(11-04-2014 02:23 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(11-04-2014 02:17 PM)Louisiana99 Wrote:  

(11-04-2014 02:14 PM)FLEagle Wrote:  

(11-04-2014 02:09 PM)Louisiana99 Wrote:  

(11-04-2014 02:01 PM)FLEagle Wrote:  Entitled fans? Coming from the team that wants everyone to call them Louisiana even though they aren't the flagship of the state? Do we call that entitlement as well?

The butthurt of ULL fans is getting kind of sad to watch.

Coming from the guy who's message board alias suggest georgia southern is the flagship of georgia when they aren't.

Really? That's the best you can come up with? I'd love you hear your well reasoned explanation of how that even makes sense.

If I stated that I was a fan of Georgia University, I could see your reasoning, because that would be, in essence, what ULL is doing.

The FL in your name obviously stands for flagship. Don't even bother telling me it isn't because I don't believe you.

Uhh....Florida Eagle perhaps?

It would help if he proposed Kennesaw State for membership, than everyone would know what the FL Stood for.

DING DING DING

but let's all assume that he's (or she's) really not that dense and that this was just a failed attempt at being witty

(11-04-2014 12:41 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  It's hard to blame GS fans entirely, conditioned as they are, playing what is likely one of the worst conference slates in Sun Belt history has only fed that fire.

(11-04-2014 02:12 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(11-04-2014 01:54 PM)bullitt_60 Wrote:  

(11-04-2014 01:51 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(11-04-2014 01:40 PM)bullitt_60 Wrote:  

(11-04-2014 01:12 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  My excuse for what?

Exactly.

~30 minutes to come up with that?

Speak up or keep it to yourself, son.

I have a job. And don't call me son, I'm pretty sure I'm older than you.

So what exactly do we need to be blamed for? Others envy?

Speak clearly and concisely like a man and I'll speak to you like one. The collective mentality of the GS fanbase(whether perceived or reality) was being discussed. You simply countered with "so what's your excuse?" with no indication whatsoever what you're implying, or whether you were even talking about me personally or my collective fan base(as was the case with your collective fan base) and when I ask you for clarification rather than doing so, you get more vague.

Let's quote your original post so this discussion has context.

My point was clear and extremely concise. You chose not to think about it, so I spelled it out for you. You still haven't answered the question - What is to be blamed? Do you believe we support our program too much? Not enough?

(11-04-2014 02:37 PM)bullitt_60 Wrote:  

(11-04-2014 12:41 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  It's hard to blame GS fans entirely, conditioned as they are, playing what is likely one of the worst conference slates in Sun Belt history has only fed that fire.

(11-04-2014 02:12 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(11-04-2014 01:54 PM)bullitt_60 Wrote:  

(11-04-2014 01:51 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(11-04-2014 01:40 PM)bullitt_60 Wrote:  Exactly.

~30 minutes to come up with that?

Speak up or keep it to yourself, son.

I have a job. And don't call me son, I'm pretty sure I'm older than you.

So what exactly do we need to be blamed for? Others envy?

Speak clearly and concisely like a man and I'll speak to you like one. The collective mentality of the GS fanbase(whether perceived or reality) was being discussed. You simply countered with "so what's your excuse?" with no indication whatsoever what you're implying, or whether you were even talking about me personally or my collective fan base(as was the case with your collective fan base) and when I ask you for clarification rather than doing so, you get more vague.

Let's quote your original post so this discussion has context.

My point was clear and extremely concise. You chose not to think about it, so I spelled it out for you. You still haven't answered the question - What is to be blamed? Do you believe we support our program too much? Not enough?

Come on, you know we're supposed to keep our mouths shut and bow down to the almighty Sun Belt.

(11-04-2014 02:37 PM)bullitt_60 Wrote:  

(11-04-2014 12:41 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  It's hard to blame GS fans entirely, conditioned as they are, playing what is likely one of the worst conference slates in Sun Belt history has only fed that fire.

(11-04-2014 02:12 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(11-04-2014 01:54 PM)bullitt_60 Wrote:  

(11-04-2014 01:51 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(11-04-2014 01:40 PM)bullitt_60 Wrote:  Exactly.

~30 minutes to come up with that?

Speak up or keep it to yourself, son.

I have a job. And don't call me son, I'm pretty sure I'm older than you.

So what exactly do we need to be blamed for? Others envy?

Speak clearly and concisely like a man and I'll speak to you like one. The collective mentality of the GS fanbase(whether perceived or reality) was being discussed. You simply countered with "so what's your excuse?" with no indication whatsoever what you're implying, or whether you were even talking about me personally or my collective fan base(as was the case with your collective fan base) and when I ask you for clarification rather than doing so, you get more vague.

Let's quote your original post so this discussion has context.

My point was clear and extremely concise. You chose not to think about it, so I spelled it out for you. You still haven't answered the question - What is to be blamed? Do you believe we support our program too much? Not enough?

You still haven't told me what it is I need an excuse for.

(11-04-2014 02:40 PM)FLEagle Wrote:  

(11-04-2014 02:37 PM)bullitt_60 Wrote:  

(11-04-2014 12:41 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  It's hard to blame GS fans entirely, conditioned as they are, playing what is likely one of the worst conference slates in Sun Belt history has only fed that fire.

(11-04-2014 02:12 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(11-04-2014 01:54 PM)bullitt_60 Wrote:  

(11-04-2014 01:51 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  ~30 minutes to come up with that?

Speak up or keep it to yourself, son.

I have a job. And don't call me son, I'm pretty sure I'm older than you.

So what exactly do we need to be blamed for? Others envy?

Speak clearly and concisely like a man and I'll speak to you like one. The collective mentality of the GS fanbase(whether perceived or reality) was being discussed. You simply countered with "so what's your excuse?" with no indication whatsoever what you're implying, or whether you were even talking about me personally or my collective fan base(as was the case with your collective fan base) and when I ask you for clarification rather than doing so, you get more vague.

Let's quote your original post so this discussion has context.

My point was clear and extremely concise. You chose not to think about it, so I spelled it out for you. You still haven't answered the question - What is to be blamed? Do you believe we support our program too much? Not enough?

Come on, you know we're supposed to keep our mouths shut and bow down to the almighty Sun Belt.

Pretty much the opposite of the point I was making.

(11-04-2014 02:28 PM)FLEagle Wrote:  

(11-04-2014 02:23 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(11-04-2014 02:17 PM)Louisiana99 Wrote:  

(11-04-2014 02:14 PM)FLEagle Wrote:  

(11-04-2014 02:09 PM)Louisiana99 Wrote:  Coming from the guy who's message board alias suggest georgia southern is the flagship of georgia when they aren't.

Really? That's the best you can come up with? I'd love you hear your well reasoned explanation of how that even makes sense.

If I stated that I was a fan of Georgia University, I could see your reasoning, because that would be, in essence, what ULL is doing.

The FL in your name obviously stands for flagship. Don't even bother telling me it isn't because I don't believe you.

Uhh....Florida Eagle perhaps?

It would help if he proposed Kennesaw State for membership, than everyone would know what the FL Stood for.

DING DING DING

but let's all assume that he's (or she's) really not that dense and that this was just a failed attempt at being witty

No but just because someone keeps repeating something false doesn't make it true. People choose to ignore examples given that prove we can brand ourselves as Louisiana without claiming flagship. The school in Ruston says this all the time, yet their administration is the only one trying claim flagship, they did it very publicly.

(11-04-2014 02:41 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(11-04-2014 02:37 PM)bullitt_60 Wrote:  

(11-04-2014 12:41 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  It's hard to blame GS fans entirely, conditioned as they are, playing what is likely one of the worst conference slates in Sun Belt history has only fed that fire.

(11-04-2014 02:12 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(11-04-2014 01:54 PM)bullitt_60 Wrote:  

(11-04-2014 01:51 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  ~30 minutes to come up with that?

Speak up or keep it to yourself, son.

I have a job. And don't call me son, I'm pretty sure I'm older than you.

So what exactly do we need to be blamed for? Others envy?

Speak clearly and concisely like a man and I'll speak to you like one. The collective mentality of the GS fanbase(whether perceived or reality) was being discussed. You simply countered with "so what's your excuse?" with no indication whatsoever what you're implying, or whether you were even talking about me personally or my collective fan base(as was the case with your collective fan base) and when I ask you for clarification rather than doing so, you get more vague.

Let's quote your original post so this discussion has context.

My point was clear and extremely concise. You chose not to think about it, so I spelled it out for you. You still haven't answered the question - What is to be blamed? Do you believe we support our program too much? Not enough?

You still haven't told me what it is I need an excuse for.

Let's break it down together:

You said, "It's hard to blame GS fans entirely, conditioned as they are, playing what is likely one of the worst conference slates in Sun Belt history has only fed that fire".

That insinuates there is something we have or are doing wrong and you gave us an excuse. Therefore, I asked you "What's your excuse?" so I could get insight into what you think our fan base is doing wrong. You responded, "Excuse for what?" to which I replied "Exactly", meaning there is nothing to be excused.

You have chosen not to answer which either means you do not know, or you won't say here.

(11-04-2014 02:49 PM)bullitt_60 Wrote:  Let's break it down together:

You said, "It's hard to blame GS fans entirely, conditioned as they are, playing what is likely one of the worst conference slates in Sun Belt history has only fed that fire".

That insinuates there is something we have or are doing wrong and you gave us an excuse. Therefore, I asked you "What's your excuse?" so I could get insight into what you think our fan base is doing wrong. You responded, "Excuse for what?" to which I replied "Exactly", meaning there is nothing to be excused.

You have chosen not to answer which either means you do not know, or you won't say here.

Lemme take a stab at what he's saying.

GaSouthern fans are conditioned to be good, win championships, etc.

The Sun Belt this year is not very good, certainly not as good as it was last year.

GaSouthern (through no fault of their own) is playing a weak slate of Belt opponents within a weak Belt conference this year.

That you've sliced through that schedule like a hot knife through butter encourages your fans to believe that you're good enough to compete at the top year in year out in the Belt.

(11-04-2014 02:49 PM)bullitt_60 Wrote:  Let's break it down together:

You said, "It's hard to blame GS fans entirely, conditioned as they are, playing what is likely one of the worst conference slates in Sun Belt history has only fed that fire".

That insinuates there is something we have or are doing wrong and you gave us an excuse. Therefore, I asked you "What's your excuse?" so I could get insight into what you think our fan base is doing wrong. You responded, "Excuse for what?" to which I replied "Exactly", meaning there is nothing to be excused.

You have chosen not to answer which either means you do not know, or you won't say here.

If you want to get into semantics you really didn't ask what you're claiming you asked, you're claiming you asked for the behavior that needs to be excused but you asked for the excuse, which was given in my original post "...conditioned as they are."

You could have asked what I meant by "conditioned" or could have asked what I was referring to that your conditioning excused, but you simply asked "what's your excuse?" which semantically would mean one of the following:

A) You are guilty of something as well, what is your excuse for that (unspecified)offense.

B) You say it's hard to blame GS fans but you obviously do, so what's your excuse(for doing so)?

C) what excuse are you giving us for our behavior?(which again, was given in my first post)

If you want to "break it down together" you should probably make sure you actually said what you meant.

(11-04-2014 12:59 PM)bullitt_60 Wrote:  

(11-04-2014 12:41 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  It's hard to blame GS fans entirely, conditioned as they are, playing what is likely one of the worst conference slates in Sun Belt history has only fed that fire.

So what's your excuse?

In no way semantically or logically does your response imply "what should we not be blamed for?"

(11-04-2014 01:40 PM)bullitt_60 Wrote:  

(11-04-2014 01:12 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  My excuse for what?

Exactly.

I will give you that your next response was essentially what you claim you were asking all along, but because you phrased your first question completely incorrectly, you didn't give me much hope to follow your intended meaning.

can we just lock this thread already?

(11-04-2014 03:14 PM)NCeagle Wrote:  can we just lock this thread already?

Either lock it or have a mod provide a Rosetta Stone so I can understand it.

I'm done, I'm just tired of people on this board constantly trying to break down our program and/or fan base for no reason other than envy.

People on this board said we wouldn't be able to compete and we have. Now, some are saying we will not have continued success... I wouldn't count on that either. We have something that many programs in the Sun Belt don't have: A tradition of winning.

Guess what else? App has that too and when they get their **** together, which will happen sooner than many think, they will start to kick teeth in too. Their fan base is just as loud and proud as ours, so hang on to your hats.

Anyone thinking GS won't be able to compete for the top spot more often than not is probably fooling themselves. The main question over time is coach retention and stability.

(11-04-2014 03:47 PM)bullitt_60 Wrote:  I'm done, I'm just tired of people on this board constantly trying to break down our program and/or fan base for no reason other than envy.

People on this board said we wouldn't be able to compete and we have. Now, some are saying we will not have continued success... I wouldn't count on that either. We have something that many programs in the Sun Belt don't have: A tradition of winning.

Guess what else? App has that too and when they get their **** together, which will happen sooner than many think, they will start to kick teeth in too. Their fan base is just as loud and proud as ours, so hang on to your hats.

Perfect illustration of what you've been conditioned to believe.

The funny thing is this, I've said on multiple ooccasions that I believe you will be a ssuccessful member of this conference and a successful G5, what you ccan't seem to grasp is that you have it so much harder than you ever have before. Let's assume that stAte and Louisiana stay relatively close to what they are now for the foreseeable future and you're correct about App getting their ducks in a row and the four of you are all interchangeably 1-4 for the next decade and GS takes two outright conference titles and two more shared titles over that period, but you never win more than 9 games and go 3-5 in your eight bowls. And let me just go ahead and acknowledge programs like Texas State, Troy and ULM that just got relegated to fighting for 5th for a decade in that hypothetical scenario.

By just about any current SBC member's standards that would be a pretty solid decade, but from the way you've been conditioned and the way some of your more vocal fans have behaved this year, I do not believe many of you(at least with your 2014 perspective) would be remotely satisfied with that.

How long has your season more or less come down to the App game and maybe Furman? Not the way it will be in the Sun Belt for any extended period.

Appstate will win the bubbas cup from now on simply because we like to waste money on sports that even the athletes who play them don't care about


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(11-04-2014 04:02 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  Perfect illustration of what you've been conditioned to believe.

The funny thing is this, I've said on multiple ooccasions that I believe you will be a ssuccessful member of this conference and a successful G5, what you ccan't seem to grasp is that you have it so much harder than you ever have before. Let's assume that stAte and Louisiana stay relatively close to what they are now for the foreseeable future and you're correct about App getting their ducks in a row and the four of you are all interchangeably 1-4 for the next decade and GS takes two outright conference titles and two more shared titles over that period, but you never win more than 9 games and go 3-5 in your eight bowls. And let me just go ahead and acknowledge programs like Texas State, Troy and ULM that just got relegated to fighting for 5th for a decade in that hypothetical scenario.

By just about any current SBC member's standards that would be a pretty solid decade, but from the way you've been conditioned and the way some of your more vocal fans have behaved this year, I do not believe many of you(at least with your 2014 perspective) would be remotely satisfied with that.

How long has your season more or less come down to the App game and maybe Furman? Not the way it will be in the Sun Belt for any extended period.

I agree with that 100%.

Hopefully in the next 10 years the playoffs will expand to 16

(11-04-2014 04:02 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(11-04-2014 03:47 PM)bullitt_60 Wrote:  I'm done, I'm just tired of people on this board constantly trying to break down our program and/or fan base for no reason other than envy.

People on this board said we wouldn't be able to compete and we have. Now, some are saying we will not have continued success... I wouldn't count on that either. We have something that many programs in the Sun Belt don't have: A tradition of winning.

Guess what else? App has that too and when they get their **** together, which will happen sooner than many think, they will start to kick teeth in too. Their fan base is just as loud and proud as ours, so hang on to your hats.

Perfect illustration of what you've been conditioned to believe.

The funny thing is this, I've said on multiple ooccasions that I believe you will be a ssuccessful member of this conference and a successful G5, what you ccan't seem to grasp is that you have it so much harder than you ever have before. Let's assume that stAte and Louisiana stay relatively close to what they are now for the foreseeable future and you're correct about App getting their ducks in a row and the four of you are all interchangeably 1-4 for the next decade and GS takes two outright conference titles and two more shared titles over that period, but you never win more than 9 games and go 3-5 in your eight bowls. And let me just go ahead and acknowledge programs like Texas State, Troy and ULM that just got relegated to fighting for 5th for a decade in that hypothetical scenario.

By just about any current SBC member's standards that would be a pretty solid decade, but from the way you've been conditioned and the way some of your more vocal fans have behaved this year, I do not believe many of you(at least with your 2014 perspective) would be remotely satisfied with that.

How long has your season more or less come down to the App game and maybe Furman? Not the way it will be in the Sun Belt for any extended period.

First of all, I haven't been conditioned to believe we will be successful, I actually believe it. On the flip side, maybe you have been conditioned to accept mediocrity?

Secondly, although I cannot speak for seasons other than '13-'14, I don't believe the competition in the SBC is much stronger than the former SoCon or CAA. Yeah, I said it. Also, our season rarely stopped at the SoCon but faced tougher opponents each week that would all do well in SBC, CUSA, MAC, etc.

Many of our fans when we were first invited into the SBC understood the "no FCS playoff" rule, but thought the "no Bowl" rule was dumb because we have no real advantage over teams who are already established in the FBS and it's not really fair to the players on the teams who are moving up.

So a good majority of us cared about this long before we'd won 6 games; however, it wasn't until we won 6 games (with the realization that we could win 10) that a student cared enough to try and do something about it.

If this rule was put in place to discourage all of these FCS teams for wanting to move up, then find a way to do it without punishing the players for 2 seasons.

Maybe I'm in the minority, but I'm fine if we don't get a waiver because I knew coming into the season that we wouldn't play in a bowl anyway; however, since I've known about it, I've been for ratifying that rule so as to not punish players who've earned post-season play for 2 seasons. If JMU comes into the SunBelt next season and goes 9-3 and we go 8-4 and they were to get a bowl invite over us I'd say they earned it. (Even though I'm sure I wouldn't be happy, the players deserve it)

EDIT: I think about it this way. It would be like wanting to put your kid in a different classroom because you no longer approve of the teacher, but your kid is punished by being allowed to win awards in class, but is not eligible for any school-wide awards. Doesn't seem like much at first, but then all of the sudden your kid performs better than expected and is eligible to win these amazing school wide awards and you realize how unfair it is for the kid to be punished because you wanted something better for him. Find a way to make the dad pay more money or something, don't punish the kid. That's all.

I'm Locking this thread:

1. Georgia Southern fans are in a sense, conditioned to expect winning. The Sun Belt will not be so easy every year, its a freak year, and it happens.

2. Certain Cajun fans need to learn how to start gloating threads without bashing the conference.