this being a way to prevent UAB from growing at the same rate or perhaps even surpassing UAT in undergraduate students.

Is there any available material that documents this?

(12-03-2014 02:30 PM)legalblazer Wrote:  I've read prior posts here that indicated that the BOT forced UAB to restrict enrollment, and that is the reason that UAB's admissions requirements increased.

The comments alluded to this being a way to prevent UAB from growing at the same rate or perhaps even surpassing UAT in undergraduate students.

Is there any available material that documents this?

I sat down with Garrison during the coaching fiasco to air my grievances and she told me the plan to get smaller and better. She was very persuasive in that this was right way to go. Looking back, I believe she was duped into that direction. I never saw it in writing though.

(12-03-2014 03:04 PM)UABGrad Wrote:  

(12-03-2014 02:30 PM)legalblazer Wrote:  I've read prior posts here that indicated that the BOT forced UAB to restrict enrollment, and that is the reason that UAB's admissions requirements increased.

The comments alluded to this being a way to prevent UAB from growing at the same rate or perhaps even surpassing UAT in undergraduate students.

Is there any available material that documents this?

I sat down with Garrison during the coaching fiasco to air my grievances and she told me the plan to get smaller and better. She was very persuasive in that this was right way to go. Looking back, I believe she was duped into that direction. I never saw it in writing though.

A group of us spoke with Dr G before a game in Tallahassee where she outlined her plan to get us to a 10-year mandated enrollment cap. It did involve raising entrance requirements significantly. I remember it involved investigating nearby institutions with higher requirements in place from BSC to Georgia Tech & Vanderbilt. After the new requirements were established UAB sent packets to guidance counselors in every high school in AL directing that these requirements would be instituted four years hence upon the graduation of the upcoming years HF freshman class.

I know the plan also eliminated all remedial class (bringing a certain uproar), but also established a partnership with the local community colleges.

However, I too never saw the plan in writing.

Where did the mandated enrollment cap come from?

(12-03-2014 05:17 PM)blazerjay Wrote:  

(12-03-2014 03:04 PM)UABGrad Wrote:  

(12-03-2014 02:30 PM)legalblazer Wrote:  I've read prior posts here that indicated that the BOT forced UAB to restrict enrollment, and that is the reason that UAB's admissions requirements increased.

The comments alluded to this being a way to prevent UAB from growing at the same rate or perhaps even surpassing UAT in undergraduate students.

Is there any available material that documents this?

I sat down with Garrison during the coaching fiasco to air my grievances and she told me the plan to get smaller and better. She was very persuasive in that this was right way to go. Looking back, I believe she was duped into that direction. I never saw it in writing though.

A group of us spoke with Dr G before a game in Tallahassee where she outlined her plan to get us to a 10-year mandated enrollment cap. It did involve raising entrance requirements significantly. I remember it involved investigating nearby institutions with higher requirements in place from BSC to Georgia Tech & Vanderbilt. After the new requirements were established UAB sent packets to guidance counselors in every high school in AL directing that these requirements would be instituted four years hence upon the graduation of the upcoming years HF freshman class.

I know the plan also eliminated all remedial class (bringing a certain uproar), but also established a partnership with the local community colleges.

However, I too never saw the plan in writing.

No 4 year university should have any remedial classes. That's what summer school and JUCOs are for. I personally am in favor of making our admissions standards somewhat higher than Auburn and UAT.

The program in reference isn't remedial, it's s mentor program from students who have the GPA but not the ACT. They must demonstrate strong academic promise to be accepted. Not an open door by any means. Used to work in admissions when this was announced and it has been a HUGE service to our students in the black belt who are undeserved and under educated in the college process. You'd be stunned how little some knew about it. The first group's overall GPA was above 3.5 after freshman year

(12-03-2014 02:30 PM)legalblazer Wrote:  I've read prior posts here that indicated that the BOT forced UAB to restrict enrollment, and that is the reason that UAB's admissions requirements increased.

The comments alluded to this being a way to prevent UAB from growing at the same rate or perhaps even surpassing UAT in undergraduate students.

Is there any available material that documents this?

I too can confirm that there may be some truth to this. When I first registered for UAB in November 2004 as a post-baccalaureate student (because I'd gotten my first degree from you-know-where), I was told that it was possible for me to not get in because there was a level of enrollment beyond which they wouldn't accept any additional students.

(12-03-2014 06:03 PM)dfarr Wrote:  

(12-03-2014 05:17 PM)blazerjay Wrote:  

(12-03-2014 03:04 PM)UABGrad Wrote:  

(12-03-2014 02:30 PM)legalblazer Wrote:  I've read prior posts here that indicated that the BOT forced UAB to restrict enrollment, and that is the reason that UAB's admissions requirements increased.

The comments alluded to this being a way to prevent UAB from growing at the same rate or perhaps even surpassing UAT in undergraduate students.

Is there any available material that documents this?

I sat down with Garrison during the coaching fiasco to air my grievances and she told me the plan to get smaller and better. She was very persuasive in that this was right way to go. Looking back, I believe she was duped into that direction. I never saw it in writing though.

A group of us spoke with Dr G before a game in Tallahassee where she outlined her plan to get us to a 10-year mandated enrollment cap. It did involve raising entrance requirements significantly. I remember it involved investigating nearby institutions with higher requirements in place from BSC to Georgia Tech & Vanderbilt. After the new requirements were established UAB sent packets to guidance counselors in every high school in AL directing that these requirements would be instituted four years hence upon the graduation of the upcoming years HF freshman class.

I know the plan also eliminated all remedial class (bringing a certain uproar), but also established a partnership with the local community colleges.

However, I too never saw the plan in writing.

No 4 year university should have any remedial classes. That's what summer school and JUCOs are for. I personally am in favor of making our admissions standards somewhat higher than Auburn and UAT.

Around ten years or so ago, UAB was an open admissions(just hs graduation needed)/non traditional students(older/night classes)/ commuter school with around a quarter of our students required to take true remedial courses.(not conditional admission/mentor program described above) UAB had the same very high standards on medical graduate side.

Carol vision was to change the undergraduate side to more of a traditional higher academic research oriented university. This meant traditional students (18 year old student), residential campus, with much more academically oriented student.

There were numerous steps taken, new dorms, campus green, award winning recreational center, real food court building, new student center(under construction) limit night classes and deemphasize part time (working) students, eliminate remedial classes with a joint program with local JUCOS and yes replace (as discussed above) the then student body with higher rated kids by targeting the enrollment at the same level but gradually raising admission standards.

The NEW chancellor Whit wants to start growing the student body with money making out of state students (as he did at UAT). His vision is different for UAB than UAT to use our strengths to attract medical and science related undergraduate students from out of state and even foreign. Programs such as guaranteed undergraduate admission to medical school if keep a 3.5 GPA is an existing example

I don't know about the admissions standards at all, but I got my second degree in Accounting as a commuter student in May 2013 and noticed a rapid movement toward more web-based and night classes for business courses while I was there. My boss is now going through the same process through the Accounting Department and is taking almost exclusively online courses, even in classes where web-based courses were not offered while I was there.

I think our experience would run counter to what is being said in this thread (except for the higher enrollment restrictions) but I am not aware of the university's plan as a whole.

It does also seem, however, that my department, CCEE, has made the shift away from night classes. At least fewer 5:30-7:30 classes.

(12-04-2014 11:36 AM)uabbean Wrote:  

(12-03-2014 06:03 PM)dfarr Wrote:  

(12-03-2014 05:17 PM)blazerjay Wrote:  

(12-03-2014 03:04 PM)UABGrad Wrote:  

(12-03-2014 02:30 PM)legalblazer Wrote:  I've read prior posts here that indicated that the BOT forced UAB to restrict enrollment, and that is the reason that UAB's admissions requirements increased.

The comments alluded to this being a way to prevent UAB from growing at the same rate or perhaps even surpassing UAT in undergraduate students.

Is there any available material that documents this?

I sat down with Garrison during the coaching fiasco to air my grievances and she told me the plan to get smaller and better. She was very persuasive in that this was right way to go. Looking back, I believe she was duped into that direction. I never saw it in writing though.

A group of us spoke with Dr G before a game in Tallahassee where she outlined her plan to get us to a 10-year mandated enrollment cap. It did involve raising entrance requirements significantly. I remember it involved investigating nearby institutions with higher requirements in place from BSC to Georgia Tech & Vanderbilt. After the new requirements were established UAB sent packets to guidance counselors in every high school in AL directing that these requirements would be instituted four years hence upon the graduation of the upcoming years HF freshman class.

I know the plan also eliminated all remedial class (bringing a certain uproar), but also established a partnership with the local community colleges.

However, I too never saw the plan in writing.

No 4 year university should have any remedial classes. That's what summer school and JUCOs are for. I personally am in favor of making our admissions standards somewhat higher than Auburn and UAT.

Around ten years or so ago, UAB was an open admissions(just hs graduation needed)/non traditional students(older/night classes)/ commuter school with around a quarter of our students required to take true remedial courses.(not conditional admission/mentor program described above) UAB had the same very high standards on medical graduate side.

Carol vision was to change the undergraduate side to more of a traditional higher academic research oriented university. This meant traditional students (18 year old student), residential campus, with much more academically oriented student.

There were numerous steps taken, new dorms, campus green, award winning recreational center, real food court building, new student center(under construction) limit night classes and deemphasize part time (working) students, eliminate remedial classes with a joint program with local JUCOS and yes replace (as discussed above) the then student body with higher rated kids by targeting the enrollment at the same level but gradually raising admission standards.

The NEW chancellor Whit wants to start growing the student body with money making out of state students (as he did at UAT). His vision is different for UAB than UAT to use our strengths to attract medical and science related undergraduate students from out of state and even foreign. Programs such as guaranteed undergraduate admission to medical school if keep a 3.5 GPA is an existing example

I graduated 10 years ago and I don't remember UAB being open to anyone when I applied in 1999. So I'm not so sure about those assertions.

The EMSAP program has been around for quite a while an I know they started a similar program for the dental school. EMSAP was around when I applied at UAB because I applied for it.

(12-04-2014 02:26 AM)EnviroBlazerD Wrote:  

(12-03-2014 02:30 PM)legalblazer Wrote:  I've read prior posts here that indicated that the BOT forced UAB to restrict enrollment, and that is the reason that UAB's admissions requirements increased.

The comments alluded to this being a way to prevent UAB from growing at the same rate or perhaps even surpassing UAT in undergraduate students.

Is there any available material that documents this?

I too can confirm that there may be some truth to this. When I first registered for UAB in November 2004 as a post-baccalaureate student (because I'd gotten my first degree from you-know-where), I was told that it was possible for me to not get in because there was a level of enrollment beyond which they wouldn't accept any additional students.

There is a physical limit to how many students can be accommodated at one time given the current physical plant of the campus, especially in 2004 when online wasn't that much of a thing. UA's gigantic growth coincided with reducing their standards and building a metric ton of buildings. While one of those things is good and you might argue was withheld, the other of those things is bad and I'm glad UAB did the opposite.

That all good. I am just trying to figure out where that directive (if any) came from. It would seem to be UAB's decision to make, not the BOT's.

(12-04-2014 02:47 PM)legalblazer Wrote:  That all good. I am just trying to figure out where that directive (if any) came from. It would seem to be UAB's decision to make, not the BOT's.

Carol Garrison seemed pretty enthusiastic about the plan, so I doubt it was some thing forced upon her against her will.

(12-04-2014 02:47 PM)legalblazer Wrote:  That all good. I am just trying to figure out where that directive (if any) came from. It would seem to be UAB's decision to make, not the BOT's.

I hope you can get the answer, legal. Sounds like it could be very important to know this.

(12-04-2014 03:24 PM)mixduptransistor Wrote:  

(12-04-2014 02:47 PM)legalblazer Wrote:  That all good. I am just trying to figure out where that directive (if any) came from. It would seem to be UAB's decision to make, not the BOT's.

Carol Garrison seemed pretty enthusiastic about the plan, so I doubt it was some thing forced upon her against her will.

Maybe it was an order that she went along with?