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RE: UAB (CUSA) to Drop FB Program?
(12-03-2014 10:41 AM)TDenverFan Wrote:  Who cares that Coastal isn't that great academically? Besides the Ivy and maybe (But doubtfully) the Patriot, an FCS conference isn't gonna bolster/hurt a school's academmic reputation. We're not gonna have applicants thinking we're a worse school because we played Coastal Carolina in football

I am just saying I would prefer Furman, Wofford and VMI to Coastal. I think if you have a choice (and we probably will not) seeking to add like-minded schools makes sense.
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I continue to believe that, eventually, we will join the Patriot League. It may take up to five years, but the continued deterioration of the old CAA we once enjoyed that may accelerate again if JMU departs makes the Patriot collection of strong academic institutions more and more attractive.

Let us not forget that Army and Navy belong to the Patriot in all sports but football; added to solid colleges like Lehigh, Fordham, Bucknell, and Holy Cross, etc. this is pretty decent company. And much more in keeping with a school like W&M compared to the reshuffled
CAA.

Playing Army and Navy in all sports but football would also create lots of interest in the
heavily military Tidewater area.
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(12-03-2014 11:31 AM)TribePride91 Wrote:  For us, the biggest concern is will we have enough alumni, community and student support to ever fill Zable on a regular basis, or get the Hall 75% full. Attendance was down at UVA and Tech this year and will be very low for basketball for Tech as well. So, it is a problem all through the state. Richmond had pitiful football attendance this year as well.

You bring up an interesting point about alums and filling stadiums or arenas and alumni base, so I thought I'd do a quick look at some CAA schools, Virginia school, and some big name schools. I just pulled the numbers from quick Google searches, and I hope the spacing doesn't get messed up when I hit post:

School Living Alum Football % Basketball %
William & Mary 88000 11686 13.28% 8600 9.77%
Virginia 200000 61500 30.75% 14593 7.30%
Virginia Tech 238000 65632 27.58% 10052 4.22%
North Carolina 286707 63000 21.97% 21750 7.59%
Texas 460000 100109 21.76% 16540 3.60%
Texas A&M 370000 102512 27.71% 12989 3.51%
Michigan 500000 109901 21.98% 12707 2.54%
Richmond 50995 8700 17.06% 7201 14.12%
Stony Brook 155000 8136 5.25% 1700 1.10%
New Hampshire 133154 6500 4.88% 3500 2.63%
James Madison 108562 24877 22.92% 6426 5.92%
George Mason 160000 N/A N/A 10000 6.25%
VCU 159683 N/A N/A 7617 4.77%

It's not shocking that our stadium is a far smaller percentage of our living alumni than other schools (with the exception of the two in the northeast). Big name schools also get the benefit of having people that didn't necessarily attend their institution support them and go to games. I guess we get that to an extent with many retirees attending WM games, but it's not the same as at a school like Texas or Michigan (I couldn't find ODU's living alumni number so didn't include them). For basketball, with the exception of Richmond, we have a much bigger arena as a percentage of living alumni. Yes, this hearkens back to the day when we mulled trying to join the ACC, but worth noting that the numbers for basketball arenas are much smaller. This doesn't really prove (or disprove) anything, but the post about alumni and filling a stadium got me curious as I ate lunch.
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RE: UAB (CUSA) to Drop FB Program?
(12-03-2014 12:37 PM)hktribefan Wrote:  
(12-03-2014 11:31 AM)TribePride91 Wrote:  For us, the biggest concern is will we have enough alumni, community and student support to ever fill Zable on a regular basis, or get the Hall 75% full. Attendance was down at UVA and Tech this year and will be very low for basketball for Tech as well. So, it is a problem all through the state. Richmond had pitiful football attendance this year as well.

You bring up an interesting point about alums and filling stadiums or arenas and alumni base, so I thought I'd do a quick look at some CAA schools, Virginia school, and some big name schools. I just pulled the numbers from quick Google searches, and I hope the spacing doesn't get messed up when I hit post:

School Living Alum Football % Basketball %
William & Mary 88000 11686 13.28% 8600 9.77%
Virginia 200000 61500 30.75% 14593 7.30%
Virginia Tech 238000 65632 27.58% 10052 4.22%
North Carolina 286707 63000 21.97% 21750 7.59%
Texas 460000 100109 21.76% 16540 3.60%
Texas A&M 370000 102512 27.71% 12989 3.51%
Michigan 500000 109901 21.98% 12707 2.54%
Richmond 50995 8700 17.06% 7201 14.12%
Stony Brook 155000 8136 5.25% 1700 1.10%
New Hampshire 133154 6500 4.88% 3500 2.63%
James Madison 108562 24877 22.92% 6426 5.92%
George Mason 160000 N/A N/A 10000 6.25%
VCU 159683 N/A N/A 7617 4.77%

It's not shocking that our stadium is a far smaller percentage of our living alumni than other schools (with the exception of the two in the northeast). Big name schools also get the benefit of having people that didn't necessarily attend their institution support them and go to games. I guess we get that to an extent with many retirees attending WM games, but it's not the same as at a school like Texas or Michigan (I couldn't find ODU's living alumni number so didn't include them). For basketball, with the exception of Richmond, we have a much bigger arena as a percentage of living alumni. Yes, this hearkens back to the day when we mulled trying to join the ACC, but worth noting that the numbers for basketball arenas are much smaller. This doesn't really prove (or disprove) anything, but the post about alumni and filling a stadium got me curious as I ate lunch.

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(12-03-2014 11:09 AM)mainejeff Wrote:  Nobody is leaving the stable Patriot for the mess that is the CAA.

Not according to some of the talk at Fordham...
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(12-03-2014 11:09 AM)mainejeff Wrote:  Nobody is leaving the stable Patriot for the mess that is the CAA.

And nobody is joining the stable Patriot for football to be hamstrung by their academic index, no redshirts, and 60 scholarship limit. They remain at risk of losing Georgetown and Fordham.
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Delaware is not moving up any time soon.
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(12-04-2014 08:36 AM)Tribe4SF Wrote:  
(12-03-2014 11:09 AM)mainejeff Wrote:  Nobody is leaving the stable Patriot for the mess that is the CAA.

And nobody is joining the stable Patriot for football to be hamstrung by their academic index, no redshirts, and 60 scholarship limit. They remain at risk of losing Georgetown and Fordham.

If only the CAA could recruit Fordham for all sports...doubt Georgetown would be interested.
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(12-04-2014 09:45 AM)nogretheogre Wrote:  
(12-04-2014 08:36 AM)Tribe4SF Wrote:  
(12-03-2014 11:09 AM)mainejeff Wrote:  Nobody is leaving the stable Patriot for the mess that is the CAA.

And nobody is joining the stable Patriot for football to be hamstrung by their academic index, no redshirts, and 60 scholarship limit. They remain at risk of losing Georgetown and Fordham.

If only the CAA could recruit Fordham for all sports...doubt Georgetown would be interested.

Georgetown certainly would not be interested. Beyond their other sports being happy, they are not going to add scholarships for football. I think their football ends up in the Pioneer League.
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Is there any room in the CAA for a non FB team? 03-wink The thought of going to the ASUN makes me sick.
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(12-04-2014 08:36 AM)Tribe4SF Wrote:  
(12-03-2014 11:09 AM)mainejeff Wrote:  Nobody is leaving the stable Patriot for the mess that is the CAA.

And nobody is joining the stable Patriot for football to be hamstrung by their academic index, no redshirts, and 60 scholarship limit.

And nobody (ie. Albany and Stony Brook) is joining the 1 bid CAA for all sports when they are already in the CAA for football. I was surprised at how that hand was played by Yeager. You would have thought that he would have told them all or nothing.

Anyway, that ship has sailed on Albany and Stony Brook. They like the 1 in 9 chance to get an NCAA bid better than a 1 in 12 chance plus greater travel expenses. The academic side is a wash.
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(12-04-2014 12:42 PM)BeliefBlazer Wrote:  Is there any room in the CAA for a non FB team? 03-wink The thought of going to the ASUN makes me sick.

UAB would be a great add to the CAA. Contrary to many posts, the CAA is not "falling apart".

The CAA lost three football programs, ODU, GaSt, and UMass.
ODU and GaSt were not in CAA FB long enough to be statistically significant.
Replacements, SBU and Albany have enough of a commitment to be perennial playoff contenders and more than adequately replace UMass.
Elon has a lot of potential and commitment, and likely benefits from increased CAA exposure with respect to recruiting. JMU is the only program that might leave, and it doesn't look like that will happen anytime soon.
So, en total, the CAA football is at worst a wash, but probably slightly better than before.

The CAA lost it's "big three" (ODU, GMU, VCU) MBB schools, all quality programs, and that hurt. New addition Elon has a way to go, but CoC will be perennially very good. MBB and non revenue sports are stable, and there is still a quality basketball nucleus.

The sky is not falling on the CAA.
JMU is the only program that might leave someday, and even so, as far as revenue sports, it only really affects football, as it is not a power, nor going to be, in MBB. CAA Football will still be very strong with or without them.

So, the CAA is really in good shape except that it could use a strong MBB program. It seems to me that UAB would certainly fill that requirement nicely.
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I wouldn't be against UAB in a lot of ways, but the big problem is geography. Atlanta was bad enough, but that becomes a flight for every single opponent.
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(12-04-2014 01:12 PM)mainejeff Wrote:  
(12-04-2014 08:36 AM)Tribe4SF Wrote:  
(12-03-2014 11:09 AM)mainejeff Wrote:  Nobody is leaving the stable Patriot for the mess that is the CAA.

And nobody is joining the stable Patriot for football to be hamstrung by their academic index, no redshirts, and 60 scholarship limit.

And nobody (ie. Albany and Stony Brook) is joining the 1 bid CAA for all sports when they are already in the CAA for football.

Nor will they be asked....
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(12-04-2014 02:09 PM)Sitting bull Wrote:  
(12-04-2014 01:12 PM)mainejeff Wrote:  
(12-04-2014 08:36 AM)Tribe4SF Wrote:  
(12-03-2014 11:09 AM)mainejeff Wrote:  Nobody is leaving the stable Patriot for the mess that is the CAA.

And nobody is joining the stable Patriot for football to be hamstrung by their academic index, no redshirts, and 60 scholarship limit.

And nobody (ie. Albany and Stony Brook) is joining the 1 bid CAA for all sports when they are already in the CAA for football.

Nor will they be asked....

Agreed. One of them already has been asked and they said no.
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(12-04-2014 03:51 PM)mainejeff Wrote:  
(12-04-2014 02:09 PM)Sitting bull Wrote:  
(12-04-2014 01:12 PM)mainejeff Wrote:  
(12-04-2014 08:36 AM)Tribe4SF Wrote:  
(12-03-2014 11:09 AM)mainejeff Wrote:  Nobody is leaving the stable Patriot for the mess that is the CAA.

And nobody is joining the stable Patriot for football to be hamstrung by their academic index, no redshirts, and 60 scholarship limit.

And nobody (ie. Albany and Stony Brook) is joining the 1 bid CAA for all sports when they are already in the CAA for football.

Nor will they be asked....

Agreed. One of them already has been asked and they said no.

Yikes, then I guess they're stuck in the pitiful, bottom dwelling AEast.

Nobody will accuse them of being bright.
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Didn't Hofstra block the other one?
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Yes, and UAlbany wanted in but couldn't afford the move.

Only MJ would believe anyone would stay loyal to that dumpster fire, AEast. That's why he hangs around here.
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My recollection is UAlbany would have come for all sports if SBU was coming to CAA all sports. CAA (Yeager) wanted SBU all sports, but SBU full membership was blocked by Hofstra. I have little doubt SBU wanted and would have accepted the invite then and would take an invite now as well.
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(12-04-2014 01:30 PM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  
(12-04-2014 12:42 PM)BeliefBlazer Wrote:  Is there any room in the CAA for a non FB team? 03-wink The thought of going to the ASUN makes me sick.

UAB would be a great add to the CAA.

So, the CAA is really in good shape except that it could use a strong MBB program. It seems to me that UAB would certainly fill that requirement nicely.
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