(11-03-2014 08:52 AM)FlyHawk98 Wrote:  Keep the haters coming. Just makes me realize how jealous all of you truly are.

Our AD has said he will accept a 1-1 with ANYONE. We can only play the teams who are willing to play us.

What is there to be jealous of? Marshall is a mediocre program playing a high school schedule.

(11-03-2014 09:43 AM)WEARE Wrote:  Boise lost to Air Force by 14. Air Force is not a bad team, but they lost to Wyoming. Marshall has not lost to teams with these rankings. You are arguing that despite your competition beating similarly ranked teams you couldn't beat, you deserve a higher ranking for strength of schedule. Marshall has a strength of schedule problem, but they are not losing to teams on that schedule.

Air Force would be undefeated with Marshall's schedule.

Marshall may or may not deserve the access bowl if they go undefeated; however, the one lesson that will resonate very loudly if they do get it is that soft schedules get rewarded. Hard to imagine that the committee would want to send that message out but if they do then the rest of us should start scheduling Little Sisters of The Poor U.

(11-03-2014 09:09 AM)All Dukes_All Day Wrote:  

(11-03-2014 09:06 AM)bearcatlawjd Wrote:  Marshall's schedule is almost an automatic disqualification. The one thing that could save Marshall and also eliminate them is the C-USA championship game. If La Tech is 9-3 that might provide the quality win needed if the American's champion has 3 three loss and the Mountain West is still a mess. On thing helping Marshall is that their brand name is better than just about everyone else in C-USA. If Western Kentucky, FIU, or FAU played's Marshall's schedule and was undefeated they wouldn't even be getting a look at this point.

Marshall is also blowing everyone out. A little hiccup against FAU might hurt them, but if they rebound and win the remaining games by 25+ on average, I think they get it.

People seem to forget they were saying the same thing about Boise and TCU at certain points in the last decade.

TCU and Boise played real teams, not a high school schedule.

Quote:Is that still true?? I'm not so sure anymore at this point in the season.

VS other G5s. It's moot to call it in conference-season, because all those Ws-Ls even out. It's other G5s. The only thing that's changed over the last many weeks is conference play -- so the G5 vs G5 hasn't changed.

Mountain West, IMO, is better than CUSA. Is AAC better than the MW? At least one division of it -- but both -- there's a legit argument. Anyway, my point was that CUSA isn't a high school conference. If they were, they'd have a poor G5 vs G5 record, not the best -- even with lucky matchups.

Quote:Marshall is a mediocre program playing a high school schedule.

Marshall is a Good program (10-4 last year) -- undefeated winning by a big margin against a weak SoS. The big margin helps make up for SoS in most computations and (unbiased) human observations, but true, it can't resolve it all of course. A 1-loss team to a power P5 in a close game, with a couple notable wins over power G5 or lower-tier P5, while Marshall does not have either -- should put them above Marshall without any bickering. But there is no team like that -- except CSU losing to a power G5 in a barn-burner (Boise), but beating a sound/sturdy P5 and low-end P5 -- but they probably can't win the conference, hence, can't go.

In most years, an undefeated Marshall with THIS schedule would not get it. In almost all years, Marshall's not going to have such a weak SoS either. They're lucking out. Much the same way CSU could be stomping the rest of their teams by 50, BC could be set for 2nd place in their ACC division with CSU beating them, but they can't go because they lost to Boise (Boise's big win of season) and can't go to MWC.

With Fresno rebuilding, NIU losing their two big stars, Boise having a new coach and adjusting, UCF adjusting in an unpredictable way, and even BYU (who's not a full G5 member) with their injured QB -- it's an off-year for the G5 to have stand-outs. So, a previous 10-4 Marshall who has their power P5 team leave last minute, thus a weak schedule being pretty weak, going undefeated with a big margin of victory almost every game is going to beat out 2-loss G5s for the "G5 Title".

I'd be hard-pressed to say that an UNDEFEATED G5 team, 100% undefeated by big margins of victory, shouldn't go to the BCS Bowl and to instead allow a 2-loss G5 team to go represent the G5 because they had a tougher SoS. One mine as well say they should allow a 8-4 P5 team with a solidly tougher SoS over a 2-loss MW Champ into that Access Bowl.

(11-03-2014 11:29 AM)RockyMTNTiger Wrote:  Marshall may or may not deserve the access bowl if they go undefeated; however, the one lesson that will resonate very loudly if they do get it is that soft schedules get rewarded. Hard to imagine that the committee would want to send that message out but if they do then the rest of us should start scheduling Little Sisters of The Poor U.

I think the committee is going to be reluctant to, but I think the point was sent with ranking ECU and not Marshall last week. They'd have sent a one loss champion with a stronger schedule in (which Colorado State could still end up with if Boise State losses). I'm not sure they'll do the same for the 2 loss+ teams though.

If Marshall wins out, they deserve the Access Bowl slot.

(11-03-2014 11:45 AM)Big Frog II Wrote:  If Marshall wins out, they deserve the Access Bowl slot.

I agree.

Yes, it will really frost Little Mike and the AAC fans if Marshall or CSU gets that spot. "Power 6" my a**.

(11-03-2014 11:23 AM)BoiseStateOfMind Wrote:  

(11-03-2014 09:43 AM)WEARE Wrote:  Boise lost to Air Force by 14. Air Force is not a bad team, but they lost to Wyoming. Marshall has not lost to teams with these rankings. You are arguing that despite your competition beating similarly ranked teams you couldn't beat, you deserve a higher ranking for strength of schedule. Marshall has a strength of schedule problem, but they are not losing to teams on that schedule.

Air Force would be undefeated with Marshall's schedule.

Except, they aren't. The loss to Wyoming is plainly obvious.

I really think the committee is going to do everything they can NOT to take Marshall. But if Boise and CSU lose another game(or Boise wins division but loses to west champ in title game)- I just don't think they're going to have a choice.....

(11-03-2014 12:14 PM)westwolf Wrote:  Yes, it will really frost Little Mike and the AAC fans if Marshall or CSU gets that spot. "Power 6" my a**.

Won't frost my butt and I am an AAC fan; however, there are probably 4-5 teams in the AAC that could be undefeated with Marshall's schedule.

(11-03-2014 12:30 PM)stever20 Wrote:  I really think the committee is going to do everything they can NOT to take Marshall. But if Boise and CSU lose another game(or Boise wins division but loses to west champ in title game)- I just don't think they're going to have a choice.....

Oh, they have a choice. That's what this whole damn committee thing is all about.

(11-03-2014 12:32 PM)Tigeer Wrote:  

(11-03-2014 12:30 PM)stever20 Wrote:  I really think the committee is going to do everything they can NOT to take Marshall. But if Boise and CSU lose another game(or Boise wins division but loses to west champ in title game)- I just don't think they're going to have a choice.....

Oh, they have a choice. That's what this whole damn committee thing is all about.

If it comes down to a 9-3 Memphis, 13-0 Marshall, 11-2 NIU, 10-3 Nevada, or a 9-3 La-Lafayette- they just won't have a choice. The thing is a 11-2 Boise kind of gives them a choice.

(11-03-2014 12:31 PM)Tigeer Wrote:  

(11-03-2014 12:14 PM)westwolf Wrote:  Yes, it will really frost Little Mike and the AAC fans if Marshall or CSU gets that spot. "Power 6" my a**.

Won't frost my butt and I am an ACC fan; however, there are probably 4-5 teams in the AAC that could be undefeated with Marshall's schedule.

Again, did four or five teams beat similiarily ranked competition by the same MOV? It's just getting sad and repetitive now.

Guys, I really don't think AAC fans are jealous of Marshall. That's a bit of a ridiculous assumption to make. I have all the respect in the world for Marshall as a football program. They have had a lot of success over the years. And that's great they are willing to accept a 1+1 with any school. But guess what? They're in a G5 conference. You're going to have to take some buy games in order to play P5 teams. Cincinnati was in a BCS conference for 8 years and went to 2 BCS bowl games. In 2009, we were a Big 12 championship game nail-biter away from being in the BCS championship game. Guess what? Ohio State still won't come play us in Cincinnati. So we are playing 2 games in Columbus.

I do think there is a good chance Marshall is the best of the G5 teams. But I also think they aren't the only G5 school that could go undefeated against their joke of a schedule. If Marshall gets the access bowl with their schedule, why did my team bother to play OSU and Miami this year? We might as well drop all our future dates with OSU, Miami, Michigan, Nebraska, Boise State, BYU, Purdue and Indiana and replace them all with MAC, Sun Belt, and FCS schools.

(11-03-2014 12:51 PM)WEARE Wrote:  

(11-03-2014 12:31 PM)Tigeer Wrote:  

(11-03-2014 12:14 PM)westwolf Wrote:  Yes, it will really frost Little Mike and the AAC fans if Marshall or CSU gets that spot. "Power 6" my a**.

Won't frost my butt and I am an ACC fan; however, there are probably 4-5 teams in the AAC that could be undefeated with Marshall's schedule.

Again, did four or five teams beat similiarily ranked competition by the same MOV? It's just getting sad and repetitive now.

What's MOV and I meant AAC fan; I actually can't stand the ACC. I am pulling for Marshall to go undefeated BTW. Lot's of good old friends in the Huntington area.

To me, I think CSU is the most 'deserving' for the spot as of now. Considering good wins, bad losses, and overall SOS, I see the current order as follows:

1) Colorado St
2) Marshall
3) Boise
4) ECU
5) Memphis
6) Nevada
7) Cincinnati
8) UCF
9) NIU
10) Georgia Southern

So considering Colorado St is currently on pace to be ineligible, it has to go to Marshall as of right now. Any single loss going forward knocks a team off the list. Obviously not winning the conference knocks you off the list as well. This includes Marshall. They can't afford to not be 12-0. I believe a 3 loss team would go ahead of a 1 loss Marshall.

the answer is nobody beat simiarly ranked competition because nobody played similarly ranked competition. You can not compare #55 SOS to #125 SOS. That isn't similarly ranked competition.

(11-03-2014 08:34 AM)WEARE Wrote:  

(11-03-2014 08:12 AM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  The problem is if the other G5 schools scheduled like Marshall a lot of those teams may be undefeated as well.

Actually, no. Each team Marshall might be considered over has lost to a G5. If they could go undefeated as well, they wouldn't have lost to similar competition. Like Marshall, they should win with over a 30 point margin of victory.

Those teams you speak of aren't in Conference USA. AAC, Mountain West are better conferences.