because the BCS is going to add another league and they'll be the likely one added. BCS Commish, "Look for us to be inclusive in the furture, not exclusive. I can see us going to seven but not beyond that in the near furture."

I'm pretty sure that was said to keep the non-BCS off their backs. Good luck getting the other 6 BCS conferences to agree to split the money even more. Especially since the Big Ten and Pac-10 are unhappy as it is right now with the Rose Bowl arrangement.


They can add Boise St and fresno if the need to and with TCU and the others be as good as most leagues, including the Big East. Utah is solid, as is BYU and Colorado State most years.

You and others have been claiming this for years, but if it were true then the MWC would have added them back in 2003. Keep living in your fantasy world.

Claw, Its an assumption that the BCS wants to be exclusive and I think its an incorrect assumption. Things change and the preformance of Utah and Boise certanily have altered the position of western football. The BCS is going to have to expand and they see that. Obviously it has to be done in a careful and responsible way. Population is growing, technology is expanding, more and more schools and communities have big bucks. Nothing stays the same and I think he was telling you in that quote that expansion was coming. TCU made their move to the MWC banking on that happenng and I think they made a wise move.

They did expand with the top 12/16 rule and the extra bowl.

Why in the world is a Conference USA fan so obsessed with coming over to a Big East message board tooting the horn of the Mountain West Conference? The only thing that Utah and Boise State have proven is that non-auto teams are more than capable of making BCS bowls without having full BCS status.

Therefore, if you are one of the Big Money Old Boys, what incentive do you have to throw any more of your own hard earned money toward them than absolutely necessary? The BCS Commissioner who made that uncited quote, I will assume it was Kevin Weiberg, will not even be in charge in January 2008.

Krocker Krapp Wrote:Why in the world is a Conference USA fan so obsessed with coming over to a Big East message board tooting the horn of the Mountain West Conference? The only thing that Utah and Boise State have proven is that non-auto teams are more than capable of making BCS bowls without having full BCS status.

Therefore, if you are one of the Big Money Old Boys, what incentive do you have to throw any more of your own hard earned money toward them than absolutely necessary? The BCS Commissioner who made that uncited quote, I will assume it was Kevin Weiberg, will not even be in charge in January 2008.

Krocker, If you would read the thread before spouting off and making a fool out of yourself you would find that the subject grew out of a discussion of the Cotton bowl. I said, "in my view" that gain by being inclusive as opposed to being exclusive. Thats a point of view, nothing more or less. Do you feel threatened by the MWC in some wierd way? Everytime they come up you guys buck up. How would it affect the BE if they got an autobid?

TopCoog Wrote:

Krocker Krapp Wrote:Why in the world is a Conference USA fan so obsessed with coming over to a Big East message board tooting the horn of the Mountain West Conference? The only thing that Utah and Boise State have proven is that non-auto teams are more than capable of making BCS bowls without having full BCS status.

Therefore, if you are one of the Big Money Old Boys, what incentive do you have to throw any more of your own hard earned money toward them than absolutely necessary? The BCS Commissioner who made that uncited quote, I will assume it was Kevin Weiberg, will not even be in charge in January 2008.

Krocker, If you would read the thread before spouting off and making a fool out of yourself you would find that the subject grew out of a discussion of the Cotton bowl. I said, "in my view" that gain by being inclusive as opposed to being exclusive. Thats a point of view, nothing more or less. Do you feel threatened by the MWC in some wierd way? Everytime they come up you guys buck up. How would it affect the BE if they got an autobid?

In what way am I "making a fool" out of myself? I asked a question which you still have not answered. Your view does not matter. Neither does my view for that matter. CatsClaw, Tiger-Paul, and I have all answered your fantasy with facts. The MWC does not have the numbers on their side and the BCS is not going to suddenly have an Ebenezer Scrooge epiphany. So now you have gotten flustered and started the process of personal disparagement.

I do not care about the MWC one way or another. But I also know reality when I see it and reality says they are not in position to gain an autobid at this time and it is almost numerically impossible for them to make up all the missing ground in one year. That is the plain and simple truth. If you want hugs and kisses for what will happen "in your view," go to the MWC board, they love it oh so much when people drop by to harmoniously tickle their fancies.

Krocker Krapp Wrote:

TopCoog Wrote:

Krocker Krapp Wrote:Why in the world is a Conference USA fan so obsessed with coming over to a Big East message board tooting the horn of the Mountain West Conference? The only thing that Utah and Boise State have proven is that non-auto teams are more than capable of making BCS bowls without having full BCS status.

Therefore, if you are one of the Big Money Old Boys, what incentive do you have to throw any more of your own hard earned money toward them than absolutely necessary? The BCS Commissioner who made that uncited quote, I will assume it was Kevin Weiberg, will not even be in charge in January 2008.

Krocker, If you would read the thread before spouting off and making a fool out of yourself you would find that the subject grew out of a discussion of the Cotton bowl. I said, "in my view" that gain by being inclusive as opposed to being exclusive. Thats a point of view, nothing more or less. Do you feel threatened by the MWC in some wierd way? Everytime they come up you guys buck up. How would it affect the BE if they got an autobid?

In what way am I "making a fool" out of myself? I asked a question which you still have not answered. Your view does not matter. Neither does my view for that matter. CatsClaw, Tiger-Paul, and I have all answered your fantasy with facts. The MWC does not have the numbers on their side and the BCS is not going suddenly have an Ebenezer Scrooge epiphany. So now you have gotten flustered and started the process of personal disparagement.

I do not care about the MWC one way or another. But I also know reality when I see it and reality says they are not in position to gain an autobid at this time and it is almost numerically impossible for them to make up all the missing ground in one year. That is the plain and simple truth. If you want hugs and kisses for what will happen "in your view," go to the MWC board, they love it so much when people drop by to harmoniously tickle their fancies.

Viewpoints are like a$$ holes Krocker, we all have them. The fact is you guys do get defensive when someone brings up the mWC or Boston College for that matter. Grow up a bit and stop getting frustered everytime someone expresses a point of view you don't like.

TopCoog Wrote:

Krocker Krapp Wrote:

TopCoog Wrote:

Krocker Krapp Wrote:Why in the world is a Conference USA fan so obsessed with coming over to a Big East message board tooting the horn of the Mountain West Conference? The only thing that Utah and Boise State have proven is that non-auto teams are more than capable of making BCS bowls without having full BCS status.

Therefore, if you are one of the Big Money Old Boys, what incentive do you have to throw any more of your own hard earned money toward them than absolutely necessary? The BCS Commissioner who made that uncited quote, I will assume it was Kevin Weiberg, will not even be in charge in January 2008.

Krocker, If you would read the thread before spouting off and making a fool out of yourself you would find that the subject grew out of a discussion of the Cotton bowl. I said, "in my view" that gain by being inclusive as opposed to being exclusive. Thats a point of view, nothing more or less. Do you feel threatened by the MWC in some wierd way? Everytime they come up you guys buck up. How would it affect the BE if they got an autobid?

In what way am I "making a fool" out of myself? I asked a question which you still have not answered. Your view does not matter. Neither does my view for that matter. CatsClaw, Tiger-Paul, and I have all answered your fantasy with facts. The MWC does not have the numbers on their side and the BCS is not going to suddenly have an Ebenezer Scrooge epiphany. So now you have gotten flustered and started the process of personal disparagement.

I do not care about the MWC one way or another. But I also know reality when I see it and reality says they are not in position to gain an autobid at this time and it is almost numerically impossible for them to make up all the missing ground in one year. That is the plain and simple truth. If you want hugs and kisses for what will happen "in your view," go to the MWC board, they love it oh so much when people drop by to harmoniously tickle their fancies.

Viewpoints are like a$$ holes Krocker, we all have them. The fact is you guys do get defensive when someone brings up the mWC or Boston College for that matter. Grow up a bit and stop getting frustered everytime someone expresses a point of view you don't like.

I'm from New York. We don't forgive and forget so easily where I grew up. The MWC commissioner, administrators, coaches, and fans are the ones who started running their mouths and taking shots at the Big East when the ACC perpetrated their dastardly deeds. They should have taken the high road but they chose to kick the Big East when we were at our lowest point. They were so sure they would take our BCS bid and talked about it constantly.

I will never forget that and I will never forgive them. I do not care if they get a BCS bid or not, but the truth is the numbers are not on their side, and they might have a lot more sympathy if they had shown some class over the last few years. Now all their foul words are coming back to bite them big time. As for those lying sleazebags from BC, you know the story, don't even act like they're not the ones whose knife into our backs caused all the hatred.

Krocker Krapp Wrote:

TopCoog Wrote:

Krocker Krapp Wrote:

TopCoog Wrote:

Krocker Krapp Wrote:Why in the world is a Conference USA fan so obsessed with coming over to a Big East message board tooting the horn of the Mountain West Conference? The only thing that Utah and Boise State have proven is that non-auto teams are more than capable of making BCS bowls without having full BCS status.

Therefore, if you are one of the Big Money Old Boys, what incentive do you have to throw any more of your own hard earned money toward them than absolutely necessary? The BCS Commissioner who made that uncited quote, I will assume it was Kevin Weiberg, will not even be in charge in January 2008.

Krocker, If you would read the thread before spouting off and making a fool out of yourself you would find that the subject grew out of a discussion of the Cotton bowl. I said, "in my view" that gain by being inclusive as opposed to being exclusive. Thats a point of view, nothing more or less. Do you feel threatened by the MWC in some wierd way? Everytime they come up you guys buck up. How would it affect the BE if they got an autobid?

In what way am I "making a fool" out of myself? I asked a question which you still have not answered. Your view does not matter. Neither does my view for that matter. CatsClaw, Tiger-Paul, and I have all answered your fantasy with facts. The MWC does not have the numbers on their side and the BCS is not going to suddenly have an Ebenezer Scrooge epiphany. So now you have gotten flustered and started the process of personal disparagement.

I do not care about the MWC one way or another. But I also know reality when I see it and reality says they are not in position to gain an autobid at this time and it is almost numerically impossible for them to make up all the missing ground in one year. That is the plain and simple truth. If you want hugs and kisses for what will happen "in your view," go to the MWC board, they love it oh so much when people drop by to harmoniously tickle their fancies.

Viewpoints are like a$$ holes Krocker, we all have them. The fact is you guys do get defensive when someone brings up the mWC or Boston College for that matter. Grow up a bit and stop getting frustered everytime someone expresses a point of view you don't like.

I'm from New York. We don't forgive and forget so easily where I grew up. The MWC commissioner, administrators, coaches, and fans are the ones who started running their mouths and taking shots at the Big East when the ACC perpetrated their dastardly deeds. They should have taken the high road but they chose to kick the Big East when we were at our lowest point. They were so sure they would take our BCS bid and talked about it constantly.

I will never forget that and I will never forgive them. I do not care if they get a BCS bid or not, but the truth is the numbers are not on their side, and they might have a lot more sympathy if they had shown some class over the last few years. Now all their foul words are coming back to bite them big time. As for those lying sleazebags from BC, you know the story, don't even act like they're not the ones whose knife into our backs caused all the hatred.

How petty. Fact is that EVERYBODY was questioning whether the BE would keep their bid back then, including many big east fans. As for BC every fricking one of you would jump at the ACC if they called in the morning and you know it. In fact, they only thing that kept Syracuse out of the ACC was the political thing in Virginia. jesus, its only a game. The way you talk if the ACC takes another one of your teams you'll jump off a bridge.

TopCoog Wrote:

Krocker Krapp Wrote:

TopCoog Wrote:

Krocker Krapp Wrote:

TopCoog Wrote:

Krocker Krapp Wrote:Why in the world is a Conference USA fan so obsessed with coming over to a Big East message board tooting the horn of the Mountain West Conference? The only thing that Utah and Boise State have proven is that non-auto teams are more than capable of making BCS bowls without having full BCS status.

Therefore, if you are one of the Big Money Old Boys, what incentive do you have to throw any more of your own hard earned money toward them than absolutely necessary? The BCS Commissioner who made that uncited quote, I will assume it was Kevin Weiberg, will not even be in charge in January 2008.

Krocker, If you would read the thread before spouting off and making a fool out of yourself you would find that the subject grew out of a discussion of the Cotton bowl. I said, "in my view" that gain by being inclusive as opposed to being exclusive. Thats a point of view, nothing more or less. Do you feel threatened by the MWC in some wierd way? Everytime they come up you guys buck up. How would it affect the BE if they got an autobid?

In what way am I "making a fool" out of myself? I asked a question which you still have not answered. Your view does not matter. Neither does my view for that matter. CatsClaw, Tiger-Paul, and I have all answered your fantasy with facts. The MWC does not have the numbers on their side and the BCS is not going to suddenly have an Ebenezer Scrooge epiphany. So now you have gotten flustered and started the process of personal disparagement.

I do not care about the MWC one way or another. But I also know reality when I see it and reality says they are not in position to gain an autobid at this time and it is almost numerically impossible for them to make up all the missing ground in one year. That is the plain and simple truth. If you want hugs and kisses for what will happen "in your view," go to the MWC board, they love it oh so much when people drop by to harmoniously tickle their fancies.

Viewpoints are like a$$ holes Krocker, we all have them. The fact is you guys do get defensive when someone brings up the mWC or Boston College for that matter. Grow up a bit and stop getting frustered everytime someone expresses a point of view you don't like.

I'm from New York. We don't forgive and forget so easily where I grew up. The MWC commissioner, administrators, coaches, and fans are the ones who started running their mouths and taking shots at the Big East when the ACC perpetrated their dastardly deeds. They should have taken the high road but they chose to kick the Big East when we were at our lowest point. They were so sure they would take our BCS bid and talked about it constantly.

I will never forget that and I will never forgive them. I do not care if they get a BCS bid or not, but the truth is the numbers are not on their side, and they might have a lot more sympathy if they had shown some class over the last few years. Now all their foul words are coming back to bite them big time. As for those lying sleazebags from BC, you know the story, don't even act like they're not the ones whose knife into our backs caused all the hatred.

How petty. Fact is that EVERYBODY was questioning whether the BE would keep their bid back then, including many big east fans. As for BC every fricking one of you would jump at the ACC if they called in the morning and you know it. In fact, they only thing that kept Syracuse out of the ACC was the political thing in Virginia. jesus, its only a game. The way you talk if the ACC takes another one of your teams you'll jump off a bridge.

Mike Tranghese never questioned our BCS status and he was right as it turned out. His opinion is the one that counted in this matter. As for any current Big East team wanting to jump to the ACC in the morning, after the year we just had, you must be on crack. The ACC had better worry about losing teams to us next time around. The sands of time have shifted. It is 2007. Stop living in the past. It is not only a game. It is about the way you do things and the ACC chose to do things the wrong way. The Big East does things honorably. And, if you really need to take the Lord's name in vain, at least have enough respect to capitalize the J.

Krocker Krapp Wrote:

TopCoog Wrote:

Krocker Krapp Wrote:

TopCoog Wrote:

Krocker Krapp Wrote:

TopCoog Wrote:

Krocker Krapp Wrote:Why in the world is a Conference USA fan so obsessed with coming over to a Big East message board tooting the horn of the Mountain West Conference? The only thing that Utah and Boise State have proven is that non-auto teams are more than capable of making BCS bowls without having full BCS status.

Therefore, if you are one of the Big Money Old Boys, what incentive do you have to throw any more of your own hard earned money toward them than absolutely necessary? The BCS Commissioner who made that uncited quote, I will assume it was Kevin Weiberg, will not even be in charge in January 2008.

Krocker, If you would read the thread before spouting off and making a fool out of yourself you would find that the subject grew out of a discussion of the Cotton bowl. I said, "in my view" that gain by being inclusive as opposed to being exclusive. Thats a point of view, nothing more or less. Do you feel threatened by the MWC in some wierd way? Everytime they come up you guys buck up. How would it affect the BE if they got an autobid?

In what way am I "making a fool" out of myself? I asked a question which you still have not answered. Your view does not matter. Neither does my view for that matter. CatsClaw, Tiger-Paul, and I have all answered your fantasy with facts. The MWC does not have the numbers on their side and the BCS is not going to suddenly have an Ebenezer Scrooge epiphany. So now you have gotten flustered and started the process of personal disparagement.

I do not care about the MWC one way or another. But I also know reality when I see it and reality says they are not in position to gain an autobid at this time and it is almost numerically impossible for them to make up all the missing ground in one year. That is the plain and simple truth. If you want hugs and kisses for what will happen "in your view," go to the MWC board, they love it oh so much when people drop by to harmoniously tickle their fancies.

Viewpoints are like a$$ holes Krocker, we all have them. The fact is you guys do get defensive when someone brings up the mWC or Boston College for that matter. Grow up a bit and stop getting frustered everytime someone expresses a point of view you don't like.

I'm from New York. We don't forgive and forget so easily where I grew up. The MWC commissioner, administrators, coaches, and fans are the ones who started running their mouths and taking shots at the Big East when the ACC perpetrated their dastardly deeds. They should have taken the high road but they chose to kick the Big East when we were at our lowest point. They were so sure they would take our BCS bid and talked about it constantly.

I will never forget that and I will never forgive them. I do not care if they get a BCS bid or not, but the truth is the numbers are not on their side, and they might have a lot more sympathy if they had shown some class over the last few years. Now all their foul words are coming back to bite them big time. As for those lying sleazebags from BC, you know the story, don't even act like they're not the ones whose knife into our backs caused all the hatred.

How petty. Fact is that EVERYBODY was questioning whether the BE would keep their bid back then, including many big east fans. As for BC every fricking one of you would jump at the ACC if they called in the morning and you know it. In fact, they only thing that kept Syracuse out of the ACC was the political thing in Virginia. jesus, its only a game. The way you talk if the ACC takes another one of your teams you'll jump off a bridge.

Mike Tranghese never questioned our BCS status and he was right as it turned out. His opinion is the one that counted in this matter. As for any current Big East team wanting to jump to the ACC in the morning, after the year we just had, you must be on crack. The ACC had better worry about losing teams to us next time around. The sands of time have shifted. It is 2007. Stop living in the past. It is not only a game. It is about the way you do things and the ACC chose to do things the wrong way. The Big East does things honorably. And, if you really need to take the Lord's name in vain, at least have enough respect to capitalize the J.

The ACC has a bigger pecker than the Big east. Thats not an insult, just a fact. Any of your schools would go there and still may before the smoke clears down the line. Its pone thing to support your league, quite another to live in dream land all the time. The ACC is FULL of land grant schools that you guys do not have.

TopCoog Wrote:

Krocker Krapp Wrote:

TopCoog Wrote:

Krocker Krapp Wrote:

TopCoog Wrote:

Krocker Krapp Wrote:

TopCoog Wrote:

Krocker Krapp Wrote:Why in the world is a Conference USA fan so obsessed with coming over to a Big East message board tooting the horn of the Mountain West Conference? The only thing that Utah and Boise State have proven is that non-auto teams are more than capable of making BCS bowls without having full BCS status.

Therefore, if you are one of the Big Money Old Boys, what incentive do you have to throw any more of your own hard earned money toward them than absolutely necessary? The BCS Commissioner who made that uncited quote, I will assume it was Kevin Weiberg, will not even be in charge in January 2008.

Krocker, If you would read the thread before spouting off and making a fool out of yourself you would find that the subject grew out of a discussion of the Cotton bowl. I said, "in my view" that gain by being inclusive as opposed to being exclusive. Thats a point of view, nothing more or less. Do you feel threatened by the MWC in some wierd way? Everytime they come up you guys buck up. How would it affect the BE if they got an autobid?

In what way am I "making a fool" out of myself? I asked a question which you still have not answered. Your view does not matter. Neither does my view for that matter. CatsClaw, Tiger-Paul, and I have all answered your fantasy with facts. The MWC does not have the numbers on their side and the BCS is not going to suddenly have an Ebenezer Scrooge epiphany. So now you have gotten flustered and started the process of personal disparagement.

I do not care about the MWC one way or another. But I also know reality when I see it and reality says they are not in position to gain an autobid at this time and it is almost numerically impossible for them to make up all the missing ground in one year. That is the plain and simple truth. If you want hugs and kisses for what will happen "in your view," go to the MWC board, they love it oh so much when people drop by to harmoniously tickle their fancies.

Viewpoints are like a$$ holes Krocker, we all have them. The fact is you guys do get defensive when someone brings up the mWC or Boston College for that matter. Grow up a bit and stop getting frustered everytime someone expresses a point of view you don't like.

I'm from New York. We don't forgive and forget so easily where I grew up. The MWC commissioner, administrators, coaches, and fans are the ones who started running their mouths and taking shots at the Big East when the ACC perpetrated their dastardly deeds. They should have taken the high road but they chose to kick the Big East when we were at our lowest point. They were so sure they would take our BCS bid and talked about it constantly.

I will never forget that and I will never forgive them. I do not care if they get a BCS bid or not, but the truth is the numbers are not on their side, and they might have a lot more sympathy if they had shown some class over the last few years. Now all their foul words are coming back to bite them big time. As for those lying sleazebags from BC, you know the story, don't even act like they're not the ones whose knife into our backs caused all the hatred.

How petty. Fact is that EVERYBODY was questioning whether the BE would keep their bid back then, including many big east fans. As for BC every fricking one of you would jump at the ACC if they called in the morning and you know it. In fact, they only thing that kept Syracuse out of the ACC was the political thing in Virginia. jesus, its only a game. The way you talk if the ACC takes another one of your teams you'll jump off a bridge.

Mike Tranghese never questioned our BCS status and he was right as it turned out. His opinion is the one that counted in this matter. As for any current Big East team wanting to jump to the ACC in the morning, after the year we just had, you must be on crack. The ACC had better worry about losing teams to us next time around. The sands of time have shifted. It is 2007. Stop living in the past. It is not only a game. It is about the way you do things and the ACC chose to do things the wrong way. The Big East does things honorably. And, if you really need to take the Lord's name in vain, at least have enough respect to capitalize the J.

The ACC has a bigger pecker than the Big east. Thats not an insult, just a fact. Any of your schools would go there and still may before the smoke clears down the line. Its pone thing to support your league, quite another to live in dream land all the time. The ACC is FULL of land grant schools that you guys do not have.

Just like the Big East has a bigger pecker then the C-USA especially with half of C-USA would give their left nut to join our little club.

TopCoog Wrote:

Krocker Krapp Wrote:

TopCoog Wrote:

Krocker Krapp Wrote:

TopCoog Wrote:

Krocker Krapp Wrote:

TopCoog Wrote:

Krocker Krapp Wrote:Why in the world is a Conference USA fan so obsessed with coming over to a Big East message board tooting the horn of the Mountain West Conference? The only thing that Utah and Boise State have proven is that non-auto teams are more than capable of making BCS bowls without having full BCS status.

Therefore, if you are one of the Big Money Old Boys, what incentive do you have to throw any more of your own hard earned money toward them than absolutely necessary? The BCS Commissioner who made that uncited quote, I will assume it was Kevin Weiberg, will not even be in charge in January 2008.

Krocker, If you would read the thread before spouting off and making a fool out of yourself you would find that the subject grew out of a discussion of the Cotton bowl. I said, "in my view" that gain by being inclusive as opposed to being exclusive. Thats a point of view, nothing more or less. Do you feel threatened by the MWC in some wierd way? Everytime they come up you guys buck up. How would it affect the BE if they got an autobid?

In what way am I "making a fool" out of myself? I asked a question which you still have not answered. Your view does not matter. Neither does my view for that matter. CatsClaw, Tiger-Paul, and I have all answered your fantasy with facts. The MWC does not have the numbers on their side and the BCS is not going to suddenly have an Ebenezer Scrooge epiphany. So now you have gotten flustered and started the process of personal disparagement.

I do not care about the MWC one way or another. But I also know reality when I see it and reality says they are not in position to gain an autobid at this time and it is almost numerically impossible for them to make up all the missing ground in one year. That is the plain and simple truth. If you want hugs and kisses for what will happen "in your view," go to the MWC board, they love it oh so much when people drop by to harmoniously tickle their fancies.

Viewpoints are like a$$ holes Krocker, we all have them. The fact is you guys do get defensive when someone brings up the mWC or Boston College for that matter. Grow up a bit and stop getting frustered everytime someone expresses a point of view you don't like.

I'm from New York. We don't forgive and forget so easily where I grew up. The MWC commissioner, administrators, coaches, and fans are the ones who started running their mouths and taking shots at the Big East when the ACC perpetrated their dastardly deeds. They should have taken the high road but they chose to kick the Big East when we were at our lowest point. They were so sure they would take our BCS bid and talked about it constantly.

I will never forget that and I will never forgive them. I do not care if they get a BCS bid or not, but the truth is the numbers are not on their side, and they might have a lot more sympathy if they had shown some class over the last few years. Now all their foul words are coming back to bite them big time. As for those lying sleazebags from BC, you know the story, don't even act like they're not the ones whose knife into our backs caused all the hatred.

How petty. Fact is that EVERYBODY was questioning whether the BE would keep their bid back then, including many big east fans. As for BC every fricking one of you would jump at the ACC if they called in the morning and you know it. In fact, they only thing that kept Syracuse out of the ACC was the political thing in Virginia. jesus, its only a game. The way you talk if the ACC takes another one of your teams you'll jump off a bridge.

Mike Tranghese never questioned our BCS status and he was right as it turned out. His opinion is the one that counted in this matter. As for any current Big East team wanting to jump to the ACC in the morning, after the year we just had, you must be on crack. The ACC had better worry about losing teams to us next time around. The sands of time have shifted. It is 2007. Stop living in the past. It is not only a game. It is about the way you do things and the ACC chose to do things the wrong way. The Big East does things honorably. And, if you really need to take the Lord's name in vain, at least have enough respect to capitalize the J.

The ACC has a bigger pecker than the Big east. Thats not an insult, just a fact. Any of your schools would go there and still may before the smoke clears down the line. Its pone thing to support your league, quite another to live in dream land all the time. The ACC is FULL of land grant schools that you guys do not have.

And the Big East has a bigger pecking order then C-USA, that's not an insult just a fact. Any of your schools would go there and still may before the smoke clears down the line. Its one thig to support your league, quite another to live in dream land all the time. The Big East is FULL of research schools that you guys do not have. How did you like that?

TopCoog Wrote:

Krocker Krapp Wrote:

TopCoog Wrote:

Krocker Krapp Wrote:Why in the world is a Conference USA fan so obsessed with coming over to a Big East message board tooting the horn of the Mountain West Conference? The only thing that Utah and Boise State have proven is that non-auto teams are more than capable of making BCS bowls without having full BCS status.

Therefore, if you are one of the Big Money Old Boys, what incentive do you have to throw any more of your own hard earned money toward them than absolutely necessary? The BCS Commissioner who made that uncited quote, I will assume it was Kevin Weiberg, will not even be in charge in January 2008.

Krocker, If you would read the thread before spouting off and making a fool out of yourself you would find that the subject grew out of a discussion of the Cotton bowl. I said, "in my view" that gain by being inclusive as opposed to being exclusive. Thats a point of view, nothing more or less. Do you feel threatened by the MWC in some wierd way? Everytime they come up you guys buck up. How would it affect the BE if they got an autobid?

In what way am I "making a fool" out of myself? I asked a question which you still have not answered. Your view does not matter. Neither does my view for that matter. CatsClaw, Tiger-Paul, and I have all answered your fantasy with facts. The MWC does not have the numbers on their side and the BCS is not going suddenly have an Ebenezer Scrooge epiphany. So now you have gotten flustered and started the process of personal disparagement.

I do not care about the MWC one way or another. But I also know reality when I see it and reality says they are not in position to gain an autobid at this time and it is almost numerically impossible for them to make up all the missing ground in one year. That is the plain and simple truth. If you want hugs and kisses for what will happen "in your view," go to the MWC board, they love it so much when people drop by to harmoniously tickle their fancies.

Viewpoints are like a$$ holes Krocker, we all have them. The fact is you guys do get defensive when someone brings up the mWC or Boston College for that matter. Grow up a bit and stop getting frustered everytime someone expresses a point of view you don't like.

And you get defensive whenever we talk about taking one of your shcools from you. Aren't you the one that whines that expansion won't happen? So the Big East won't take a C-USA schools but the ACC will take a Big East school? Right.

Grow up a bit and stop getting frustered everytime someone expresses a point of view you don't like.

Talk about the pot calling the kettle black! So does that mean you're not going to come over here and b*tch and moan next time someone brings up Big East expansion?[/b]

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Krocker Krapp Wrote:Why in the world is a Conference USA fan so obsessed with coming over to a Big East message board tooting the horn of the Mountain West Conference? The only thing that Utah and Boise State have proven is that non-auto teams are more than capable of making BCS bowls without having full BCS status.

Therefore, if you are one of the Big Money Old Boys, what incentive do you have to throw any more of your own hard earned money toward them than absolutely necessary? The BCS Commissioner who made that uncited quote, I will assume it was Kevin Weiberg, will not even be in charge in January 2008.

Krocker, If you would read the thread before spouting off and making a fool out of yourself you would find that the subject grew out of a discussion of the Cotton bowl. I said, "in my view" that gain by being inclusive as opposed to being exclusive. Thats a point of view, nothing more or less. Do you feel threatened by the MWC in some wierd way? Everytime they come up you guys buck up. How would it affect the BE if they got an autobid?

In what way am I "making a fool" out of myself? I asked a question which you still have not answered. Your view does not matter. Neither does my view for that matter. CatsClaw, Tiger-Paul, and I have all answered your fantasy with facts. The MWC does not have the numbers on their side and the BCS is not going to suddenly have an Ebenezer Scrooge epiphany. So now you have gotten flustered and started the process of personal disparagement.

I do not care about the MWC one way or another. But I also know reality when I see it and reality says they are not in position to gain an autobid at this time and it is almost numerically impossible for them to make up all the missing ground in one year. That is the plain and simple truth. If you want hugs and kisses for what will happen "in your view," go to the MWC board, they love it oh so much when people drop by to harmoniously tickle their fancies.

Viewpoints are like a$$ holes Krocker, we all have them. The fact is you guys do get defensive when someone brings up the mWC or Boston College for that matter. Grow up a bit and stop getting frustered everytime someone expresses a point of view you don't like.

I'm from New York. We don't forgive and forget so easily where I grew up. The MWC commissioner, administrators, coaches, and fans are the ones who started running their mouths and taking shots at the Big East when the ACC perpetrated their dastardly deeds. They should have taken the high road but they chose to kick the Big East when we were at our lowest point. They were so sure they would take our BCS bid and talked about it constantly.

I will never forget that and I will never forgive them. I do not care if they get a BCS bid or not, but the truth is the numbers are not on their side, and they might have a lot more sympathy if they had shown some class over the last few years. Now all their foul words are coming back to bite them big time. As for those lying sleazebags from BC, you know the story, don't even act like they're not the ones whose knife into our backs caused all the hatred.

How petty. Fact is that EVERYBODY was questioning whether the BE would keep their bid back then, including many big east fans. As for BC every fricking one of you would jump at the ACC if they called in the morning and you know it. In fact, they only thing that kept Syracuse out of the ACC was the political thing in Virginia. jesus, its only a game. The way you talk if the ACC takes another one of your teams you'll jump off a bridge.

Actually you're the one ready to jump off a bridge the next time the Big East comes calling.

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TopCoog Wrote:

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Krocker Krapp Wrote:Why in the world is a Conference USA fan so obsessed with coming over to a Big East message board tooting the horn of the Mountain West Conference? The only thing that Utah and Boise State have proven is that non-auto teams are more than capable of making BCS bowls without having full BCS status.

Therefore, if you are one of the Big Money Old Boys, what incentive do you have to throw any more of your own hard earned money toward them than absolutely necessary? The BCS Commissioner who made that uncited quote, I will assume it was Kevin Weiberg, will not even be in charge in January 2008.

Krocker, If you would read the thread before spouting off and making a fool out of yourself you would find that the subject grew out of a discussion of the Cotton bowl. I said, "in my view" that gain by being inclusive as opposed to being exclusive. Thats a point of view, nothing more or less. Do you feel threatened by the MWC in some wierd way? Everytime they come up you guys buck up. How would it affect the BE if they got an autobid?

In what way am I "making a fool" out of myself? I asked a question which you still have not answered. Your view does not matter. Neither does my view for that matter. CatsClaw, Tiger-Paul, and I have all answered your fantasy with facts. The MWC does not have the numbers on their side and the BCS is not going to suddenly have an Ebenezer Scrooge epiphany. So now you have gotten flustered and started the process of personal disparagement.

I do not care about the MWC one way or another. But I also know reality when I see it and reality says they are not in position to gain an autobid at this time and it is almost numerically impossible for them to make up all the missing ground in one year. That is the plain and simple truth. If you want hugs and kisses for what will happen "in your view," go to the MWC board, they love it oh so much when people drop by to harmoniously tickle their fancies.

Viewpoints are like a$$ holes Krocker, we all have them. The fact is you guys do get defensive when someone brings up the mWC or Boston College for that matter. Grow up a bit and stop getting frustered everytime someone expresses a point of view you don't like.

I'm from New York. We don't forgive and forget so easily where I grew up. The MWC commissioner, administrators, coaches, and fans are the ones who started running their mouths and taking shots at the Big East when the ACC perpetrated their dastardly deeds. They should have taken the high road but they chose to kick the Big East when we were at our lowest point. They were so sure they would take our BCS bid and talked about it constantly.

I will never forget that and I will never forgive them. I do not care if they get a BCS bid or not, but the truth is the numbers are not on their side, and they might have a lot more sympathy if they had shown some class over the last few years. Now all their foul words are coming back to bite them big time. As for those lying sleazebags from BC, you know the story, don't even act like they're not the ones whose knife into our backs caused all the hatred.

How petty. Fact is that EVERYBODY was questioning whether the BE would keep their bid back then, including many big east fans. As for BC every fricking one of you would jump at the ACC if they called in the morning and you know it. In fact, they only thing that kept Syracuse out of the ACC was the political thing in Virginia. jesus, its only a game. The way you talk if the ACC takes another one of your teams you'll jump off a bridge.

Mike Tranghese never questioned our BCS status and he was right as it turned out. His opinion is the one that counted in this matter. As for any current Big East team wanting to jump to the ACC in the morning, after the year we just had, you must be on crack. The ACC had better worry about losing teams to us next time around. The sands of time have shifted. It is 2007. Stop living in the past. It is not only a game. It is about the way you do things and the ACC chose to do things the wrong way. The Big East does things honorably. And, if you really need to take the Lord's name in vain, at least have enough respect to capitalize the J.

The ACC has a bigger pecker than the Big east. Thats not an insult, just a fact. Any of your schools would go there and still may before the smoke clears down the line. Its pone thing to support your league, quite another to live in dream land all the time. The ACC is FULL of land grant schools that you guys do not have.

Just like the Big East has a bigger pecker then the C-USA especially with half of C-USA would give their left nut to join our little club.

He can't stand the fact that, thanks to the Big East's new television contract we don't have to take a back seat to the ACC or anyone else. The only reason Syracuse and Boston College wanted to leave was because they thought the Big East was losing their BCS bid with Miami leaving. Obviously that wasn't the case.

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Krocker Krapp Wrote:

TopCoog Wrote:

Krocker Krapp Wrote:Why in the world is a Conference USA fan so obsessed with coming over to a Big East message board tooting the horn of the Mountain West Conference? The only thing that Utah and Boise State have proven is that non-auto teams are more than capable of making BCS bowls without having full BCS status.

Therefore, if you are one of the Big Money Old Boys, what incentive do you have to throw any more of your own hard earned money toward them than absolutely necessary? The BCS Commissioner who made that uncited quote, I will assume it was Kevin Weiberg, will not even be in charge in January 2008.

Krocker, If you would read the thread before spouting off and making a fool out of yourself you would find that the subject grew out of a discussion of the Cotton bowl. I said, "in my view" that gain by being inclusive as opposed to being exclusive. Thats a point of view, nothing more or less. Do you feel threatened by the MWC in some wierd way? Everytime they come up you guys buck up. How would it affect the BE if they got an autobid?

In what way am I "making a fool" out of myself? I asked a question which you still have not answered. Your view does not matter. Neither does my view for that matter. CatsClaw, Tiger-Paul, and I have all answered your fantasy with facts. The MWC does not have the numbers on their side and the BCS is not going suddenly have an Ebenezer Scrooge epiphany. So now you have gotten flustered and started the process of personal disparagement.

I do not care about the MWC one way or another. But I also know reality when I see it and reality says they are not in position to gain an autobid at this time and it is almost numerically impossible for them to make up all the missing ground in one year. That is the plain and simple truth. If you want hugs and kisses for what will happen "in your view," go to the MWC board, they love it so much when people drop by to harmoniously tickle their fancies.

Viewpoints are like a$$ holes Krocker, we all have them. The fact is you guys do get defensive when someone brings up the mWC or Boston College for that matter. Grow up a bit and stop getting frustered everytime someone expresses a point of view you don't like.

And you get defensive whenever we talk about taking one of your shcools from you. Aren't you the one that whines that expansion won't happen? So the Big East won't take a C-USA schools but the ACC will take a Big East school? Right.

Grow up a bit and stop getting frustered everytime someone expresses a point of view you don't like.

Talk about the pot calling the kettle black! So does that mean you're not going to come over here and b*tch and moan next time someone brings up Big East expansion?

The funniest thing of all is that I just kept answering in a normal tone, while he started using slightly obscured profanity and eventually turned to talking about phallic objects, yet I was supposed to be the one getting "frustered" (whatever that non-lexicographical term means). Thank goodness Pitt and Marquette went into overtime to pull me away from this silliness.

Krocker Krapp Wrote:

CatsClaw Wrote:

TopCoog Wrote:

Krocker Krapp Wrote:

TopCoog Wrote:

Krocker Krapp Wrote:Why in the world is a Conference USA fan so obsessed with coming over to a Big East message board tooting the horn of the Mountain West Conference? The only thing that Utah and Boise State have proven is that non-auto teams are more than capable of making BCS bowls without having full BCS status.

Therefore, if you are one of the Big Money Old Boys, what incentive do you have to throw any more of your own hard earned money toward them than absolutely necessary? The BCS Commissioner who made that uncited quote, I will assume it was Kevin Weiberg, will not even be in charge in January 2008.

Krocker, If you would read the thread before spouting off and making a fool out of yourself you would find that the subject grew out of a discussion of the Cotton bowl. I said, "in my view" that gain by being inclusive as opposed to being exclusive. Thats a point of view, nothing more or less. Do you feel threatened by the MWC in some wierd way? Everytime they come up you guys buck up. How would it affect the BE if they got an autobid?

In what way am I "making a fool" out of myself? I asked a question which you still have not answered. Your view does not matter. Neither does my view for that matter. CatsClaw, Tiger-Paul, and I have all answered your fantasy with facts. The MWC does not have the numbers on their side and the BCS is not going suddenly have an Ebenezer Scrooge epiphany. So now you have gotten flustered and started the process of personal disparagement.

I do not care about the MWC one way or another. But I also know reality when I see it and reality says they are not in position to gain an autobid at this time and it is almost numerically impossible for them to make up all the missing ground in one year. That is the plain and simple truth. If you want hugs and kisses for what will happen "in your view," go to the MWC board, they love it so much when people drop by to harmoniously tickle their fancies.

Viewpoints are like a$$ holes Krocker, we all have them. The fact is you guys do get defensive when someone brings up the mWC or Boston College for that matter. Grow up a bit and stop getting frustered everytime someone expresses a point of view you don't like.

And you get defensive whenever we talk about taking one of your shcools from you. Aren't you the one that whines that expansion won't happen? So the Big East won't take a C-USA schools but the ACC will take a Big East school? Right.

Grow up a bit and stop getting frustered everytime someone expresses a point of view you don't like.

Talk about the pot calling the kettle black! So does that mean you're not going to come over here and b*tch and moan next time someone brings up Big East expansion?

The funniest thing of all is that I just kept answering in a normal tone, while he started using slightly obscured profanity and eventually turned to talking about phallic objects, yet I was supposed to be the one getting "frustered" (whatever that non-lexicographical term means). Thank goodness Pitt and Marquette went into overtime to pull me away from this silliness.

Nonsense Krocker, This whole thing started when you and a couple of other got their panties in a wad stemming out of the Cotton bowl BCS topic. Some of you are down right wierd. You profess to hate BC because they wanted to go to anpothewr league....how childish is that?

I don't hate BC. But I do love to see them lose.

TopCoog Wrote:

Krocker Krapp Wrote:

CatsClaw Wrote:

TopCoog Wrote:

Krocker Krapp Wrote:

TopCoog Wrote:

Krocker Krapp Wrote:Why in the world is a Conference USA fan so obsessed with coming over to a Big East message board tooting the horn of the Mountain West Conference? The only thing that Utah and Boise State have proven is that non-auto teams are more than capable of making BCS bowls without having full BCS status.

Therefore, if you are one of the Big Money Old Boys, what incentive do you have to throw any more of your own hard earned money toward them than absolutely necessary? The BCS Commissioner who made that uncited quote, I will assume it was Kevin Weiberg, will not even be in charge in January 2008.

Krocker, If you would read the thread before spouting off and making a fool out of yourself you would find that the subject grew out of a discussion of the Cotton bowl. I said, "in my view" that gain by being inclusive as opposed to being exclusive. Thats a point of view, nothing more or less. Do you feel threatened by the MWC in some wierd way? Everytime they come up you guys buck up. How would it affect the BE if they got an autobid?

In what way am I "making a fool" out of myself? I asked a question which you still have not answered. Your view does not matter. Neither does my view for that matter. CatsClaw, Tiger-Paul, and I have all answered your fantasy with facts. The MWC does not have the numbers on their side and the BCS is not going suddenly have an Ebenezer Scrooge epiphany. So now you have gotten flustered and started the process of personal disparagement.

I do not care about the MWC one way or another. But I also know reality when I see it and reality says they are not in position to gain an autobid at this time and it is almost numerically impossible for them to make up all the missing ground in one year. That is the plain and simple truth. If you want hugs and kisses for what will happen "in your view," go to the MWC board, they love it so much when people drop by to harmoniously tickle their fancies.

Viewpoints are like a$$ holes Krocker, we all have them. The fact is you guys do get defensive when someone brings up the mWC or Boston College for that matter. Grow up a bit and stop getting frustered everytime someone expresses a point of view you don't like.

And you get defensive whenever we talk about taking one of your shcools from you. Aren't you the one that whines that expansion won't happen? So the Big East won't take a C-USA schools but the ACC will take a Big East school? Right.

Grow up a bit and stop getting frustered everytime someone expresses a point of view you don't like.

Talk about the pot calling the kettle black! So does that mean you're not going to come over here and b*tch and moan next time someone brings up Big East expansion?

The funniest thing of all is that I just kept answering in a normal tone, while he started using slightly obscured profanity and eventually turned to talking about phallic objects, yet I was supposed to be the one getting "frustered" (whatever that non-lexicographical term means). Thank goodness Pitt and Marquette went into overtime to pull me away from this silliness.

Nonsense Krocker, This whole thing started when you and a couple of other got their panties in a wad stemming out of the Cotton bowl BCS topic. Some of you are down right wierd. You profess to hate BC because they wanted to go to anpothewr league....how childish is that?

No one "got their panties in a wad" about anything. People pointed out the difference between reality and fantasy. As for BC, they are not hated for going to the ACC, but rather for the knives they lodged in our backs and the blatant lies they told us on their way out the door.