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RE: If Football Is Gone - So Am I
At the very least, he will do nothing like he always does.

At worst he is in on the whole thing.
11-09-2014 11:40 PM
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(11-09-2014 11:40 PM)tibber Wrote:  At the very least, he will do nothing like he always does.

At worst he is in on the whole thing.

People like to eat – and the AD is no different.

My GUESS is, he's fully aware. He may not like it. But he is following marching orders. If he does what he's told, he gets to stay..

I just said it in another thread. I've made up my mind. If they kill football, I'm done. As painful as it is to say that, I'll walk away and won't come back. I've followed the Blazers since Bartow's first game – which I attended.

I sent two kids to and through UAB. One was in athletics. It sounds trite, but if they kill football, I'll do my part to make sure my two grandkids pick another school. I don't want them a part of a weak-kneed institution.
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I will be through with them too. Now way can they treat the fans, coaches & players like this, and expect all of us to still be on board. They will not get another dime from me.
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(11-10-2014 08:14 AM)Bham Blazer Wrote:  I will be through with them too. Now way can they treat the fans, coaches & players like this, and expect all of us to still be on board. They will not get another dime from me.

Co-sign...
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(11-08-2014 07:46 PM)tibber Wrote:  Mackin has been compromised. If he's our best hope, it's over.

He & Watts are "paper dragons."
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I don't claim to know the figures of the football program but just how much does UAB lose each year, or better over a five year period? How much loss is acceptable? When does it not become acceptable?
Some say have a football program no matter how much it cost. That seems wrong on so many levels.
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Not taking any sides on this situation but there has to be some oversight on the program.
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(11-10-2014 08:40 AM)pbt140 Wrote:  I don't claim to know the figures of the football program but just how much does UAB lose each year, or better over a five year period? How much loss is acceptable? When does it not become acceptable?
Some say have a football program no matter how much it cost. That seems wrong on so many levels.
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Not taking any sides on this situation but there has to be some oversight on the program.

Your statement alone reveals that you have taken a side. If Alabama State, South Alabama, Alabama A&M, Troy, and JSU
All public universities can have a football team why the third largest university in the state cant?
11-10-2014 08:44 AM
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(11-10-2014 08:44 AM)kdblazer Wrote:  
(11-10-2014 08:40 AM)pbt140 Wrote:  I don't claim to know the figures of the football program but just how much does UAB lose each year, or better over a five year period? How much loss is acceptable? When does it not become acceptable?
Some say have a football program no matter how much it cost. That seems wrong on so many levels.
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Not taking any sides on this situation but there has to be some oversight on the program.

Your statement alone reveals that you have taken a side. If Alabama State, South Alabama, Alabama A&M, Troy, and JSU
All public universities can have a football team why the third largest university in the state cant?

I am asking for numbers. I do know that JSU does not lose money in the football program, then again they are in the FCS. All I am asking is how much money is acceptable to lose. (I do not even know the numbers the program loses or gains) You seem to make the statement money is no object, we deserve a football team.
11-10-2014 08:51 AM
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(11-10-2014 08:51 AM)pbt140 Wrote:  
(11-10-2014 08:44 AM)kdblazer Wrote:  
(11-10-2014 08:40 AM)pbt140 Wrote:  I don't claim to know the figures of the football program but just how much does UAB lose each year, or better over a five year period? How much loss is acceptable? When does it not become acceptable?
Some say have a football program no matter how much it cost. That seems wrong on so many levels.
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Not taking any sides on this situation but there has to be some oversight on the program.

Your statement alone reveals that you have taken a side. If Alabama State, South Alabama, Alabama A&M, Troy, and JSU
All public universities can have a football team why the third largest university in the state cant?

I am asking for numbers. I do know that JSU does not lose money in the football program, then again they are in the FCS. All I am asking is how much money is acceptable to lose. (I do not even know the numbers the program loses or gains) You seem to make the statement money is no object, we deserve a football team.
If money is a problem, its a problem for all the schools I listed and more. Yet no one is trying to shut those programs down. College football was never meant to generate a profit for the institution. ...it was meant to instill school spirit and build common bonds. But back to your loosing money question, UAB showed a small profit each of the last few years.
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Thanks, just did not know the numbers. Guess I should have stayed out of this hot topic.
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(11-10-2014 08:51 AM)pbt140 Wrote:  I am asking for numbers. I do know that JSU does not lose money in the football program, then again they are in the FCS. All I am asking is how much money is acceptable to lose. (I do not even know the numbers the program loses or gains) You seem to make the statement money is no object, we deserve a football team.

To some degree that's true. 80% or so D1 schools lose money on their athletic departments. What offsets that is that sports get the school's name out there. It is an integral part of the university experience, something that cements an undergrad's loyalty to their alma mater and leads to donations and bequests later in their lives. It is well established that investing in a college sports can lead to growth in enrollment and donations.

Our numbers are bad. I'll concede that. In defense I will also say that they could be *much* better if our program were managed in a way that improved facilities to have the amenities that other schools comparable to us do. If the front end investment was made to improve things instead of actively hamstringing us, keeping us in a dump of a stadium in a bad neighborhood, one UAT abandoned as obsolete and inadequate a quarter century ago and then saying "Look, they're not very good and don't sell many tickets".

Look at Central Florida. When they joined C-USA they were pretty much our mirror image. They had an old basketball arena, an old football stadium, and little success. The Florida Trustees are committed to growing *all* the schools in their system, and basically said that that Florida and FSU had enough and could fund raise for more, and concentrated on building other schools in the system. UCF has a new basketball arena and football stadium. They hired good coaches. When the time came for conference re-alignment, they were able to move up to a better conference that had a better TV contract and bowl connections, and last year they won a BCS bowl, with the attendant payout. Their enrollment has grown over that time. They're doing the same for FIU and FAU now.

UAB *didn't* move up when all but one other team in C-USA did. We didn't have adequate facilities, and no prospect of having them any time in the foreseeable future. We could have built a small stadium at a time when construction costs and financing were at historic lows. We could be playing on campus, with our students tailgating on the quad then walking to the game instead of taking a bus to the projects. We could be getting the parking money and concessions, money we do not get now. We could not be renting a stadium, but instead renting it out from time to time for events that Birmingham currently does not have a place to host. A smaller stadium that we can actually fill would lead to increased demand for season tickets. All of this affects our bottom line, our budget could look much better.

That, however, would take forward thinking and a willingness to grow an athletic program other than UAT's. Our BoT takes the attitude of a three year old... "Mine! Mine! Mine!", and regards every T-shirt and ticket sold, every corporate donation or skybox rented as money stolen from them. They are certainly not interested in equal representation of all three member schools on the board, or even anything close. Their bias is obvious, and the direction they lean is also.
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(11-10-2014 09:01 AM)pbt140 Wrote:  Thanks, just did not know the numbers. Guess I should have stayed out of this hot topic.

It's all good, but the Clark Era will definitely improve the numbers.
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(11-09-2014 11:08 PM)Bham Blazer Wrote:  
(11-09-2014 10:44 PM)RBB Wrote:  Cajun, Mackin makes a lot more than $300k. I agree also. If UAB football is gone, then I hope he is also. If UAB football survives, then I hope the President fixes the overpriced salary situation and reduces staff in the department to cut cost.

His salary is $25,750 a month = $309,000 a year. He may have other sources of income though.

http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2012/...brian.html

That is a lot of money for someone that outsources all coaching hires (Carr); sponsorships (IMG) and has to attend UAB sporting events.

The athletic department expenses are at a record high along with the deficit. The buck stops with him.

SOMEBODY please enlighten me on what Brian Mackin has done for UAB athletics beside collect a fat check and overpay everbody and spend money. Perhaps, President Watts can save football and cut expenses.
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(11-10-2014 07:23 AM)BlazerFire Wrote:  People like to eat – and the AD is no different.

My GUESS is, he's fully aware. He may not like it. But he is following marching orders. If he does what he's told, he gets to stay..

I just said it in another thread. I've made up my mind. If they kill football, I'm done. As painful as it is to say that, I'll walk away and won't come back. I've followed the Blazers since Bartow's first game – which I attended.

I sent two kids to and through UAB. One was in athletics. It sounds trite, but if they kill football, I'll do my part to make sure my two grandkids pick another school. I don't want them a part of a weak-kneed institution.

Just do what UAB's Athletics Director did and send them to Bammer.
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I'm not going to bust his chops about that. UAB wasn't my oldest's first pick, though that's where she ended up. My youngest will likely go any place that ISN'T UAB.

I'll add this, though. Child #1 had plenty of options, and anything she received from the rural western campus was round filed, unopened.
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(11-10-2014 09:09 AM)UAB Band Dad Wrote:  
(11-10-2014 08:51 AM)pbt140 Wrote:  I am asking for numbers. I do know that JSU does not lose money in the football program, then again they are in the FCS. All I am asking is how much money is acceptable to lose. (I do not even know the numbers the program loses or gains) You seem to make the statement money is no object, we deserve a football team.

To some degree that's true. 80% or so D1 schools lose money on their athletic departments. What offsets that is that sports get the school's name out there. It is an integral part of the university experience, something that cements an undergrad's loyalty to their alma mater and leads to donations and bequests later in their lives. It is well established that investing in a college sports can lead to growth in enrollment and donations.

Our numbers are bad. I'll concede that. In defense I will also say that they could be *much* better if our program were managed in a way that improved facilities to have the amenities that other schools comparable to us do. If the front end investment was made to improve things instead of actively hamstringing us, keeping us in a dump of a stadium in a bad neighborhood, one UAT abandoned as obsolete and inadequate a quarter century ago and then saying "Look, they're not very good and don't sell many tickets".

Look at Central Florida. When they joined C-USA they were pretty much our mirror image. They had an old basketball arena, an old football stadium, and little success. The Florida Trustees are committed to growing *all* the schools in their system, and basically said that that Florida and FSU had enough and could fund raise for more, and concentrated on building other schools in the system. UCF has a new basketball arena and football stadium. They hired good coaches. When the time came for conference re-alignment, they were able to move up to a better conference that had a better TV contract and bowl connections, and last year they won a BCS bowl, with the attendant payout. Their enrollment has grown over that time. They're doing the same for FIU and FAU now.

UAB *didn't* move up when all but one other team in C-USA did. We didn't have adequate facilities, and no prospect of having them any time in the foreseeable future. We could have built a small stadium at a time when construction costs and financing were at historic lows. We could be playing on campus, with our students tailgating on the quad then walking to the game instead of taking a bus to the projects. We could be getting the parking money and concessions, money we do not get now. We could not be renting a stadium, but instead renting it out from time to time for events that Birmingham currently does not have a place to host. A smaller stadium that we can actually fill would lead to increased demand for season tickets. All of this affects our bottom line, our budget could look much better.

That, however, would take forward thinking and a willingness to grow an athletic program other than UAT's. Our BoT takes the attitude of a three year old... "Mine! Mine! Mine!", and regards every T-shirt and ticket sold, every corporate donation or skybox rented as money stolen from them. They are certainly not interested in equal representation of all three member schools on the board, or even anything close. Their bias is obvious, and the direction they lean is also.

Excellent Post!!!
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