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RE: Okay, So What Happens Next? Permutations for Big 12 & ACC with Discussion:
(09-02-2015 02:08 AM)Transic_nyc Wrote:  A columnist in Houston put out an interesting scenario that gets to 4*16. Difference here from other scenarios is while certain G5 programs move up not all P5 programs are accounted for.

[Image: wPK88AT.jpg]

Site: http://www.houstonpress.com/news/what-wo...ke-7720855

To me, the big points are:

- SEC gets into the last two true Southern states and two flagship AAU schools, which should satisfy the criteria Sankey gave at a recent press conference.

- ACC, in turn, solidifies its presence on the Atlantic coast and goes further into new territory, while sealing off New England from competitors. If they pull in the Domers then that already enhances the football product enough to keep the rest of the conference in place. The ACC still would have the greatest number of people in its footprint. If they're smart the SEC/ACC start up a joint academic consortium to best utilize the resources of the high-class private schools and the flagship schools. Basketball would still be solid even without UNC and UVA.

- Most intriguing but also problematic is the Texas 4 to the PAC. Perhaps the PAC would hold its nose and accept it as long as UT is included but would Oklahoma accept not playing both Bedlam and Red River in conference? Then the barrier the private schools have in winning admission to the PAC. I would drop Baylor and put Houston in instead but that's me.

I've come up with a decent scenario for Big 12 dissolution and realignment. The only problem is, I keep coming up 1 vote short in the Big 12. The conference needs 6 votes to dissolve, thus making GOR irrelevant. This scenario gets 5 votes. Relatively realistic in regards to academics.

B1G gets Kansas and Missouri. No GOR for Missouri, and kansas is 1 vote to dissolve.

ACC gets Texas in any scenario (ND or full). 2nd vote to dissolve.

SEC get Oklahoma, Okie State, and West Virginia. 3 more votes to dissolve.

This scenario puts B1G, ACC, and SEC at 16 teams. Perhaps one of the conferences would make a offer for all sports except football? Get that crucial final vote to dissolve.
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RE: Okay, So What Happens Next? Permutations for Big 12 & ACC with Discussion:
(09-02-2015 02:08 AM)Transic_nyc Wrote:  A columnist in Houston put out an interesting scenario that gets to 4*16. Difference here from other scenarios is while certain G5 programs move up not all P5 programs are accounted for.

[Image: wPK88AT.jpg]

Site: http://www.houstonpress.com/news/what-wo...ke-7720855

To me, the big points are:

- SEC gets into the last two true Southern states and two flagship AAU schools, which should satisfy the criteria Sankey gave at a recent press conference.

- ACC, in turn, solidifies its presence on the Atlantic coast and goes further into new territory, while sealing off New England from competitors. If they pull in the Domers then that already enhances the football product enough to keep the rest of the conference in place. The ACC still would have the greatest number of people in its footprint. If they're smart the SEC/ACC start up a joint academic consortium to best utilize the resources of the high-class private schools and the flagship schools. Basketball would still be solid even without UNC and UVA.

- Most intriguing but also problematic is the Texas 4 to the PAC. Perhaps the PAC would hold its nose and accept it as long as UT is included but would Oklahoma accept not playing both Bedlam and Red River in conference? Then the barrier the private schools have in winning admission to the PAC. I would drop Baylor and put Houston in instead but that's me.

I don't see the ACC surviving if UNC and UVA leave. I don't think the league will attract any new strong members like ND in that scenario.
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(09-02-2015 10:11 AM)5thTiger Wrote:  
(09-02-2015 02:08 AM)Transic_nyc Wrote:  A columnist in Houston put out an interesting scenario that gets to 4*16. Difference here from other scenarios is while certain G5 programs move up not all P5 programs are accounted for.

[Image: wPK88AT.jpg]

Site: http://www.houstonpress.com/news/what-wo...ke-7720855

To me, the big points are:

- SEC gets into the last two true Southern states and two flagship AAU schools, which should satisfy the criteria Sankey gave at a recent press conference.

- ACC, in turn, solidifies its presence on the Atlantic coast and goes further into new territory, while sealing off New England from competitors. If they pull in the Domers then that already enhances the football product enough to keep the rest of the conference in place. The ACC still would have the greatest number of people in its footprint. If they're smart the SEC/ACC start up a joint academic consortium to best utilize the resources of the high-class private schools and the flagship schools. Basketball would still be solid even without UNC and UVA.

- Most intriguing but also problematic is the Texas 4 to the PAC. Perhaps the PAC would hold its nose and accept it as long as UT is included but would Oklahoma accept not playing both Bedlam and Red River in conference? Then the barrier the private schools have in winning admission to the PAC. I would drop Baylor and put Houston in instead but that's me.

I've come up with a decent scenario for Big 12 dissolution and realignment. The only problem is, I keep coming up 1 vote short in the Big 12. The conference needs 6 votes to dissolve, thus making GOR irrelevant. This scenario gets 5 votes. Relatively realistic in regards to academics.

B1G gets Kansas and Missouri. No GOR for Missouri, and kansas is 1 vote to dissolve.

ACC gets Texas in any scenario (ND or full). 2nd vote to dissolve.

SEC get Oklahoma, Okie State, and West Virginia. 3 more votes to dissolve.

This scenario puts B1G, ACC, and SEC at 16 teams. Perhaps one of the conferences would make a offer for all sports except football? Get that crucial final vote to dissolve.

I think 6 are going to have to be taken between the SEC and ACC in order for both leagues to get what they want. I'm not sure where the Big Ten and Pac 12 will fall, but the ACC and SEC are essentially allied on this. They have mutual interests that overlap.

I think the SEC needs to go ahead and take OU and OSU. Those strong fan bases will only make the league better despite doubling up in a smallish market. Then KU then a 2nd Texas school(I prefer TCU for their potential being located in a large market or Tech).

SEC:

West: Texas A&M, TCU, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Missouri, Kansas
Central: Alabama, Auburn, Ole Miss, Miss State, Arkansas, LSU
East: Florida, Georgia, South Carolina, Kentucky, Tennessee, Vanderbilt

The ACC can have UT, but they need to take WVU or ISU or a 2nd TX school to make it all work. Everyone needs to bite the bullet a little bit.

The ACC could add Notre Dame and Texas before they round it out with Cincinnati and West Virginia. UC will pay dividends because there are so many ND fans in OH that it will allow the ACC to get the prime rate in a new large market. WVU will help them garner a little more of the MD market they lost when UMD left. It will also beef up subs in PA.

ACC:

West: Texas, Notre Dame, Cincinnati, West Virginia, Louisville, Pittsburgh
South: Florida State, Miami, Georgia Tech, Clemson, Wake Forest, Duke
East: North Carolina, North Carolina State, Virginia, Virginia Tech, Syracuse, Boston College

At that point the 2 18 team leagues can form their academic and scheduling alliance and both leagues will be stronger for it.
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RE: Okay, So What Happens Next? Permutations for Big 12 & ACC with Discussion:
(09-02-2015 10:11 AM)5thTiger Wrote:  
(09-02-2015 02:08 AM)Transic_nyc Wrote:  A columnist in Houston put out an interesting scenario that gets to 4*16. Difference here from other scenarios is while certain G5 programs move up not all P5 programs are accounted for.

[Image: wPK88AT.jpg]

Site: http://www.houstonpress.com/news/what-wo...ke-7720855

To me, the big points are:

- SEC gets into the last two true Southern states and two flagship AAU schools, which should satisfy the criteria Sankey gave at a recent press conference.

- ACC, in turn, solidifies its presence on the Atlantic coast and goes further into new territory, while sealing off New England from competitors. If they pull in the Domers then that already enhances the football product enough to keep the rest of the conference in place. The ACC still would have the greatest number of people in its footprint. If they're smart the SEC/ACC start up a joint academic consortium to best utilize the resources of the high-class private schools and the flagship schools. Basketball would still be solid even without UNC and UVA.

- Most intriguing but also problematic is the Texas 4 to the PAC. Perhaps the PAC would hold its nose and accept it as long as UT is included but would Oklahoma accept not playing both Bedlam and Red River in conference? Then the barrier the private schools have in winning admission to the PAC. I would drop Baylor and put Houston in instead but that's me.

I've come up with a decent scenario for Big 12 dissolution and realignment. The only problem is, I keep coming up 1 vote short in the Big 12. The conference needs 6 votes to dissolve, thus making GOR irrelevant. This scenario gets 5 votes. Relatively realistic in regards to academics.

B1G gets Kansas and Missouri. No GOR for Missouri, and kansas is 1 vote to dissolve.

ACC gets Texas in any scenario (ND or full). 2nd vote to dissolve.

SEC get Oklahoma, Okie State, and West Virginia. 3 more votes to dissolve.

This scenario puts B1G, ACC, and SEC at 16 teams. Perhaps one of the conferences would make a offer for all sports except football? Get that crucial final vote to dissolve.

If you want the Big 10 then leave. But Missouri is under a GOR, just not to the SEC, but rather to ESPN. So, they might let you transfer out. But if you left the SEC wouldn't be swapping you for 3 schools with less viewers than you have. Forget West Virginia. The focus of the SEC administration is academic adds that bring markets and branding. W.V.U. won't get in. Oklahoma State gets in if the only brand we can land is OU and there is nobody better to come along with the Sooners.

It takes 8 votes (3/4's of the membership) to get dissolution. It is in the Big 12 bylaws. 6 schools leaving could void the television contract which might have the same net affect upon the outcome, but that's debatable because the conference would have 1 year from the NCAA to grow back to 8, preferably 10 schools. If they did and kept their conference status, and their name, then all GOR's would be payable.
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(09-02-2015 04:28 PM)JRsec Wrote:  It takes 8 votes (3/4's of the membership) to get dissolution. It is in the Big 12 bylaws. 6 schools leaving could void the television contract which might have the same net affect upon the outcome, but that's debatable because the conference would have 1 year from the NCAA to grow back to 8, preferably 10 schools. If they did and kept their conference status, and their name, then all GOR's would be payable.

In that situation though, wouldn't the networks have to approve any new additions if they're going to maintain the current payments?

Whoever remains in the Big 12 would need the blessing of the network to maintain at the P5 level. Since the networks would be brokering the movement in the first place, wouldn't that lend credibility to the numbering being 6? Of course, I could be wrong.
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(09-03-2015 12:33 AM)AllTideUp Wrote:  
(09-02-2015 04:28 PM)JRsec Wrote:  It takes 8 votes (3/4's of the membership) to get dissolution. It is in the Big 12 bylaws. 6 schools leaving could void the television contract which might have the same net affect upon the outcome, but that's debatable because the conference would have 1 year from the NCAA to grow back to 8, preferably 10 schools. If they did and kept their conference status, and their name, then all GOR's would be payable.

In that situation though, wouldn't the networks have to approve any new additions if they're going to maintain the current payments?

Whoever remains in the Big 12 would need the blessing of the network to maintain at the P5 level. Since the networks would be brokering the movement in the first place, wouldn't that lend credibility to the numbering being 6? Of course, I could be wrong.

I didn't say that they would maintain their current TV contract value (they probably would not) nor did I say that they would remain a P5 conference beyond an additional year (at least that was what was afforded to the Big East). But, they do have the right to reform the Big 12 with new members, not necessarily those approved by networks since their payout may well have diminished, but it is those factors that legally give them the right to sue for damages.

So in that situation they maintain the name Big 12, get the GOR's money from the departed, maintain short term some bowl tie ins, rebuild the conference locally, and become essentially the strongest of the G conferences.

I could easily see B.Y.U., Cincinnati, Tulane, Houston, possibly S.M.U., and maybe Memphis becoming part of that newly reformed Big 12.
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RE: Okay, So What Happens Next? Permutations for Big 12 & ACC with Discussion:
(09-02-2015 04:28 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(09-02-2015 10:11 AM)5thTiger Wrote:  
(09-02-2015 02:08 AM)Transic_nyc Wrote:  A columnist in Houston put out an interesting scenario that gets to 4*16. Difference here from other scenarios is while certain G5 programs move up not all P5 programs are accounted for.

[Image: wPK88AT.jpg]

Site: http://www.houstonpress.com/news/what-wo...ke-7720855

To me, the big points are:

- SEC gets into the last two true Southern states and two flagship AAU schools, which should satisfy the criteria Sankey gave at a recent press conference.

- ACC, in turn, solidifies its presence on the Atlantic coast and goes further into new territory, while sealing off New England from competitors. If they pull in the Domers then that already enhances the football product enough to keep the rest of the conference in place. The ACC still would have the greatest number of people in its footprint. If they're smart the SEC/ACC start up a joint academic consortium to best utilize the resources of the high-class private schools and the flagship schools. Basketball would still be solid even without UNC and UVA.

- Most intriguing but also problematic is the Texas 4 to the PAC. Perhaps the PAC would hold its nose and accept it as long as UT is included but would Oklahoma accept not playing both Bedlam and Red River in conference? Then the barrier the private schools have in winning admission to the PAC. I would drop Baylor and put Houston in instead but that's me.

I've come up with a decent scenario for Big 12 dissolution and realignment. The only problem is, I keep coming up 1 vote short in the Big 12. The conference needs 6 votes to dissolve, thus making GOR irrelevant. This scenario gets 5 votes. Relatively realistic in regards to academics.

B1G gets Kansas and Missouri. No GOR for Missouri, and kansas is 1 vote to dissolve.

ACC gets Texas in any scenario (ND or full). 2nd vote to dissolve.

SEC get Oklahoma, Okie State, and West Virginia. 3 more votes to dissolve.

This scenario puts B1G, ACC, and SEC at 16 teams. Perhaps one of the conferences would make a offer for all sports except football? Get that crucial final vote to dissolve.

If you want the Big 10 then leave. But Missouri is under a GOR, just not to the SEC, but rather to ESPN. So, they might let you transfer out. But if you left the SEC wouldn't be swapping you for 3 schools with less viewers than you have. Forget West Virginia. The focus of the SEC administration is academic adds that bring markets and branding. W.V.U. won't get in. Oklahoma State gets in if the only brand we can land is OU and there is nobody better to come along with the Sooners.

It takes 8 votes (3/4's of the membership) to get dissolution. It is in the Big 12 bylaws. 6 schools leaving could void the television contract which might have the same net affect upon the outcome, but that's debatable because the conference would have 1 year from the NCAA to grow back to 8, preferably 10 schools. If they did and kept their conference status, and their name, then all GOR's would be payable.

Uh...SEC has no GOR. Missouri, and any other SEC school certainly don't have a GOR with ESPN. The conference does. GOR's are what ties a school to a conference...and thus the TV contract. But individual schools in the SEC can leave without repercussions.

Academic focus in the SEC would be ideal, but there aren't many options for that in a Big 12 implosion scenario. The same 3 that make the decisions in the conference.

Grant of Rights are for TV contracts and money.
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RE: Okay, So What Happens Next? Permutations for Big 12 & ACC with Discussion:
(09-03-2015 10:44 AM)5thTiger Wrote:  
(09-02-2015 04:28 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(09-02-2015 10:11 AM)5thTiger Wrote:  
(09-02-2015 02:08 AM)Transic_nyc Wrote:  A columnist in Houston put out an interesting scenario that gets to 4*16. Difference here from other scenarios is while certain G5 programs move up not all P5 programs are accounted for.

[Image: wPK88AT.jpg]

Site: http://www.houstonpress.com/news/what-wo...ke-7720855

To me, the big points are:

- SEC gets into the last two true Southern states and two flagship AAU schools, which should satisfy the criteria Sankey gave at a recent press conference.

- ACC, in turn, solidifies its presence on the Atlantic coast and goes further into new territory, while sealing off New England from competitors. If they pull in the Domers then that already enhances the football product enough to keep the rest of the conference in place. The ACC still would have the greatest number of people in its footprint. If they're smart the SEC/ACC start up a joint academic consortium to best utilize the resources of the high-class private schools and the flagship schools. Basketball would still be solid even without UNC and UVA.

- Most intriguing but also problematic is the Texas 4 to the PAC. Perhaps the PAC would hold its nose and accept it as long as UT is included but would Oklahoma accept not playing both Bedlam and Red River in conference? Then the barrier the private schools have in winning admission to the PAC. I would drop Baylor and put Houston in instead but that's me.

I've come up with a decent scenario for Big 12 dissolution and realignment. The only problem is, I keep coming up 1 vote short in the Big 12. The conference needs 6 votes to dissolve, thus making GOR irrelevant. This scenario gets 5 votes. Relatively realistic in regards to academics.

B1G gets Kansas and Missouri. No GOR for Missouri, and kansas is 1 vote to dissolve.

ACC gets Texas in any scenario (ND or full). 2nd vote to dissolve.

SEC get Oklahoma, Okie State, and West Virginia. 3 more votes to dissolve.

This scenario puts B1G, ACC, and SEC at 16 teams. Perhaps one of the conferences would make a offer for all sports except football? Get that crucial final vote to dissolve.

If you want the Big 10 then leave. But Missouri is under a GOR, just not to the SEC, but rather to ESPN. So, they might let you transfer out. But if you left the SEC wouldn't be swapping you for 3 schools with less viewers than you have. Forget West Virginia. The focus of the SEC administration is academic adds that bring markets and branding. W.V.U. won't get in. Oklahoma State gets in if the only brand we can land is OU and there is nobody better to come along with the Sooners.

It takes 8 votes (3/4's of the membership) to get dissolution. It is in the Big 12 bylaws. 6 schools leaving could void the television contract which might have the same net affect upon the outcome, but that's debatable because the conference would have 1 year from the NCAA to grow back to 8, preferably 10 schools. If they did and kept their conference status, and their name, then all GOR's would be payable.

Uh...SEC has no GOR. Missouri, and any other SEC school certainly don't have a GOR with ESPN. The conference does. GOR's are what ties a school to a conference...and thus the TV contract. But individual schools in the SEC can leave without repercussions.

Academic focus in the SEC would be ideal, but there aren't many options for that in a Big 12 implosion scenario. The same 3 that make the decisions in the conference.

Grant of Rights are for TV contracts and money.

How's that reading comprehension. I didn't say that Missouri had one with the SEC. Missouri is part of the Conference and thereby is under a GOR with ESPN. What the SEC doesn't have is exit fees. Missouri can leave at anytime without an exit fee. However if their departure damages the conferences carriage rate with ESPN damages could be in order via that conference GOR.

In a Big 12 implosion scenario there is Kansas, Iowa State and Texas all as AAU, and Oklahoma as a major brand with decent academics.

W.V.U. applied last time. We didn't even go to a vote on them. They lacked the requisite number of sports, needed major upgrades in facilities, and served alcohol at their campus venues. Add that to their academics and the were a non starter. We sent them a prospectus on what they would need to do before we consider their application.
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(09-02-2015 02:08 AM)Transic_nyc Wrote:  A columnist in Houston put out an interesting scenario that gets to 4*16. Difference here from other scenarios is while certain G5 programs move up not all P5 programs are accounted for.

[Image: wPK88AT.jpg]

Site: http://www.houstonpress.com/news/what-wo...ke-7720855

To me, the big points are:

- SEC gets into the last two true Southern states and two flagship AAU schools, which should satisfy the criteria Sankey gave at a recent press conference.

- ACC, in turn, solidifies its presence on the Atlantic coast and goes further into new territory, while sealing off New England from competitors. If they pull in the Domers then that already enhances the football product enough to keep the rest of the conference in place. The ACC still would have the greatest number of people in its footprint. If they're smart the SEC/ACC start up a joint academic consortium to best utilize the resources of the high-class private schools and the flagship schools. Basketball would still be solid even without UNC and UVA.

- Most intriguing but also problematic is the Texas 4 to the PAC. Perhaps the PAC would hold its nose and accept it as long as UT is included but would Oklahoma accept not playing both Bedlam and Red River in conference? Then the barrier the private schools have in winning admission to the PAC. I would drop Baylor and put Houston in instead but that's me.

It's obvious that this joker doesn't know his rear end from a hole in the ground, why? Without Carolina, there wouldn't be an ACC. The Heels are the linchpin of the conference.
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(09-03-2015 01:02 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(09-03-2015 10:44 AM)5thTiger Wrote:  
(09-02-2015 04:28 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(09-02-2015 10:11 AM)5thTiger Wrote:  
(09-02-2015 02:08 AM)Transic_nyc Wrote:  A columnist in Houston put out an interesting scenario that gets to 4*16. Difference here from other scenarios is while certain G5 programs move up not all P5 programs are accounted for.

[Image: wPK88AT.jpg]

Site: http://www.houstonpress.com/news/what-wo...ke-7720855

To me, the big points are:

- SEC gets into the last two true Southern states and two flagship AAU schools, which should satisfy the criteria Sankey gave at a recent press conference.

- ACC, in turn, solidifies its presence on the Atlantic coast and goes further into new territory, while sealing off New England from competitors. If they pull in the Domers then that already enhances the football product enough to keep the rest of the conference in place. The ACC still would have the greatest number of people in its footprint. If they're smart the SEC/ACC start up a joint academic consortium to best utilize the resources of the high-class private schools and the flagship schools. Basketball would still be solid even without UNC and UVA.

- Most intriguing but also problematic is the Texas 4 to the PAC. Perhaps the PAC would hold its nose and accept it as long as UT is included but would Oklahoma accept not playing both Bedlam and Red River in conference? Then the barrier the private schools have in winning admission to the PAC. I would drop Baylor and put Houston in instead but that's me.

I've come up with a decent scenario for Big 12 dissolution and realignment. The only problem is, I keep coming up 1 vote short in the Big 12. The conference needs 6 votes to dissolve, thus making GOR irrelevant. This scenario gets 5 votes. Relatively realistic in regards to academics.

B1G gets Kansas and Missouri. No GOR for Missouri, and kansas is 1 vote to dissolve.

ACC gets Texas in any scenario (ND or full). 2nd vote to dissolve.

SEC get Oklahoma, Okie State, and West Virginia. 3 more votes to dissolve.

This scenario puts B1G, ACC, and SEC at 16 teams. Perhaps one of the conferences would make a offer for all sports except football? Get that crucial final vote to dissolve.

If you want the Big 10 then leave. But Missouri is under a GOR, just not to the SEC, but rather to ESPN. So, they might let you transfer out. But if you left the SEC wouldn't be swapping you for 3 schools with less viewers than you have. Forget West Virginia. The focus of the SEC administration is academic adds that bring markets and branding. W.V.U. won't get in. Oklahoma State gets in if the only brand we can land is OU and there is nobody better to come along with the Sooners.

It takes 8 votes (3/4's of the membership) to get dissolution. It is in the Big 12 bylaws. 6 schools leaving could void the television contract which might have the same net affect upon the outcome, but that's debatable because the conference would have 1 year from the NCAA to grow back to 8, preferably 10 schools. If they did and kept their conference status, and their name, then all GOR's would be payable.

Uh...SEC has no GOR. Missouri, and any other SEC school certainly don't have a GOR with ESPN. The conference does. GOR's are what ties a school to a conference...and thus the TV contract. But individual schools in the SEC can leave without repercussions.

Academic focus in the SEC would be ideal, but there aren't many options for that in a Big 12 implosion scenario. The same 3 that make the decisions in the conference.

Grant of Rights are for TV contracts and money.

How's that reading comprehension. I didn't say that Missouri had one with the SEC. Missouri is part of the Conference and thereby is under a GOR with ESPN. What the SEC doesn't have is exit fees. Missouri can leave at anytime without an exit fee. However if their departure damages the conferences carriage rate with ESPN damages could be in order via that conference GOR.

In a Big 12 implosion scenario there is Kansas, Iowa State and Texas all as AAU, and Oklahoma as a major brand with decent academics.

W.V.U. applied last time. We didn't even go to a vote on them. They lacked the requisite number of sports, needed major upgrades in facilities, and served alcohol at their campus venues. Add that to their academics and the were a non starter. We sent them a prospectus on what they would need to do before we consider their application.

If Missouri left the SEC for the B1G, why would they care about the SEC's deal with ESPN? That isn't a GOR btw. As far as what WV would need to do to be admitted into the SEC, who knows? There isn't really a "how to" or anything like that.

SEC would love better academic institutions, of course. But I don't think it is much of a hindrance to any schools admission. Other factors might, for sure, like population, etc....but the SEC is the least concerned with academics of the remaining P4.
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(09-03-2015 02:50 PM)5thTiger Wrote:  
(09-03-2015 01:02 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(09-03-2015 10:44 AM)5thTiger Wrote:  
(09-02-2015 04:28 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(09-02-2015 10:11 AM)5thTiger Wrote:  I've come up with a decent scenario for Big 12 dissolution and realignment. The only problem is, I keep coming up 1 vote short in the Big 12. The conference needs 6 votes to dissolve, thus making GOR irrelevant. This scenario gets 5 votes. Relatively realistic in regards to academics.

B1G gets Kansas and Missouri. No GOR for Missouri, and kansas is 1 vote to dissolve.

ACC gets Texas in any scenario (ND or full). 2nd vote to dissolve.

SEC get Oklahoma, Okie State, and West Virginia. 3 more votes to dissolve.

This scenario puts B1G, ACC, and SEC at 16 teams. Perhaps one of the conferences would make a offer for all sports except football? Get that crucial final vote to dissolve.

If you want the Big 10 then leave. But Missouri is under a GOR, just not to the SEC, but rather to ESPN. So, they might let you transfer out. But if you left the SEC wouldn't be swapping you for 3 schools with less viewers than you have. Forget West Virginia. The focus of the SEC administration is academic adds that bring markets and branding. W.V.U. won't get in. Oklahoma State gets in if the only brand we can land is OU and there is nobody better to come along with the Sooners.

It takes 8 votes (3/4's of the membership) to get dissolution. It is in the Big 12 bylaws. 6 schools leaving could void the television contract which might have the same net affect upon the outcome, but that's debatable because the conference would have 1 year from the NCAA to grow back to 8, preferably 10 schools. If they did and kept their conference status, and their name, then all GOR's would be payable.

Uh...SEC has no GOR. Missouri, and any other SEC school certainly don't have a GOR with ESPN. The conference does. GOR's are what ties a school to a conference...and thus the TV contract. But individual schools in the SEC can leave without repercussions.

Academic focus in the SEC would be ideal, but there aren't many options for that in a Big 12 implosion scenario. The same 3 that make the decisions in the conference.

Grant of Rights are for TV contracts and money.

How's that reading comprehension. I didn't say that Missouri had one with the SEC. Missouri is part of the Conference and thereby is under a GOR with ESPN. What the SEC doesn't have is exit fees. Missouri can leave at anytime without an exit fee. However if their departure damages the conferences carriage rate with ESPN damages could be in order via that conference GOR.

In a Big 12 implosion scenario there is Kansas, Iowa State and Texas all as AAU, and Oklahoma as a major brand with decent academics.

W.V.U. applied last time. We didn't even go to a vote on them. They lacked the requisite number of sports, needed major upgrades in facilities, and served alcohol at their campus venues. Add that to their academics and the were a non starter. We sent them a prospectus on what they would need to do before we consider their application.

If Missouri left the SEC for the B1G, why would they care about the SEC's deal with ESPN? That isn't a GOR btw. As far as what WV would need to do to be admitted into the SEC, who knows? There isn't really a "how to" or anything like that.

SEC would love better academic institutions, of course. But I don't think it is much of a hindrance to any schools admission. Other factors might, for sure, like population, etc....but the SEC is the least concerned with academics of the remaining P4.

1. Sankey stated his objectives not more than a month ago. Solid Academic additions were priority #1.
2. The last round of realignment was indicative of our bent.
3. What WVU needed to do for admittance to the SEC was documented and sent to them.
4. You're wrong about being the least concerned about academics as the Big 12 proves that to be otherwise. They did take WVU.
5. It's the ambivalence of some of the Missouri fan base that keeps them at arms length for most SEC fans. But you are in the minority of Mizzou fans from what I've been able to perceive.
6. The details on the ESPN contract haven't been released. So unless you were in the Missouri President's entourage (or were really close to someone who was) you wouldn't have access to that information.
7. I'm beginning to believe that you are here to troll.
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RE: Okay, So What Happens Next? Permutations for Big 12 & ACC with Discussion:
(09-03-2015 04:05 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(09-03-2015 02:50 PM)5thTiger Wrote:  
(09-03-2015 01:02 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(09-03-2015 10:44 AM)5thTiger Wrote:  
(09-02-2015 04:28 PM)JRsec Wrote:  If you want the Big 10 then leave. But Missouri is under a GOR, just not to the SEC, but rather to ESPN. So, they might let you transfer out. But if you left the SEC wouldn't be swapping you for 3 schools with less viewers than you have. Forget West Virginia. The focus of the SEC administration is academic adds that bring markets and branding. W.V.U. won't get in. Oklahoma State gets in if the only brand we can land is OU and there is nobody better to come along with the Sooners.

It takes 8 votes (3/4's of the membership) to get dissolution. It is in the Big 12 bylaws. 6 schools leaving could void the television contract which might have the same net affect upon the outcome, but that's debatable because the conference would have 1 year from the NCAA to grow back to 8, preferably 10 schools. If they did and kept their conference status, and their name, then all GOR's would be payable.

Uh...SEC has no GOR. Missouri, and any other SEC school certainly don't have a GOR with ESPN. The conference does. GOR's are what ties a school to a conference...and thus the TV contract. But individual schools in the SEC can leave without repercussions.

Academic focus in the SEC would be ideal, but there aren't many options for that in a Big 12 implosion scenario. The same 3 that make the decisions in the conference.

Grant of Rights are for TV contracts and money.

How's that reading comprehension. I didn't say that Missouri had one with the SEC. Missouri is part of the Conference and thereby is under a GOR with ESPN. What the SEC doesn't have is exit fees. Missouri can leave at anytime without an exit fee. However if their departure damages the conferences carriage rate with ESPN damages could be in order via that conference GOR.

In a Big 12 implosion scenario there is Kansas, Iowa State and Texas all as AAU, and Oklahoma as a major brand with decent academics.

W.V.U. applied last time. We didn't even go to a vote on them. They lacked the requisite number of sports, needed major upgrades in facilities, and served alcohol at their campus venues. Add that to their academics and the were a non starter. We sent them a prospectus on what they would need to do before we consider their application.

If Missouri left the SEC for the B1G, why would they care about the SEC's deal with ESPN? That isn't a GOR btw. As far as what WV would need to do to be admitted into the SEC, who knows? There isn't really a "how to" or anything like that.

SEC would love better academic institutions, of course. But I don't think it is much of a hindrance to any schools admission. Other factors might, for sure, like population, etc....but the SEC is the least concerned with academics of the remaining P4.

1. Sankey stated his objectives not more than a month ago. Solid Academic additions were priority #1.
2. The last round of realignment was indicative of our bent.
3. What WVU needed to do for admittance to the SEC was documented and sent to them.
4. You're wrong about being the least concerned about academics as the Big 12 proves that to be otherwise. They did take WVU.
5. It's the ambivalence of some of the Missouri fan base that keeps them at arms length for most SEC fans. But you are in the minority of Mizzou fans from what I've been able to perceive.
6. The details on the ESPN contract haven't been released. So unless you were in the Missouri President's entourage (or were really close to someone who was) you wouldn't have access to that information.
7. I'm beginning to believe that you are here to troll.

1. I mean, of course, if they are available. But if Texas and kansas are already gone...and the ACC is unpoachable, who else is left?
2. Not sure what you mean by that. Realignment is dependent on who is available.
3. I seriously doubt that.
4. In the scenario that I used (Big12 implosion), I meant of the remaining P4. Can't deny that.
5. I am of a different opinion than alot of folks. But, I also think it is the iphone effect. People don't know what they want until they have it. All the fan base knows collectively is that we wanted out of the Big 12. Of course a lot of folks are enamored with the SEC, its only natural. I'm looking less at feelings, and more towards the actual university.
6. It is safe to say that ESPN does not hold Missouri's TV rights explicitly. They may hold them as a member of the SEC, but not explicitly. If Missouri were to leave the SEC, they wouldn't be tied to ESPN. I feel pretty confident in that statement.
7. No troll. Just a Missouri fan who thinks the B1G would have been a better option and fit.
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